J.I.A.H.N Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 First off, I started to really hate Benning's open mouth policy, and thought it really hurts any type of trade bargaining....but the more I think about it, maybe there is method to his madness. So, Benning announces that he is going to wait and see what happens with both Hamhuis and Vrbata before he re-signs them...... Is he quietly (Loudly) saying to the other GM's......."hey, Guys I a pretty sure I am going to trade Hamhuis and Vrbata, so you should make room for them (both financially/cap wise and roster spot wise) and we can talk over the summer. I am just not so sure Benning and Co, didn't have this planned from the end of the playoffs, when they saw just how bad we looked..... To publicly state we are "Rebuilding" would probably started an avalanche, this way he could slowly break it to the masses, and get some type of momentum for that rebuild, without not actually saying it. Looks pretty obvious to me......hey I could be wrong???? But if I am Benning and I have already fielded inquiries for those 2, I would start the idea out in the public and see how we react....... Like I said earlier, all the time sending the message to the other managers. I am not saying I agree with this method, just that it is a possibility. If Benning does end up trading the both of them early, we are a guaranteed top 6 pick at worse, at best we win the lottery . Either way, we end up with 2 or 3 first round picks......... I do agree with those that say we get our best return at the Deadline, but I caution those that take that argument, that if Hamhuis or Vrbata, either have poor seasons or get hurt, it could blow up in our faces, with no pick or not as good of picks or ending up loosing them altogether with no compensation and them not re-signing.... If I am Benning....I am not totally sure what the right answer is.....lots of risk! And as many you have said before..."you are glad I am not Benning!" lol CDC will burn him either way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Who knows, who cares, as long as he doesn't waste their solid value. The way I see it, if we're struggling and around 10th in the Conference at the time of the deadline, he might as well trade one or both of them for picks/prospects. If we're comfortably in the top-3 in our division then I wouldn't touch them. Vbrata and Hamhuis would be invaluable to our team's progress, especially if we're to make a Cup run of any sorts, and they'd both be integral in helping our young guys. In particular, I'd love to see Vbrata play with Baertschi (they had some undeniable chemistry in a few stints last season and are similar skilled players), and Hamhuis with Corrado or Clendening. We need good veterans to groom our prospects, not just guys like Prust and Dorsett who don't know how to score goals. However, if we're on the cusp of a playoff spot or in the Wild Card position then Benning has a big decision to make. Either we go for it, keep the two veterans and waste their value by losing them to free agency (but get their services for the rest of the 20 games +/- playoffs), or we trade them both and most likely drop out of playoff contention and waste the season. Personally, I think we should keep them because we want to groom our kids properly and grow them in a winning environment unless a VERY good offer comes along. I wouldn't just be happy with picks (even 1st rounders would be late ones because the teams trading for Hamhuis or Vbrata would be contenders) but we'd need some defensive prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fateless Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I'll be hugely let down if Benning does not trade them both at the deadline for at least a 1st rounder each. There is a difference between raising your prospects in a winning environment and sacrificing valuable assets for an extra 4 games (because realistically, that is all this team is good for in the playoffs lately). If Benning decides to keep Vrbata and Hamuis and we bow out in the first round again and they both walk, I would be done trusting Benning. That would have been AT LEAST two 1st rounders in what Benning considers a deeper draft than the past 2015 one that he threw away for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 I will be happy if he resigns or trades them. letting them go for nothing I will be unhappy with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ojibwa72 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 With them if you aren't going to resign. try to at least get a prospect and a pick for both. someone who can play now and another for the future replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manroth19 Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Deadline is the better play. More value being easier to fit the lower salary cap. Also, it gives some more time for some of our utica prospects to develop before bringing them up to replace such players. If vey gets better this year and gaunce cassels or shinkarik show promise i say throw bonino in that trade mix aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Vrbata I expect to be traded at the deadline. If we don't, then I want him re-signed for another year or two. I don't want to lose him for nothing. Hamhuis I would like re-signed to a deal; something like 3 years. That said, if the return is high enough (mid-level 1st-round pick) I'd be okay with trading him as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By sea and land Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 For this reason I mentioned a few weeks ago that I think Vrbata is the single Canuck that needs to have a GREAT season like last one. The return we could get from him could seriously quicken the rebuild. Also, what else is our GM going to say other than "we want to make the playoffs"? He has to say that. He must say that. He's our GM and excellence is what we're aiming to achieve. Benning knows full well that we're not a current cup caliber team but he HAS to say we want to make the playoffs. What do you think our leaders such as Danny and Hank want to hear? First off, I started to really hate Benning's open mouth policy, and thought it really hurts any type of trade bargaining....but the more I think about it, maybe there is method to his madness. So, Benning announces that he is going to wait and see what happens with both Hamhuis and Vrbata before he re-signs them...... Is he quietly (Loudly) saying to the other GM's......."hey, Guys I a pretty sure I am going to trade Hamhuis and Vrbata, so you should make room for them (both financially/cap wise and roster spot wise) and we can talk over the summer. I am just not so sure Benning and Co, didn't have this planned from the end of the playoffs, when they saw just how bad we looked..... To publicly state we are "Rebuilding" would probably started an avalanche, this way he could slowly break it to the masses, and get some type of momentum for that rebuild, without not actually saying it. Looks pretty obvious to me......hey I could be wrong???? But if I am Benning and I have already fielded inquiries for those 2, I would start the idea out in the public and see how we react....... Like I said earlier, all the time sending the message to the other managers. I am not saying I agree with this method, just that it is a possibility. If Benning does end up trading the both of them early, we are a guaranteed top 6 pick at worse, at best we win the lottery . Either way, we end up with 2 or 3 first round picks......... I do agree with those that say we get our best return at the Deadline, but I caution those that take that argument, that if Hamhuis or Vrbata, either have poor seasons or get hurt, it could blow up in our faces, with no pick or not as good of picks or ending up loosing them altogether with no compensation and them not re-signing.... If I am Benning....I am not totally sure what the right answer is.....lots of risk! And as many you have said before..."you are glad I am not Benning!" lol CDC will burn him either way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted July 15, 2015 Share Posted July 15, 2015 I think it's possible to sell them off at the trade deadline for first round picks like Arizona did with Vermette last season. a couple of 1st rounders could be turned into a very high pick which would be used to select a stud d I think that drafting is the most reliable way to get a 1D. Trading for one like Calgary did with Hamilton is risky. Word is, Hamilton was having issues with other Bruin players which is why they shipped him out. If he has problems on one team who is to say that he won't have problems on another. The point is, some of these high end moves, like O'Reilly, come with problems. If they were ideal team mates, you would build a team around them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 You either re-sign them for reasonable term friendly contracts or get the most value you can at the trade deadline renting them to a contender. First rounders each, with a high end prospect (Hamhuis) and mid level prospect (Vrbata) is what they should get at that point in the season....do it before then and the return will be more like Lack's (poor market return, but what the market bore at that point). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 First off, I started to really hate Benning's open mouth policy, and thought it really hurts any type of trade bargaining....but the more I think about it, maybe there is method to his madness. So, Benning announces that he is going to wait and see what happens with both Hamhuis and Vrbata before he re-signs them...... Is he quietly (Loudly) saying to the other GM's......."hey, Guys I a pretty sure I am going to trade Hamhuis and Vrbata, so you should make room for them (both financially/cap wise and roster spot wise) and we can talk over the summer. I am just not so sure Benning and Co, didn't have this planned from the end of the playoffs, when they saw just how bad we looked..... To publicly state we are "Rebuilding" would probably started an avalanche, this way he could slowly break it to the masses, and get some type of momentum for that rebuild, without not actually saying it. Looks pretty obvious to me......hey I could be wrong???? But if I am Benning and I have already fielded inquiries for those 2, I would start the idea out in the public and see how we react....... Like I said earlier, all the time sending the message to the other managers. I am not saying I agree with this method, just that it is a possibility. If Benning does end up trading the both of them early, we are a guaranteed top 6 pick at worse, at best we win the lottery . Either way, we end up with 2 or 3 first round picks......... I do agree with those that say we get our best return at the Deadline, but I caution those that take that argument, that if Hamhuis or Vrbata, either have poor seasons or get hurt, it could blow up in our faces, with no pick or not as good of picks or ending up loosing them altogether with no compensation and them not re-signing.... If I am Benning....I am not totally sure what the right answer is.....lots of risk! And as many you have said before..."you are glad I am not Benning!" lol CDC will burn him either way! You're just not used to Benning's "open mouth policy" (how rude) anymore because the Canucks haven't had a real hockey GM in more than a decade. And also, aren't you part of a fan base that, when not told anything you go crazy and, when told something you go crazy? So really, don't worry bout it too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 I'll be hugely let down if Benning does not trade them both at the deadline for at least a 1st rounder each. There is a difference between raising your prospects in a winning environment and sacrificing valuable assets for an extra 4 games (because realistically, that is all this team is good for in the playoffs lately). If Benning decides to keep Vrbata and Hamuis and we bow out in the first round again and they both walk, I would be done trusting Benning. That would have been AT LEAST two 1st rounders in what Benning considers a deeper draft than the past 2015 one that he threw away for nothing. And what if the demand isn't there? Vrbata had 4 points in 6 playoff games last year. Not bad, not epic either. Hamhuis has had in 34 playoff games with Vancouver 12 points. Steady but not spectacular. I can see Hamhuis going to Tampa. Hamhuis is 33, Vrbata is 34. Just because we think they are worth a 1st rounder each, doesn't mean other teams think the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 vrbata is good as gone but hammer i wouldnt be surprised if he stays because whos gonna replace him? sbisa?! no thanks! theres no one on the left side pushing hammer out so for now hes still valueable. hammer 3 yrs/12m BUT im not apposed to him getting dealt because i know like most of you we need fresh blood and a youth movement which is in progress and both vrbata and hamhuis are worth a pretty penny if their play doesnt fall off the wagon throughout the season to mtl: vrbata to van: first pick 2016, 3rd pick 2017 to dal: hamhuis, to van: ja.benn, 2nd pick 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 to dal: hamhuis, to van: ja.benn, 2nd pick 2016 This is a terrible deal for Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnScott Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Bad: Hamhuis+Vrbata leave as UFAs Good: Vrbata traded at the deadline, Hamhuis re-signs Great: Vrbata+Hamhuis traded at the deadline Superb: Vrbata+Hamhuis traded at the deadline, Hamhuis signs with us in the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted July 17, 2015 Share Posted July 17, 2015 Bad: Hamhuis+Vrbata leave as UFAs Good: Vrbata traded at the deadline, Hamhuis re-signs Great: Vrbata+Hamhuis traded at the deadline Superb: Vrbata+Hamhuis traded at the deadline, Hamhuis signs with us in the summer ding, ding, ding; we have a winning answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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