[Article] Why not Cody Franson

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They want want to pay 6 million + for 6 years

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bringing in franson would be like bringing in garrison; overpaying for a piece that isn't actually good enough to be a difference maker.

Garrison 2.0 is EXACTLY what he'd be. And we JUST cap dumped 1.0 last year.

Franson's about the last guy we should be targeting given where we are. Not can we afford the $5m+ he's going to get. Just no.

And people REALLY need to stop describing him as a PMD. He's a big bodied 2 way D with some offense. He's not remotely a PMD.

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I'd be up to getting Franson but only if he's willing to take a big discount to come home

[jovocop55]

Exactly, I just hope that Weber will become BoSang's replacement in Utica rather than a top-4 defenceman here in Vancouver. The Swiss were brutal on our blueline defensively last season, to be honest I'd be perfectly happy if Benning swallowed his pride and traded Sbisa for a pick, then left Weber in Utica.

Bartowski has pretty decent advanced statistics, far better than Sbisa's, and for his price he's the perfect 5th defenceman.

Edler - Tanev

Hamhuis - ?

Bartowski - Clendening

We could slot Weber into that top-4 position and suck terribly all season long, or make a gutsy move and sign Franson for a season. Benning would never do this, but a Sbisa trade for a prospect/pick (Pittsburgh looks like an ideal spot for him, they need a defenceman badly) and signing Franson for a season or two until Corrado and Clendening are truly ready would be what I would do.

agree.. sbisa was the worst signing.. i rather pay franson that kind of $$$ and maybe a bit more than having sbisa.. they signed him just to save face for the kesler trade.. sbisa and weber pretty much cost canucks the series against calgary

[goblix]

We still need a righty so why not.

Edler - Tanev

Hamhuis - ______

Sbisa/Bartkowski - Weber

There is still no need to rush Corrado. Let him keep playing with Utica and getting a lot of minutes.

Clendenning and Corrado both go through waivers before they can go to Utica...

Time to get younger people say, lets tank people say...

Pass on Franson and lets see what we got with Corrado and Clendenning.

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agree.. sbisa was the worst signing.. i rather pay franson that kind of $$$ and maybe a bit more than having sbisa.. they signed him just to save face for the kesler trade.. sbisa and weber pretty much cost canucks the series against calgary

Forwards not scoring cost us against the flames not Weber and Sbisa;

[UFCanuck]

We just got rid of a $5M d-man and now we're going to handcuff ourselves with a new one?

Corrado, Clendening, Weber and Bart are our 5-8 d-men. After that Hutton, Subban, Cedar etc get a shot.

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We just got rid of a $5M d-man and now we're going to handcuff ourselves with a new one?

Corrado, Clendening, Weber and Bart are our 5-8 d-men. After that Hutton, Subban, Cedar etc get a shot.

Don't forget Fedun

[DinoTambo]

I've said this from the beginning of free agency, Franson would fit here PERFECTLY for the following reasons:

1) He's a big framed puck moving defenceman. The Canucks defence last season was one of the lowest scoring defences in the NHL, with Edler the only one putting up over 30 points, and of them, 6 came in the last couple of games against bottom feeders. Essentially, our highest scoring defenceman put up 25-30 points. Pathetic. Franson has had several 40+ point seasons.

Franson has never had a 40pt season.

As or the reason he doesn't fit in with the Canucks right now is if they signed him and didn't trade another dman, they'd lose either Corrado or Clendenning to waivers...their d-core is set..Bartkowski's the 3rd pairing guy to replace Bieksa, and so your 7 & 8th defensemen have to be Frankie and Adam. The day they inked both Weber and Bartkowski, the Franson window closed.

Their only need right now is a depth signing at Centre,...someone to push Vey.

[Pdrizzle]

No point in getting him.

Canucks aren't going to contend for the cup anytime soon. He's just gonna take up more space on our blue line and take some of are young guns ice time

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No point in getting him.

Canucks aren't going to contend for the cup anytime soon. He's just gonna take up more space on our blue line and take some of are young guns ice time

Also Linden said they are pretty much done; so don't expect anything besides maybe a 4th line C acquisition after training camp when they realize no one is good enough for that spot

[tas]

I've said this from the beginning of free agency, Franson would fit here PERFECTLY for the following reasons:

1) He's a big framed puck moving defenceman. The Canucks defence last season was one of the lowest scoring defences in the NHL, with Edler the only one putting up over 30 points, and of them, 6 came in the last couple of games against bottom feeders. Essentially, our highest scoring defenceman put up 25-30 points. Pathetic. Franson has had several 40+ point seasons.

2) Franson's a right handed defenceman. We just traded away Bieksa, leaving a nice hole there on the right side.

3) Franson and Hamhuis would have undeniable chemistry. Both are BC boys, they played in Nashville together, Hamhuis is a shutdown defenceman while Franson is a risky puck mover. They would be a very solid 2nd pairing.

4) Franson is a powerplay specialist, and the Canucks had a woeful powerplay with AHL-defenceman-caliber Weber on the first unit right side.

5) Franson is used to playing in a Candian market, and in fact had far more success in Toronto under pressure than he did in Nashville.

6) He's coming off a pretty terrible stint with Nashville where he clearly didn't fit in and because of their depth, he was playing 3rd pairing minutes and not producing. This is a poor indication of what he'd be like in Vancouver, where he'd receive Toronto-like responsibilities and minutes. The poor production in Nashville gives us some leverige for making a deal.

7) He's still only 28, and no teams have made a solid offer for him yet. We've got some cap space available now and while it may be a bit late (thanks to the Prust deal), we may still be able to offer him 4-5M for a season or two.

Sure, Franson would be asking for a long term, high price deal, but as the days tick by he's getting more and more desperate. Hopefully JB can swindle a 1 or 2 year deal for 4-5M, ideally 1 year. I consider this move to be very similar to the Del Zotto signing a while back where he went to Nashville, bombed out and was desperate for a deal after having success in New York.

Cap-wise, the Canucks have 4.8M in cap space right now with some RFAs caps not counting to it yet. We could ship off Sbisa to free up another 3M to sign Franson which is something I'd do in a blink of an eye. For example, Sbisa to Pittsburgh for a 2nd round pick (they need defence). Sign Franson to a 1 year, 5M deal.

Edler - Tanev

Hamhuis - Franson

Bartowski - Clendening

Weber

Corrado

There's a defence with far more balance already. Franson is a huge upgrade on Weber, Bartowski is better statistically than Sbisa and Clendening will hopefully do better than Bieksa.

yet another addition to your long history of clueless posts.

which cody franson is it with multiple 40+ point seasons?

the only one i know of is an overrated, slow, defensively liable, soon-to-be-massively-overpaid "offensive defenseman" that tops out at 35 points per year.

hes not a puck mover. hes not a guy who can skate the puck out of the zone. he has a big shot, and thats it.

hes not at all what this team needs, especially not at the stage theyre at in their rebuild.

and to think you could get him at $4-5 m per on a 1-2 year deal? jesus. what year are you living in? try $5-6 m per for 4-6 years.

[UFCanuck]

Don't forget Fedun

I doubt Fedun is really in the plans for the NHL other than 1-5 games if we get really banged up.

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I doubt Fedun is really in the plans for the NHL other than 1-5 games if we get really banged up.

He's more in the plan then Hutton, Subban etc as the guy I quoted said.

Fedun will be called up before them

Burgs will likely be the 1st call up at #9

[DownUndaCanuck]

Franson has never had a 40pt season.

As or the reason he doesn't fit in with the Canucks right now is if they signed him and didn't trade another dman, they'd lose either Corrado or Clendenning to waivers...their d-core is set..Bartkowski's the 3rd pairing guy to replace Bieksa, and so your 7 & 8th defensemen have to be Frankie and Adam. The day they inked both Weber and Bartkowski, the Franson window closed.

Their only need right now is a depth signing at Centre,...someone to push Vey.

I meant 40 point pace seasons, which he's had a few of. Even last season, despite a terrible Nashville stint, he scored in the high 30s. We had one defenceman eclipse the 30 point mark last season out of 7 guys. That's rediculous.

Meanwhile the Flames will have two 60 point defencemen next season and a couple of 40 point guys. Hamilton alone may well outscore our entire defence when you consider Edler is a 30 point defenceman at best now, Tanev is no better, Hamhuis couldn't score a goal to save his life last year, Bartowski is goal-less in his entire NHL career and a couple of rookies in Corrado and Clendening are stepping in.

You don't produce from the back end and you won't win games in this fast-paced, new-aged NHL. Our offence was too one-dimensional last season, with all the firepower coming from up front, and it was shut down pretty easily. You add a new dimension to every attack such as a puck moving threat like Franson and suddenly we're much harder to defend.

[Ossi Vaananen]

1st call up will be Pedan guys.Rugged 6'5" defenseman with 2 pro seasons under his belt now.

[BI3KSA-]

We still need a righty so why not.

Edler - Tanev

Hamhuis - ______

Sbisa/Bartkowski - Weber

There is still no need to rush Corrado. Let him keep playing with Utica and getting a lot of minutes.

He's waiver eligible, so we have no choice.

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1st call up will be Pedan guys.Rugged 6'5" defenseman with 2 pro seasons under his belt now.

Doubt it, he was the 7th guy in Utica

[Gaudette Celly]

Corrado, Clendening, Weber and Bart are our 5-8 d-men. After that Hutton, Subban, Cedar etc get a shot.

1st call up will be Pedan guys.Rugged 6'5" defenseman with 2 pro seasons under his belt now.

Biega has already showed he can play in the NHL (I'd expect him to be first), and Pedan will almost certainly get an audition at some point. That gives us 10, and Fedun is likely the 11th that fills Bennings quota. Hutton or one of the other rookies could even develop well enough to warrant a look as well.

Doubt it, he was the 7th guy in Utica

Actually Pedan was playing on the second or third pairing with Huskins (Utica guys can confirm) and Green has already said he expects him to get a call-up at some point next season. He made great development strides last year and seems to be a year ahead of what Benning originally projected (2 years) when he made the trade.

[canacks1970]

I've said this from the beginning of free agency, Franson would fit here PERFECTLY for the following reasons:

1) He's a big framed puck moving defenceman. The Canucks defence last season was one of the lowest scoring defences in the NHL, with Edler the only one putting up over 30 points, and of them, 6 came in the last couple of games against bottom feeders. Essentially, our highest scoring defenceman put up 25-30 points. Pathetic. Franson has had several 40+ point seasons.

2) Franson's a right handed defenceman. We just traded away Bieksa, leaving a nice hole there on the right side.

3) Franson and Hamhuis would have undeniable chemistry. Both are BC boys, they played in Nashville together, Hamhuis is a shutdown defenceman while Franson is a risky puck mover. They would be a very solid 2nd pairing.

4) Franson is a powerplay specialist, and the Canucks had a woeful powerplay with AHL-defenceman-caliber Weber on the first unit right side.

5) Franson is used to playing in a Candian market, and in fact had far more success in Toronto under pressure than he did in Nashville.

6) He's coming off a pretty terrible stint with Nashville where he clearly didn't fit in and because of their depth, he was playing 3rd pairing minutes and not producing. This is a poor indication of what he'd be like in Vancouver, where he'd receive Toronto-like responsibilities and minutes. The poor production in Nashville gives us some leverige for making a deal.

7) He's still only 28, and no teams have made a solid offer for him yet. We've got some cap space available now and while it may be a bit late (thanks to the Prust deal), we may still be able to offer him 4-5M for a season or two.

Sure, Franson would be asking for a long term, high price deal, but as the days tick by he's getting more and more desperate. Hopefully JB can swindle a 1 or 2 year deal for 4-5M, ideally 1 year. I consider this move to be very similar to the Del Zotto signing a while back where he went to Nashville, bombed out and was desperate for a deal after having success in New York.

Cap-wise, the Canucks have 4.8M in cap space right now with some RFAs caps not counting to it yet. We could ship off Sbisa to free up another 3M to sign Franson which is something I'd do in a blink of an eye. For example, Sbisa to Pittsburgh for a 2nd round pick (they need defence). Sign Franson to a 1 year, 5M deal.

Edler - Tanev

Hamhuis - Franson

Bartowski - Clendening

Weber

Corrado

There's a defence with far more balance already. Franson is a huge upgrade on Weber, Bartowski is better statistically than Sbisa and Clendening will hopefully do better than Bieksa.

Tell us one year has Franson has ever been on a 40 point pace? 21,29,21,33, AND 36 for the last 5 years is not what I CONSIDERED A 40 point pace would you? . And your call our Dmen pathetic for just putting up 30?

Another thing just because Hamhuis and Franson played on the same team for one year in Nashville doesn't mean they had instant chemistry. Can you tell me for sure they were regular defensive partners for most of that year?