Delta76 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Just some ideas I nad for the coming season Edit: Removed Higgins trade Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Baer-Sutter-Vrbata Virtanen-Horvat-Hansen Prust-McCaan -Dorsett Cracknell Edler-Tanev Hamhuis-Sbisa Hutton-Bartkowski Corrado, Weber Was a little of on this starting roster but I am happy with what we ended up with. 9 games/christmas Edit: Virtanen, Hutton and McCann sent down I personally believe that Virtanen will benefit from being sent down but we should keep McCaan up. Sedin-Sedin-Hansen Burrows-Sutter-Vrbata Baertschi-Cracknel-Higgins Prust-Vey-Dorsett Edler-Tanev Hamhuis-Weber/Bart Depth guy-Sbisa Grenier Deadline Some moves are made here... To Mtl Vrbata To Van Mtl 1st Montreal has a scoring issue which Vrbata will help with, could to to Ottawa too as Murray said he will go after a top 6 frwd if he needs one To ? (Depends on his NTC, most likely a contender though) Hamhuis To Van 2016 1st Hamhuis will easily net a 1st from any contenter. We can retain salary if need be as he is UFA at season end. Edit: took out the Weber trade. D-depth is good as much as I dislike weber Edit: Removed Prust trade. Like him here Sedins-Hansen Baer-Sutter-Burrows Higgins-Vey-Dorsett Prust-Cracknell-Grenier Edler-Tanev Bart-Sbisa Weber-Biega Guy Draft Fire Willie Willie just doesn't line match or adapt well. His theory that not playing rookies so they don't make mistakes a little off. We also lack proper breakout or defensive zone systems. There's a lot wrong with this team and firing Willie isn't a quick fix but it's a start and I would rather Travis Greene. To wpg Hansen To Van 2016 3rd (value may be off but oh well) At the draft we now have 3 firsts. This will vastly speed up out rebuild. Ideally we can package 2 firsts and move up to take Chyruchryn and then use the remainder on a top line potential LW and the rest of the 2nds on BPA. Now we have defensive prospect depth with Chyruchryn, 2016 2nds, Hutton, Subban and Brisebois all have top 4 potential. Some will bust but some will over achieve but atleast we have a cuppboard of d prospects. UFA I believe so we have bunch of cap space coming off the books so... Sing Ladd 3yrs 7mil avg Bring back Hammer! 2 years 4 mil avg Lineup in 2016/17 Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Baertschi-Horvat-Ladd Higgins-McCaan -Virtanen Gaunce-Sutter-Dorsett Cracknell/Shink Ideally by midseason virtanen takes Ladds place and Ladd takes Burrows place. Edler-Tanev Hutton-Sbisa Hamhuis-Pedan Biega/Weber This lineup should be able to content for a play off spot... our young guns will have NHL experience and will be backed by the Sedins, Ladd, Miller, Edler and Tanev. One tank season for multiple years of prosperity Flame away, comment, discuss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Thank you for stopping the run of spam posts. One thing I'd like to add though, is that Higgins has said he doesn't want to go back east - if he does, it will be to the Isles though, so you got that one. If he does, I'd rather get our 2016 3rd back than NYI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notafan Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I have to agree with Delta 76 on only two points (with some changes). 1. Higgins and 4th to NYI (not for DP) for RFA Brock Nelson. Nelson is 23 6-3 206. Scored 20 goals (10 on the PP) Put on 2nd line with Horvat. Move Burrows down to 3rd line LW. Sign Eric Fehr (RW) 29 6-4 212. Scored 19 goals on 3rd line in WSH. Put him on 2nd line with horvat and Nelson. 2. Vrbata (at TD) to MTL. 4th round DP. In regards to your line ups, Bonino never has been and never will be a 2nd line centre on the Canucks. He sucks. Leave him on the 3rd line between Burrows and Hansen. Baertschi (if they sign him)/Kenins will be the 13th forward. Pre TD: Sedin Sedin Vrbata Nelson Horvat Fehr Burrows Bonino Hansen Prust Vey Dorsett If the Canucks improve by TD, make minor changes where needed. If not, fire sale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
12-16-FG Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 oh my lord, Weber was just signed and Virbata ia a rental, and JB has said he wanted and needed Prust. we may not like it but this is the situation we are now facing. It is possible that Higgins is on his way out, but make no mistakes we won't be getting high end drafted players in any deal. There still maybe one other move JB makes other than Virbata, but it to will be a deadline deal. I like what they have done so far, lets see what happens come sept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I have to agree with Delta 76 on only two points (with some changes). 1. Higgins and 4th to NYI (not for DP) for RFA Brock Nelson. Nelson is 23 6-3 206. Scored 20 goals (10 on the PP) Put on 2nd line with Horvat. Move Burrows down to 3rd line LW. Sign Eric Fehr (RW) 29 6-4 212. Scored 19 goals on 3rd line in WSH. Put him on 2nd line with horvat and Nelson. ... Nelson is a fine target, but ... From the Province White Towel article on the Summer Summit: "... Linden revealed several tidbits, including his pitch that the Canucks have been trying to trade Chris Higgins but have found they cannot move his contract." http://blogs.theprovince.com/2015/07/09/canucks-summer-summit-yes-it-could-have-been-miller-gone-if-benning-believed-in-lack/ Assuming that's correct, in what dreamworld does Snow trade the RFA rights to a young 6'3 20 goal scorer for Higgins and a 4th? In fact, even if it isn't correct, in what dreamworld does Snow trade the RFA rights to a young 6'3 20 goal scorer for Higgins and a 4th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 While I see Vrbata as a good fit in Montreal. There's no way he's gonna get a 1st AND a 2nd. Maybe a 1st OR a 2nd and a B Prospect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven pounds soft Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I hope that's the plan Benning is thinking of. Great proposal Delta 76! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta76 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 I hope that's the plan Benning is thinking of. Great proposal Delta 76! Cheers! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta76 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 Updated the OP based on camp and recent trades. Thinking maybe keep Prust at the deadline instead. Also doubt he brings a 2nd back but forgot to change thst in OP. Sutter is a damn expensive 4c but he will move up and down as Bo and McCaan experience slumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Very well thought out proposal and I hope this is the plan. This team needs to add the picks to speed up the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta76 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Made another edit to the OP. Figure I will keep this going throughout the season. Not many people read it put I enjoy putting my thoughts in here so w/e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 This is a pretty good proposal. I would not mind at all if things played out this way, but here's what I think: Sedin - Sedin - VrbataBaertschi - Horvat - SutterBurrows - McCann - HansenPrust - Cracknell - Dorsett Edler - TanevHamhuis - WeberHutton - Bartkowski That's what I think the lineup should look like after the 9-game tryouts. Virtanen gets sent down and plays in the WJC. I doubt it happens, but hopefully Sbisa gets benched/scratched. Trade Deadline: To NSH/MTL/OTT:Vrbata To VAN:2016 1st Round Pick To NYI:Hamhuis2016 2nd Round Pick2016 3rd Round Pick To VAN:Pulock For the Vrbata deal, it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be the mentioned teams, just whoever will give up a 1st for him. I'm not 100% sure about the value headed back to the Islanders on the Hamhuis deal though. He is a guy that they have the cap space to resign, especially if the trade/lose Okposo. The only thing that changes is the defense and Sbisa can slot back in. Move Hutton up to top-4 only if he's ready; he can rotate with Bartkowski: Sedin - Sedin - BurrowsBaertschi - Horvat - SutterHiggins - McCann - HansenPrust - Cracknell - Dorsett Edler - TanevHutton/Bartkowski - WeberHutton/Bartkowski - Sbisa Draft Day: While we did give up some mid-picks in the Hamhuis deal, Pulock will be worth it. We end up with 2 1st rounders and we can select 1 LW and 1 D. Free Agency: Try to sign Hamhuis back on a 3-year, 10.5 million dollar deal (3.5 per) I think that's all we really need to do. We don't want to bring in too many players and have to ship them out later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta76 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 This is a pretty good proposal. I would not mind at all if things played out this way, but here's what I think: Sedin - Sedin - VrbataBaertschi - Horvat - SutterBurrows - McCann - HansenPrust - Cracknell - Dorsett Edler - TanevHamhuis - WeberHutton - Bartkowski That's what I think the lineup should look like after the 9-game tryouts. Virtanen gets sent down and plays in the WJC. I doubt it happens, but hopefully Sbisa gets benched/scratched. Trade Deadline: To NSH/MTL/OTT:Vrbata To VAN:2016 1st Round Pick To NYI:Hamhuis2016 2nd Round Pick2016 3rd Round Pick To VAN:Pulock For the Vrbata deal, it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be the mentioned teams, just whoever will give up a 1st for him. I'm not 100% sure about the value headed back to the Islanders on the Hamhuis deal though. He is a guy that they have the cap space to resign, especially if the trade/lose Okposo. The only thing that changes is the defense and Sbisa can slot back in. Move Hutton up to top-4 only if he's ready; he can rotate with Bartkowski: Sedin - Sedin - BurrowsBaertschi - Horvat - SutterHiggins - McCann - HansenPrust - Cracknell - Dorsett Edler - TanevHutton/Bartkowski - WeberHutton/Bartkowski - Sbisa Draft Day: While we did give up some mid-picks in the Hamhuis deal, Pulock will be worth it. We end up with 2 1st rounders and we can select 1 LW and 1 D. Free Agency: Try to sign Hamhuis back on a 3-year, 10.5 million dollar deal (3.5 per) I think that's all we really need to do. We don't want to bring in too many players and have to ship them out later. Yeah I would be happy with things playing out that way too.I'm not really hung up on singing Ladd, just thought it was a cool idea.Interesting thought to trade Hamhuis for Pulock, haven't watched him play much but it would go along with JB's plan of acquiring players in their early 20's to speed up the retool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 Yeah I would be happy with things playing out that way too.I'm not really hung up on singing Ladd, just thought it was a cool idea.Interesting thought to trade Hamhuis for Pulock, haven't watched him play much but it would go along with JB's plan of acquiring players in their early 20's to speed up the retool.I also wouldn't mind having Ladd in Vancouver, as long as its not for too much. We don't need any cap restraints whatsoever when we have to resign Horvat, McCann, Virtanen, etc. With Pulock, he is a player who I think could be a great #2 D, which we don't have. We also don't have a #1 D, but I have an idea to fix that: To ANA:VrbataHigginsVeyBriesbois To VAN:Theodore The Ducks need to turn this around NOW. Bringing in a guy like Vrbata is exactly what they need; a guy that can finish. The big guys in Anaheim can get him the puck, and he could also set up on the power-play. The fact that he's on an expiring contract is advantageous, because they need to resign Lindholm, Vatanen, Anderson, etc. in the offseason, and they don't have to commit to Vrbata. Higgins is a guy that will help their bottom-6. Vey is a spare part, but could find his game playing with big guys who can do all the dirty work and still have some skill. Briesbois is a D prospect to replace Theodore. The only reason the Ducks do this is because of their start, and they know that this could be their last year to make a deep run. If both of these deals are done, it ends up like this: Out:VrbataHigginsHamhuisVeyBriesbois In:PulockTheodore We lose two forwards, which makes space for McCann and Virtanen. Losing Hamhuis really hurts our blue line, but I think it will be worth it. Sedin - Sedin - BurrowsBaertschi - Sutter - HansenGaunce - Horvat - VirtanenPrust - McCann - Dorsett Edler - TanevBartkowski - WeberHutton - Sbisa The pain will be worth it for this future top-4: Theodore - PulockHutton - Subban Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 I also wouldn't mind having Ladd in Vancouver, as long as its not for too much. We don't need any cap restraints whatsoever when we have to resign Horvat, McCann, Virtanen, etc. With Pulock, he is a player who I think could be a great #2 D, which we don't have. We also don't have a #1 D, but I have an idea to fix that: To ANA:VrbataHigginsVeyBriesbois To VAN:Theodore The Ducks need to turn this around NOW. Bringing in a guy like Vrbata is exactly what they need; a guy that can finish. The big guys in Anaheim can get him the puck, and he could also set up on the power-play. The fact that he's on an expiring contract is advantageous, because they need to resign Lindholm, Vatanen, Anderson, etc. in the offseason, and they don't have to commit to Vrbata. Higgins is a guy that will help their bottom-6. Vey is a spare part, but could find his game playing with big guys who can do all the dirty work and still have some skill. Briesbois is a D prospect to replace Theodore. The only reason the Ducks do this is because of their start, and they know that this could be their last year to make a deep run. If both of these deals are done, it ends up like this: Out:VrbataHigginsHamhuisVeyBriesbois In:PulockTheodore We lose two forwards, which makes space for McCann and Virtanen. Losing Hamhuis really hurts our blue line, but I think it will be worth it. Sedin - Sedin - BurrowsBaertschi - Sutter - HansenGaunce - Horvat - VirtanenPrust - McCann - Dorsett Edler - TanevBartkowski - WeberHutton - Sbisa The pain will be worth it for this future top-4: Theodore - PulockHutton - Subban Thoughts? keep Vrby, and get a first rounder for him st the TDL. Get Theodore without including Vrby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 keep Vrby, and get a first rounder for him st the TDL. Get Theodore without including Vrby.I'm not sure we could do that unless we throw in guys like Shinkaurik, Boeser, etc. which is out of the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta76 Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 Edited OP again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 On Saturday, July 11, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Delta76 said: Just some ideas I nad for the coming season Edit: Removed Higgins trade Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Baer-Sutter-Vrbata Virtanen-Horvat-Hansen Prust-McCaan -Dorsett Cracknell Edler-Tanev Hamhuis-Sbisa Hutton-Bartkowski Corrado, Weber Was a little of on this starting roster but I am happy with what we ended up with. 9 games/christmas Edit: Virtanen, Hutton and McCann sent down I personally believe that Virtanen will benefit from being sent down but we should keep McCaan up. Sedin-Sedin-Hansen Burrows-Sutter-Vrbata Baertschi-Cracknel-Higgins Prust-Vey-Dorsett Edler-Tanev Hamhuis-Weber/Bart Depth guy-Sbisa Grenier Deadline Some moves are made here... To Mtl Vrbata To Van Mtl 1st Montreal has a scoring issue which Vrbata will help with, could to to Ottawa too as Murray said he will go after a top 6 frwd if he needs one To ? (Depends on his NTC, most likely a contender though) Hamhuis To Van 2016 1st Hamhuis will easily net a 1st from any contenter. We can retain salary if need be as he is UFA at season end. Edit: took out the Weber trade. D-depth is good as much as I dislike weber Edit: Removed Prust trade. Like him here Sedins-Hansen Baer-Sutter-Burrows Higgins-Vey-Dorsett Prust-Cracknell-Grenier Edler-Tanev Bart-Sbisa Weber-Biega Guy Draft Fire Willie Willie just doesn't line match or adapt well. His theory that not playing rookies so they don't make mistakes a little off. We also lack proper breakout or defensive zone systems. There's a lot wrong with this team and firing Willie isn't a quick fix but it's a start and I would rather Travis Greene. To wpg Hansen To Van 2016 3rd (value may be off but oh well) At the draft we now have 3 firsts. This will vastly speed up out rebuild. Ideally we can package 2 firsts and move up to take Chyruchryn and then use the remainder on a top line potential LW and the rest of the 2nds on BPA. Now we have defensive prospect depth with Chyruchryn, 2016 2nds, Hutton, Subban and Brisebois all have top 4 potential. Some will bust but some will over achieve but atleast we have a cuppboard of d prospects. UFA I believe so we have bunch of cap space coming off the books so... Sing Ladd 3yrs 7mil avg Bring back Hammer! 2 years 4 mil avg Lineup in 2016/17 Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Baertschi-Horvat-Ladd Higgins-McCaan -Virtanen Gaunce-Sutter-Dorsett Cracknell/Shink Ideally by midseason virtanen takes Ladds place and Ladd takes Burrows place. Edler-Tanev Hutton-Sbisa Hamhuis-Pedan Biega/Weber This lineup should be able to content for a play off spot... our young guns will have NHL experience and will be backed by the Sedins, Ladd, Miller, Edler and Tanev. One tank season for multiple years of prosperity Flame away, comment, discuss As long as the defence looks like that, this team will continue to suck wind. Edler is not a number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delta76 Posted December 16, 2015 Author Share Posted December 16, 2015 12 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: As long as the defence looks like that, this team will continue to suck wind. Edler is not a number 1. Yeah I realize that this is a problem. To be completely honest I haven't looked into this years UFA too much and a lot depends on who signs a new contract. We are going to suffer on D until we get prospects emerging. That said I think that this lineup would still be competitive in the weak pacific division. The Jets probably can't keep Ladd,Big Buff and Trouba so depending on who they sign maybe we get one of their defensemen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 2 minutes ago, Delta76 said: Yeah I realize that this is a problem. To be completely honest I haven't looked into this years UFA too much and a lot depends on who signs a new contract. We are going to suffer on D until we get prospects emerging. That said I think that this lineup would still be competitive in the weak pacific division. The Jets probably can't keep Ladd,Big Buff and Trouba so depending on who they sign maybe we get one of their defensemen? I think Benning can't wait the five years it will take for defensive prospects to emerge. He will need to make a significant trade to help change the overall makeup of the defense. Either Tanev or Edler must be traded to make this happen as they both hold the highest value from the defensive core, but both lack the physicality and/or offensive flair necessary for a top pair to possess to compete in the West. Nothing personal against either player, as they do have solid TOI and possession numbers, but to try to pretend that they are leaders for an emerging d-core is pure folly. And any forward group that has Burrows and Higgins in it, is bound for failure. Those players, along with Vrbata, Prust, and Dorsett have shown nothing in the way of character or urgency on the ice, in any way, shape, or form. And Ladd has rode the coattails of the two Cups long enough, he's no difference maker. Especially at the price he's looking for. Not thank you sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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