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If it was just one one or two critical media guys, okay. But the Province and Sun reporters are all pretty negative about Benning's record so far and they have become amazingly consistent. Same with the Pass It to Bulis bloggers (Harrison Mooney and Daniel Wagner) and Thomas Drance

They're a gaggle of chickenlittle dimwits, always chirping the same chorus regardless.

Do yourself a favour and don't listen to them.

There isn't an intelligent hockey mind among them anyhow - far from it - they all a bunch of wannabes talking out their arses.

You may note in that last 'Canucksarmy' crapola, one of the few moments where they actually depart from their armchair pretenses and offer an actual idea - the prescription he offered was to go out and sign the 33 year old Justin Williams (who went to a potential contender in Washington btw) and Cody Franson - both in free agency (obviously).

If that's the best they can come up with themselves, they should shut their chirp-holes.

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Rebuild? Top players moving? Ok.....that's life (Panties fit loosely)

Top assets REPEATEDLY traded for MUCH less valuable returns? Not cool (Panties twisting into knot)

Kassian Lack and Bieksa gone and not ONE sexy asset to show for it? (Throw Kessler in there too....although McCann could be the savior)

If it walks like a suck and quacks like a suck...It sucks,

And these deals suck

Benning's trades remind me of the Phanuef to TO deal.....5 pounds of whatever does not equal 1 pound of top tier talent.

The bolded parts really don't match... at all - a player failing to meet his potential with off ice issues, a backup goalie, and an old 5/6 defender? You are delusional

Perhaps since you are a fan of the team you have over valued said assets... didn't think of that one huh?

I won't even bring up the Kesler trade because it has been beaten to death (He wanted to be traded to Anaheim, hard to bargain in a trade then)

I caught myself giving Kassian that benefit of the doubt every off-season - "this will be his year, this is when he actually shows up!", but that never happened. He failed under 3 coaches here, he has had off ice issues while being surrounded by people like the Sedins, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Burrows, Dorsett, and Luongo. Shane O'Brien and Zack Kassian are very similar if you think about it. How many chances on and off the ice do you need to give a player? why not use that asset like you are preaching to get someone that can do his job to the max and actually bring something to the lockerroom as well?

Lack wasn't a "sexy" asset. As much as Canuck fans loved him, we loved him just for him. He hasn't stood out in comparison to other goalies around the league and if you can't see that you have your Eddie man-crush goggles on. Teams in the market for other goalies clearly saw something else they wanted in those guys and went after them. Vancouver got an early 3rd round pick for him and I think that reflects fair value if there was little interest in someone that needed to be moved. Markström has got a lot of talent and I am very excited to see him be trusted as the backup next season.

Bieksa returned a 2nd round pick. Fair deal, you can't argue with that. The Canucks needed to move on and some of you act like a little kid that has lost his or her little snuggle blanket even though you have been saying that you are too old for it now and need to move on and be a big boy/girl. Should be happy that we even got a 2nd with the way he has been brutaly critisized over the years and his age. Kevin is one of my favorite players so don't even start saying I have some personal agenda against him

Gillis was in charge in a happy era when all he needed to do was to supply the core with a supporting cast and they should win a cup. He failed to do so while passing out NTC's and crippeling the future of the team while only thinking in short-term (he had to, in order to compete for the cup)

What does this means for Benning you may ask? He is stuck with an aging core, probably still sulking and realizing their window has been shut. He has difficult contracts to move and assets that have gone past their expiry date. Aaron Ward was right and so was that Canuck misconduct blogger. He is doing what he can with what he was left with. Don't expect him to build a mansion out of a few pebbles.

Oh and lastly, some say that Calgary actually won the Phaneuf trade in the end.. and I tend to agree with them.

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Canucks army started out like a simple fan blog. Basic, friendly stuff with a few opinions and funny stuff thrown in.

Now though, man, it read like the rest of the mainstream media garbage. Fairly misinformative. Tries too hard to be controversial, but if nobody can take it seriously? It's a bit more dorky than mainstream media garbage though, for sure.

Pitb... You can take it or leave it. Seems redundant. Might seem that way because it's been absorbed by mainstream media. But I see that is over now.

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However, being a GM of an NHL team means you need to be able to set a vision, execute a strategy, negotiate contracts, and maximize asset value, all within the context of a challenging salary cap structure.

(By the way, Matthias was signed by TO for 2.3 million and DeFazio was signed by Boston on a two-way deal that pays 100K in the AHL. That is a big loss for Utica.)

I disagree, I think JB and Trevor have a vision and strategy for this team. Many may disagree, but I believe they are strategically setting us up for a high pick next draft. Some people wanted to tank last year but there was no hope competing with Edm, Buf, and Ari. There was no way we were going to tank better than any of those 3 teams. Enter the 15/16 season and the 2016 draft. The draft changes next year. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the top 3 teams are now eligible for the top overall pick or minimum 3rd overall? (this year it was only the top 2). Not to mention who would we be competing with? Edmonton and Buffalo will not be competing for the top pick anymore. Arizona may. Toronto should but may not fall hard enough. Carolina? Maybe. We can only hope Lack plays well enough for them.

Auston Matthews, an extremely talented kid, is projected to go number 1 next year. You also have Chychrun, the potential number 1D man Canucks fans have been drooling over for years and the Canucks have sorely missed for as long as anyone can remember. As good as Ekblad is for Florida, Chychrun is projected as slightly better. One painful year and we could have our next Keith or Doughty on the blue line for 10+ years.

You also have us shipping out KB to give young defenders a chance. Lack, understandly gone, gives us a bit more risk with our back-up in Markstrom. Whether you like him or not our 3rd leading goal scorer in Matthias is gone. Richardson's gone. I see this team moving to our youth and not being upset if we have one poor season while this youth movement adjusts.

If JB and Linden are planning on having a poor season to maximise their draft position then they have planned it very well. Pick a deep draft with less competition.

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Local media isn't willing to, or isn't capable of understanding logic beyond a + b = c. If they can't or won't understand what Benning is up to, he must be a damn fool. It couldn't possibly be them.

I haven't seen one article that implies an attempt to understand what Benning is doing. Let alone present a valid criticism of the execution of the plan. The media goes on as if there is no plan at all and all of the moves that Benning has made are merely random. If this were the case, there is no possible way, Benning or by extension, Linden would have A. gotten the job in the first place, or B. retained the job for a full year.

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I think everyone's just sick of losing our top assets for scraps.

We lost elite players in Luongo, Kesler, Schneider and all we got left is Bonino, Sbisa, Markstrom, Horvat and McCann.

Just Luongo and Kesler alone should have gotten atleast that.

I get they have ntc's etc, but it's not the fans faults.

Then there's the Lack and Kassian trade. Lack one is whatever, but I'm sure we could have made a package with Kassian, Burrows and something else intriguing and gotten Scherbak or Gallagher back or something.

You say its not the fans fault? Is it Bennings fault they all have no trades? Do you think it hampers the idea of trying to get value for your asset? Is there anyone who realizes that sometimes you have to move forward even if it doesn't please everyone? Benning and Linden are where they are because of who they are and there experience, does anyone here claim to be more qualified? I think not. Then I think everyone should shut the F#@k up and give them time to work their plan. If not then good-bye.

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I don't think the Canucks army critique of Trevor and Benning is at all fair. They certainly seem to know the direction they want to head... I'm not sure I have fully liked that direction all the time but I don't think there's any doubt they're making tough decisions pretty decisively.

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I think everyone's just sick of losing our top assets for scraps.

We lost elite players in Luongo, Kesler, Schneider and all we got left is Bonino, Sbisa, Markstrom, Horvat and McCann.

Just Luongo and Kesler alone should have gotten atleast that.

I get they have ntc's etc, but it's not the fans faults.

Then there's the Lack and Kassian trade. Lack one is whatever, but I'm sure we could have made a package with Kassian, Burrows and something else intriguing and gotten Scherbak or Gallagher back or something.

I think you are seriously missing the point and problem with the Kesler trade. He was unsatified being in Vancouver. He gave the team one option to trade to Anaheim and that was it. So our GM did exactly that, they traded him to the one team he wanted to go to. Yes Vancouver could have kept him but he was nothing but a disruption to the team. The irony of the whole situation was, the majority of fans did not mind getting rid of Kesler.

Now as I see that type of situation, Benning got what the Ducks were willing to pay for Kesler. They had Benning behind the eight ball and they knew it. How do you make another team pay more for a player when they know they don't have to. Your reasoning is shallow and has no basis with respect to getting more for Kesler. Anaheim took advantage of a situation that Kesler caused for Vancouver, so blame Kesler for only being worth what we got. Benning should not have to wear that blame.

With respect to Luongo, who caused the problem with him. Lets put the blame where the blame really lays. The fans burned the bridge with Luongo and the bloody sports media were complicit and right behind the fans with all their vitriol. They booed him in his own arena. They wanted the back up (Schneider) to play instead. Oh, according to all the goalie critics, Schneider was a better goalkeeper and everyone was willing to run Lui out on a rail, covered with tar and feathers. Luongo did not play up to expectations and lost Vancouver a Stanley Cup was the chant with the fans. What a bunch of superficial BS. The fact remains we had key players out with injury but to the hockey know it alls in Vancouver, it is not an excuse, even if three or four of those players were key players. Blame the goalie, the useless blighter.

So Luongo asked to be traded or let it be known he wanted out of Vancouver. He wanted to go to Florida so the team did what they felt best for him. Even in that trade, the illustrious Vancouver mob of know it alls felt we did not get enough for him. The circumstances for the GM were the same as they were with Kesler. Only a one team option with the receiving team chomping at the bit because they knew Vancouver was behind the eight ball, they knew Gillis was an easy mark because of the goalie situation and they also knew they did not have to pay much for poor Luongo.

You see Erik you only see part of the picture. You see the color but you don't have any idea what went on before the paint was put to canvas. I mean no malice when I say your thought is shallow, you are just one of the all too many fans that have been hoodwinked by Vancouver's infamous sports media. There is not one of them that would not eat their young as long as they can get a controversial story going. The media can take fans in like the morning milk with their coverage spin and with their ridiculous, non factual speculation.

Why do people fall for that crap and jump onto the rumour monger blame wagon. Because they don't see through the facade.

Vancouver is renown for being the graveyard of hockey goaltenders. They are still trying to manifest something with Miller. They pitted him against Lack and mark my words they will do the same with Miller and Markstrom. They don't give a rats butt about how their negative comments influence the play or players of a team. As I said earlier, they would eat their young Just to enable manufacturing a provocative story line for those who will believe anything.

Do you note how the media is now playing the lets discredit the Trevor Linden card now? A once revered hockey player in Vancouver known as Captain Canuck. The media are now making suggestions that he does not have the experience or knowledge for meeting the task of being the President of the Vancouver hockey club.

It sickens me to read the garbage that Gallager, Botchford, Willies and the rest of that dispicable ilk have to say about Linden, Benning and others associated with the Canucks. Those heretics could not even walk in Lindens shoes when it comes to knowing about hockey and they all know it. Now all we have to do is teach fans to understand that otherwise, we will also be known as the boneyard for hockey Presidents, GMs and Coaches. Go figure that one out Canuck fans.

Go Canucks Go. We need change in Vancouver and we need the right guys to make that change after 45 damn years of hockey mediocrity in Vancouver. To hell with who disagree or who it riles up to get to that end.

Linden, Benning and Desjardins all the way for me baby.

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I disagree, I think JB and Trevor have a vision and strategy for this team. Many may disagree, but I believe they are strategically setting us up for a high pick next draft. Some people wanted to tank last year but there was no hope competing with Edm, Buf, and Ari. There was no way we were going to tank better than any of those 3 teams. Enter the 15/16 season and the 2016 draft. The draft changes next year. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the top 3 teams are now eligible for the top overall pick or minimum 3rd overall? (this year it was only the top 2). Not to mention who would we be competing with? Edmonton and Buffalo will not be competing for the top pick anymore. Arizona may. Toronto should but may not fall hard enough. Carolina? Maybe. We can only hope Lack plays well enough for them.

Auston Matthews, an extremely talented kid, is projected to go number 1 next year. You also have Chychrun, the potential number 1D man Canucks fans have been drooling over for years and the Canucks have sorely missed for as long as anyone can remember. As good as Ekblad is for Florida, Chychrun is projected as slightly better. One painful year and we could have our next Keith or Doughty on the blue line for 10+ years.

You also have us shipping out KB to give young defenders a chance. Lack, understandly gone, gives us a bit more risk with our back-up in Markstrom. Whether you like him or not our 3rd leading goal scorer in Matthias is gone. Richardson's gone. I see this team moving to our youth and not being upset if we have one poor season while this youth movement adjusts.

If JB and Linden are planning on having a poor season to maximise their draft position then they have planned it very well. Pick a deep draft with less competition.

This argument makes sense to me. On several occasions i have referred to a "secret plan" as kind of a joke, and so have others. But I think the Canucks are probably planning to tank next year. And you are right that the "competition" for tanking will be weaker next year. Buffalo and Edmonton will be a lot better. Arizona will still be bad, though, and so will Toronto.

Under the new rules for the draft all teams that miss the playoffs have a shot at #1 AND at #2 (apart from the team that gets #1). So finishing last guarantees at least #3. Last year finishing last guaranteed at least #2 as only the #1 pick was in the lottery.

But if the Canucks miss the playoffs they have a chance at either Matthews (likely #1) or Chychrun (likely #2 if the Canucks pick there). Either of those guys would fill a crucial need (likely 1st line scorer or 1D in a few years).

Local media isn't willing to, or isn't capable of understanding logic beyond a + b = c. If they can't or won't understand what Benning is up to, he must be a damn fool. It couldn't possibly be them.

I haven't seen one article that implies an attempt to understand what Benning is doing. Let alone present a valid criticism of the execution of the plan. The media goes on as if there is no plan at all and all of the moves that Benning has made are merely random. If this were the case, there is no possible way, Benning or by extension, Linden would have A. gotten the job in the first place, or B. retained the job for a full year.

I agree that there is not much attempt to figure out the actual strategy. But I think that is because no one wants to say or admit that the Canucks strategy is to tank next year as part of a major rebuild. Of course, Benning and Linden cannot say that. (It is kind of like saying -- don't bother to get season tickets for the next year or two, come back in two or three years).

But all the BS about the importance of being in the playoffs every year and the importance of a winning environment does create confusion. It seems just possible that they actually believe it, although they dialed back on that storyline since the draft.

The Canucks need a low finish next year and they need to put Hammer, Vrbata and Weber in favorable matchups to make them look good at the trade deadline, get some good picks and have a really good draft next year.

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This argument makes sense to me. On several occasions i have referred to a "secret plan" as kind of a joke, and so have others. But I think the Canucks are probably planning to tank next year. And you are right that the "competition" for tanking will be weaker next year. Buffalo and Edmonton will be a lot better. Arizona will still be bad, though, and so will Toronto.

Under the new rules for the draft all teams that miss the playoffs have a shot at #1 AND at #2 (apart from the team that gets #1). So finishing last guarantees at least #3. Last year finishing last guaranteed at least #2 as only the #1 pick was in the lottery.

But if the Canucks miss the playoffs they have a chance at either Matthews (likely #1) or Chychrun (likely #2 if the Canucks pick there). Either of those guys would fill a crucial need (likely 1st line scorer or 1D in a few years).

I agree that there is not much attempt to figure out the actual strategy. But I think that is because no one wants to say or admit that the Canucks strategy is to tank next year as part of a major rebuild. Of course, Benning and Linden cannot say that. (It is kind of like saying -- don't bother to get season tickets for the next year or two, come back in two or three years).

But all the BS about the importance of being in the playoffs every year and the importance of a winning environment does create confusion. It seems just possible that they actually believe it, although they dialed back on that storyline since the draft.

The Canucks need a low finish next year and they need to put Hammer, Vrbata and Weber in favorable matchups to make them look good at the trade deadline, get some good picks and have a really good draft next year.

On the other hand, what if the media tried to guess what the strategy was and got it wrong? They would lose their credibility altogether. Rather than readers having to figure out that they're all barking at the moon, we would know for sure.

Management isn't going to state their strategy outright. That would be like telling the world how they got the caramel inside the caramilk bar. So that's not on either.

But to imply that there is no plan at all is just nonsense.

Secretly tanking is based on nothing either imo. It's just speculation.

Benning and Linden have said lots of things in press conferences. I think it would be foolish to outright lie, they're just not telling all because sooner or later they would contradict themselves and they have been remarkably consistent. Long term is easier to figure out. I think most agree that it's draft and develop. The transition which we are in right now is the murky part. Either way, the end game is the same. So, it's safer to just not put yourself out there and just enjoy the ride. If you can upset a few fans along the way so much the better. It sells newspapers.

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It's awful to hear experienced writers sounding alarm bells about Trevor Linden and Jim Benning's abilities and qualifications because the team fired people who's fingerprints are all over the team (yes, THAT team) that's been crumbling before our eyes for years, the team that is saddled with contracts they complain about being stumbling blocks, yet celebrate when the man responsible for them is fired?

I'm glad someone noticed this. I thought I might actually be crazy.

To be pissed off at the management this year you have to bring together quite a few elements:

1) Total amnesia

2) Outrageous homer overestimation of players

3) The view that Kassian is a good player (we all hoped he would be)

4) The belief that your goalie is elite because you love twitter

5) Ignorance of the fact that having veteran warriors on your team is what develops prospects, so you don't turn out like Carolina.

6) Simultaneous desire for and fear of roster changes

7) Utter mis-estimation of the trade market

8) The strange and false memory of Matthias being a physical force and not a marshmallow ghost - as they pushed on the radio today.

That radio bit was just as weird as praising Gilman, totally forgetting a year of talking about untradeable contracts and no-trade clauses.

And for the tankers (for effing shame), I am pretty sure that JB intends to draft a little higher - while remaining competitive. As in, fighting every night like a real hockey team. I know that losing is the new winning, but since you don't care about hockey or understand it, you can just pick a different team. Just be a Spoilers fan. I am sure they will still be able to land a big OHL kid this year.

Anyone, like Botch, Mac, or Gally, who is baffled or confused by the utterly consistent program of this management group really should not be proud of it.

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I think everyone's just sick of losing our top assets for scraps.

We lost elite players in Luongo, Kesler, Schneider and all we got left is Bonino, Sbisa, Markstrom, Horvat and McCann.

Just Luongo and Kesler alone should have gotten atleast that.

I get they have ntc's etc, but it's not the fans faults.

Then there's the Lack and Kassian trade. Lack one is whatever, but I'm sure we could have made a package with Kassian, Burrows and something else intriguing and gotten Scherbak or Gallagher back or something.

So, an inconsistent power forward with back problems, a mildly effective if declining guy in Burrows and a prospect for Gallagher? CDC never fails to amaze me.

It's awful to hear experienced writers sounding alarm bells about Trevor Linden and Jim Benning's abilities and qualifications because the team fired people who's fingerprints are all over the team (yes, THAT team) that's been crumbling before our eyes for years, the team that is saddled with contracts they complain about being stumbling blocks, yet celebrate when the man responsible for them is fired?

I'm glad someone noticed this. I thought I might actually be crazy.

To be pissed off at the management this year you have to bring together quite a few elements:

1) Total amnesia

2) Outrageous homer overestimation of players

3) The view that Kassian is a good player (we all hoped he would be)

4) The belief that your goalie is elite because you love twitter

5) Ignorance of the fact that having veteran warriors on your team is what develops prospects, so you don't turn out like Carolina.

6) Simultaneous desire for and fear of roster changes

7) Utter mis-estimation of the trade market

8) The strange and false memory of Matthias being a physical force and not a marshmallow ghost - as they pushed on the radio today.

That radio bit was just as weird as praising Gilman, totally forgetting a year of talking about untradeable contracts and no-trade clauses.

And for the tankers (for effing shame), I am pretty sure that JB intends to draft a little higher - while remaining competitive. As in, fighting every night like a real hockey team. I know that losing is the new winning, but since you don't care about hockey or understand it, you can just pick a different team. Just be a Spoilers fan. I am sure they will still be able to land a big OHL kid this year.

Anyone, like Botch, Mac, or Gally, who is baffled or confused by the utterly consistent program of this management group really should not be proud of it.

You. I like you.

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It's awful to hear experienced writers sounding alarm bells about Trevor Linden and Jim Benning's abilities and qualifications because the team fired people who's fingerprints are all over the team (yes, THAT team) that's been crumbling before our eyes for years, the team that is saddled with contracts they complain about being stumbling blocks, yet celebrate when the man responsible for them is fired?

I'm glad someone noticed this. I thought I might actually be crazy.

To be pissed off at the management this year you have to bring together quite a few elements:

1) Total amnesia

2) Outrageous homer overestimation of players

3) The view that Kassian is a good player (we all hoped he would be)

4) The belief that your goalie is elite because you love twitter

5) Ignorance of the fact that having veteran warriors on your team is what develops prospects, so you don't turn out like Carolina.

6) Simultaneous desire for and fear of roster changes

7) Utter mis-estimation of the trade market

8) The strange and false memory of Matthias being a physical force and not a marshmallow ghost - as they pushed on the radio today.

That radio bit was just as weird as praising Gilman, totally forgetting a year of talking about untradeable contracts and no-trade clauses.

And for the tankers (for effing shame), I am pretty sure that JB intends to draft a little higher - while remaining competitive. As in, fighting every night like a real hockey team. I know that losing is the new winning, but since you don't care about hockey or understand it, you can just pick a different team. Just be a Spoilers fan. I am sure they will still be able to land a big OHL kid this year.

Anyone, like Botch, Mac, or Gally, who is baffled or confused by the utterly consistent program of this management group really should not be proud of it.

Bravo, truth and humour +1

Sorry to break this to you. If you're on CDC, you're probably crazy.

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Why do we care what other people are saying?

It matters as much as what the mob on CDC says.

Results are the only thing that matters. That takes data which we don't have enough of yet.

A voice of reason, as always.

There's really nothing special about the media's opinion. They have better than average writing skills, sometimes just barely, but that's about it.

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So, an inconsistent power forward with back problems, a mildly effective if declining guy in Burrows and a prospect for Gallagher? CDC never fails to amaze me.

It's the "just keep throwing more bologna on the sandwich until someone buys it" theory.

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I disagree, I think JB and Trevor have a vision and strategy for this team. Many may disagree, but I believe they are strategically setting us up for a high pick next draft. Some people wanted to tank last year but there was no hope competing with Edm, Buf, and Ari. There was no way we were going to tank better than any of those 3 teams. Enter the 15/16 season and the 2016 draft. The draft changes next year. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the top 3 teams are now eligible for the top overall pick or minimum 3rd overall? (this year it was only the top 2). Not to mention who would we be competing with? Edmonton and Buffalo will not be competing for the top pick anymore. Arizona may. Toronto should but may not fall hard enough. Carolina? Maybe. We can only hope Lack plays well enough for them.

Auston Matthews, an extremely talented kid, is projected to go number 1 next year. You also have Chychrun, the potential number 1D man Canucks fans have been drooling over for years and the Canucks have sorely missed for as long as anyone can remember. As good as Ekblad is for Florida, Chychrun is projected as slightly better. One painful year and we could have our next Keith or Doughty on the blue line for 10+ years.

You also have us shipping out KB to give young defenders a chance. Lack, understandly gone, gives us a bit more risk with our back-up in Markstrom. Whether you like him or not our 3rd leading goal scorer in Matthias is gone. Richardson's gone. I see this team moving to our youth and not being upset if we have one poor season while this youth movement adjusts.

If JB and Linden are planning on having a poor season to maximise their draft position then they have planned it very well. Pick a deep draft with less competition.

This threat is hilarious

Dura I like what you say and I hope its true, but there are 2 posters below you who believe everything is the medias fault and a couple more that just blindly believe TL and JB have a plan that is working.

Like I said I hope you are right, but my gut feeling is the Canucks will be just good enough to threaten to pull an Ottawa next year and the JB will start trading picks to make the playoffs just like Nonis did when he was here.

Here is the problem I see with your plan. What if Sven Baertchi and Horvat play just well enough to drag us into 10th or 11th place in the conference? WHat if we are in 11th, 5 points back of the playoffs at the deadline? Does Benning buy or sell?

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