Another Movie Theater Shooting, 8 people shot in Lafayette, Louisiana

[Guest]

You keep trying to use words like idiotic like you're going to piss me off or hurt my feelings.

It's pretty simple.. take your case to SCOTUS. Bam. If your argument is so compelling, SCOTUS will roll over for you. I'm pretty sure doing something useful though will take an easy back seat to pissing and moaning on the internet and trying to take your anger out on pixels.

Classic Ambien - dodge and deflect.

[Mr. Ambien]

Classic Ambien - dodge and deflect.

Classic IdioticRight -- broken record and huge imagination.

[Bill Sikes]

Smashing idea.

But until people buy into this, let's get rid of the ???? guns.

How do you propose to do that? There are half a billion in circulation, even if you banned all sales and manufacture it would take decades or more before there is any noticable difference. The point that seems to have gone totally over your head is, gun control may be a part of the solution, but that alone won't solve the problem.

[Ghostsof1915]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I like Canada's system. Is there room for improvement? Yes.

But having a license to transport and own, and buy and sell is a balanced medium between the US and UK/Australia.

Knowing how to handle them safely, and access to them certainly shows up in the figures.

Canada (deaths per 100,000): 2.22 (2007-11)

US: 10.64

UK: 0.26

Australia: 0.86

Japan: 0.06

I own firearms. And I enjoy going to the range. But I have no desire to shoot someone with them, nor using it on myself. Target shooting is just fine for me.

[Bill Sikes]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I like Canada's system. Is there room for improvement? Yes.

But having a license to transport and own, and buy and sell is a balanced medium between the US and UK/Australia.

Knowing how to handle them safely, and access to them certainly shows up in the figures.

Canada (deaths per 100,000): 2.22 (2007-11)

US: 10.64

UK: 0.26

Australia: 0.86

Japan: 0.06

I own firearms. And I enjoy going to the range. But I have no desire to shoot someone with them, nor using it on myself. Target shooting is just fine for me.

The attitude towards guns is also very different in the listed countries. In the UK and Japan they have long histories of war being a game for the nobles, average citizens rarely owned weapons, Canada and Australia were British colonies, and still have fairly strong ties to Britian and have laws based on the British system, the US rebelled against Britian and needed everyone to be armed to succeed, and kept those laws as they felt at the time they needed every able bodied man to be armed to survive against the existing European powers as the Indian nations.

[skolozsy2]

I don't know....you seem to believe in the fairy tale that says more guns equals a safer society...

Not too nitpick, but it also seems that you believe in the fairytale that more laws and regulations equals a safer society.

Perhaps if the government implemented pertaining laws and regulations, there wouldn't be speeding, drugs, robberies, murders, rapes, etc...

[RUPERTKBD]

Not too nitpick, but it also seems that you believe in the fairytale that more laws and regulations equals a safer society.

Perhaps if the government implemented pertaining laws and regulations, there wouldn't be speeding, drugs, robberies, murders, rapes, etc...

Actually, I do. Canada has more laws and regulations than the US does and I believe that we absolutely have a safer society. Ditto, the UK, Germany, Japan (a few other countries with martial histories) and just about every other first world country on earth.

You can point to negative statistics for certain areas of the US where they may have more restrictive laws, but until such laws are made the standard for the entire country, they're pretty much useless. If someone can't get what they want in Chicago, but can get virtually anything in Gary, Indiana, (a 1/2 hour drive) it's almost as if the Chicago laws don't exist.

As far as your second paragraph goes, there are laws pertaining to those, but I fail to see the relevance, as I've never claimed that laws and/or regulation will completely eliminate any type of crime.

The best we can hope for is to lower the rates of such crimes. It doesn't sound like much, but when you look at lowering the rate of firearm deaths in the context of actual human lives, it becomes something worth doing, IMHO.

[Hugor Hill]

The attitude towards guns is also very different in the listed countries. In the UK and Japan they have long histories of war being a game for the nobles, average citizens rarely owned weapons, Canada and Australia were British colonies, and still have fairly strong ties to Britian and have laws based on the British system, the US rebelled against Britian and needed everyone to be armed to succeed, and kept those laws as they felt at the time they needed every able bodied man to be armed to survive against the existing European powers as the Indian nations.

Great.... let's impose and enforce stricter gun laws. Their 'feelings' are irrelevant.

[Bill Sikes]

Great.... let's impose and enforce stricter gun laws. Their 'feelings' are irrelevant.

Great.... let's impose and enforce stricter gun laws. Their 'feelings' are irrelevant.

See post #70, stick with the tour

[Jaimito]

Rick Perry: Let us take our guns to the movies http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/26/politics/rick-perry-gun-free-zones-movie-theaters/index.html

[hsedin33]

Yeah, if you're the unsuspecting target you are generally fracked. The same could be said for bad guys wielding knives or baseball bats.

If you're an armed spectator, you have the potential to stop the bloodshed. Otherwise you are just a sitting duck.

You realize everyone down there is already allowed to carry a gun right? Where were all the good guys carrying guns on every mass single shooting in the last 5 years? Ironically, the only one I've heard of was the guy up here in Canada not too long ago, where it is illegal to carry around firearms.

[riffraff]

You realize everyone down there is already allowed to carry a gun right? Where were all the good guys carrying guns on every mass single shooting in the last 5 years? Ironically, the only one I've heard of was the guy up here in Canada not too long ago, where it is illegal to carry around firearms.

Amish rake fighter was responding to my post shearing your question. He provided the only story I've heard about some Charles Bronson type actually defending him/family self.

By the time some psycho storms a theatre it's too late.

[Mr. Ambien]

You realize everyone down there is already allowed to carry a gun right? Where were all the good guys carrying guns on every mass single shooting in the last 5 years? Ironically, the only one I've heard of was the guy up here in Canada not too long ago, where it is illegal to carry around firearms.

Then you might want to question why you never "hear of it". It's no surprise at all to me there are an abundance of CDC members who don't think these situations occur often, because they're too busy whining about every time FOX News is cited, while they cite or selectively read retarded liberal media who, if they even cover these heroic instances, they're buried where only a search engine bot will find it, or where it's reported locally and not nationally/internationally. It's only the tragedies they wish to cover and plaster all over the front page because it fits the narrative the anti-gun sophists cater to. So, in 2015 alone (never mind the ambiguous 5 years), there have been several notable instances already, with still plenty of time to go:

Rockdale County, Georgia

http://www.rockdalenews.com/section/1/article/22290/

There were three customers, who weren't injured in the incident, inside the liquor store.

One customer, Todd Scott, returned fired from a handgun from the back of the store at Pitts, effectively saving the lives of those around him, according to Rockdale Eric Levett.

"I consider him to be a hero," said Levett about the 44-year-old Covington resident. "Although we did have a fatality at that location, he did save some other lives that were inside that business."

Levett wouldn't say how many times each victim was shot or if Scott, who has a Georgia license to carry weapons, made contact with Pitts.

It was reportedly the first time the Porterdale restaurant owner had had to fire his handgun.

"I'm not a hero. I just did what I thought should be done," Scott later told WSB-TV. "I definitely wasn't going to lie on the floor and take it."

Albuquerque, New Mexico:

http://krqe.com/2015/05/08/albuquerque-police-to-release-new-info-in-skate-park-shooting/

One of the photos APD released Friday clearly shows Lewis holding a gun an pointing it at a group of people who are huddled behind a metal post.

“Here’s Jaquise Lewis again, after our second victim has been shot, with a gun in his hand, pointing it at a group of people who are behind this Los Altos pillar,” said Officer Tanner Tixier, a spokesman for the Albuquerque Police department.

According to police, Lewis was shot right after he was seen firing a gun at the group by a white man in a red shirt. APD says they’ve interviewed the shooter multiple times. The department says after multiple meetings with the Bernalillo County District Attorney’s Office, they’ve determined that the man who killed Lewis was firing his gun in self-defense.

For now, APD says the person who shot Lewis will not be charged.

“We’ve all come to the conclusion that at this point, Jaquise Lewis was shot in self defense. Could those circumstances change? Possibly, but we need information to make those circumstances change,” said Tixier.

Chicago, Illinois

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-uber-driver-shoots-gunman-met-0420-20150419-story.html?reddit

Authorities say no charges will be filed against an Uber driver who shot and wounded a gunman who opened fire on a crowd of people in Logan Square over the weekend.

The driver had a concealed-carry permit and acted in the defense of himself and others, Assistant State's Attorney Barry Quinn said in court Sunday.

A group of people had been walking in front of the driver around 11:50 p.m. Friday in the 2900 block of North Milwaukee Avenue when Everardo Custodio, 22, began firing into the crowd, Quinn said.

The driver pulled out a handgun and fired six shots at Custodio, hitting him several times, according to court records. Responding officers found Custodio lying on the ground, bleeding, Quinn said. No other injuries were reported.

Custodio was taken to Advocate Illinois Masonic hospital, where he was treated for gunshot wounds to the shin, thigh and lower back, authorities said.

Custodio, of the 2900 block of North Ridgeway Avenue, was charged with aggravated assault and unlawful use of a weapon charges. He was denied bond during the Sunday court hearing.

The Uber driver, a 47-year-old resident of Little Italy, provided police with a valid concealed-carry permit and a firearm owner's identification card, Quinn said.

West Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-Shot-in-the-Chest-Inside-West-Philly-Barbershop-297176271.html

Gunman Shot, Killed Inside West Philly Barbershop

Police say a man likely saved the lives of several people when he shot and killed a gunman inside a West Philadelphia barbershop.

A 40-year-old man was inside Falah Barber Shop Inc. on the 600 block of Preston Street shortly before 3 p.m. Sunday when police say he began fighting with another person inside.

"They were arguing," said 16-year-old Yusaf Mack who was a customer inside the shop at the time. "They were taking it too far and one of the barbers said, 'chill out.'"

The fight quickly escalated and the 40-year-old man took out his gun and opened fire on customers and barbers, police said.

"I heard gunshots so I ducked and I ran," said Mack.

As he was shooting, another man outside heard the gunfire, ran into the shop and took out his own gun, according to investigators. He then opened fire, striking the 40-year-old man once in the chest.

Police said there were children inside the shop at the time but no one else was hurt.

The man who killed the gunman later surrendered to police at the 16th District Headquarters. Investigators say at this point it appears the shooting was in self-defense and the man likely will not face any charges. They continue to investigate however.

"The person who responded was a legal gun permit carrier," said Philadelphia Police Captain Frank Llewellyn. "He responded and I guess he saved a lot of people in there."

I would be more than happy to post a thread each time a mass shooting is stopped, to match the mass shooting threads that pop up here, but we know what the response from CDC members will be:

- Wahhh stop spamming the forums

- Wahhh you're an NRA gun nut redneck teabagger Albertan (despite the fact that I don't use dumb slogans like "good guys" and "bad guys")

- Wahhh you're not creating new discussion

- Wahhh FOX News / *tears flow about source*

Would be as useful as trying to go into a church telling people their religion is made up and full of ****.

[riffraff]

Then you might want to question why you never "hear of it". It's no surprise at all to me there are an abundance of CDC members who don't think these situations occur often, because they're too busy whining about every time FOX News is cited, while they cite or selectively read retarded liberal media who, if they even cover these heroic instances, they're buried where only a search engine bot will find it, or where it's reported locally and not nationally/internationally. It's only the tragedies they wish to cover and plaster all over the front page because it fits the narrative the anti-gun sophists cater to. So, in 2015 alone (never mind the ambiguous 5 years), there have been several notable instances already, with still plenty of time to go:

Rockdale County, Georgia

http://www.rockdalenews.com/section/1/article/22290/

Albuquerque, New Mexico:

http://krqe.com/2015/05/08/albuquerque-police-to-release-new-info-in-skate-park-shooting/

Chicago, Illinois

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-uber-driver-shoots-gunman-met-0420-20150419-story.html?reddit

West Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Man-Shot-in-the-Chest-Inside-West-Philly-Barbershop-297176271.html

Well thanks for providing some elusive coverage of the hero by gun.

Thank &^@# I don't live in the states, or near any major city for that matter.

[Mr. Ambien]

Well thanks for providing some elusive coverage of the hero by gun.

Thank frack I don't live in the states, or near any major city for that matter.

That's why over the last several years I acquired guns which I keep locked up in the US in storage (one in California, one in Montana), having lived in a country for a handful of years where such reckless and random violence occurs, the need to protect one's self and family, I find, are of the utmost importance, especially if you're in one of these craphole major cities like Philly, Detroit, SF, LA, Cleveland, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc.). I don't expect every time I visit the US to encounter gun toting murderers, but given the unpredictability of incidents like this, it's all about being prepared in case it does happen. I don't feel that need in Canada which is why I'm lazy about pursuing a firearm here (just have a few old security cams I want to replace so I can get reimbursed for any property crimes, which are prevalent in Canada).

[hsedin33]

Amish rake fighter was responding to my post shearing your question. He provided the only story I've heard about some Charles Bronson type actually defending him/family self.

By the time some psycho storms a theatre it's too late.

Pretty much.

Imagine if everyone needed to carry a loaded gun to a movie theatre just in case a mass murder broke out. Imagine day in, day out, you felt you had to carry a loaded gun around because you are afraid something might happen. Imagine everybody had a loaded gun at their disposal at all times during the day, during the good times and the bad. Imagine all the gun crime that would happen.. oh wait...

[Mr. Ambien]

Pretty much.

Imagine if everyone needed to carry a loaded gun to a movie theatre just in case a mass murder broke out. Imagine day in, day out, you felt you had to carry a loaded gun around because you are afraid something might happen. Imagine everybody had a loaded gun at their disposal at all times during the day, during the good times and the bad. Imagine all the gun crime that would happen.. oh wait...

Looks like a whole lot of useless imagination -- the real world will do just fine for me.

[riffraff]

That's why over the last several years I acquired guns which I keep locked up in the US in storage (one in California, one in Montana), having lived in a country for a handful of years where such reckless and random violence occurs, the need to protect one's self and family, I find, are of the utmost importance, especially if you're in one of these craphole major cities like Philly, Detroit, SF, LA, Cleveland, Baltimore, Atlanta, etc.). I don't expect every time I visit the US to encounter gun toting murderers, but given the unpredictability of incidents like this, it's all about being prepared in case it does happen. I don't feel that need in Canada which is why I'm lazy about pursuing a firearm here (just have a few old security cams I want to replace so I can get reimbursed for any property crimes, which are prevalent in Canada).

I understand to some degree. I've never lived in the U.S.

But surely outside of random mass shootings, which i still don't agree that on average are defendable, common street smarts and being self aware must provide one with the ability to avoid a situation involving the requirements of a gun for self defence.

From your postings you are capable of living in areas that would not be considered dangerous. No?

[Mr. Ambien]

I understand to some degree. I've never lived in the U.S.

But surely outside of random mass shootings, which i still don't agree that on average are defendable, common street smarts and being self aware must provide one with the ability to avoid a situation involving the requirements of a gun for self defence.

From your postings you are capable of living in areas that would not be considered dangerous. No?

Street smarts will only get you so far.

The problem is, in the US, your chances are far far far far higher than in Canada of encountering random violence (and deadly random violence) for no reason other than existing.

And yes, I religiously research low crime areas when deciding where in a city to move (because I'm a city person that research is invaluable), and we're in a part of NW Calgary that has among the lowest crime rates of the city. However, I also work downtown -- which you can't avoid. Sometimes, rather than beat up my truck or hybrid SUV driving it around to work, I'll take the C-Train. Things happen there too. Crime is pretty high downtown, especially if you happen to be there in the evening. It's the same thing in US cities, only amplified in danger, plus the fact that dangerous people are more than willing to go into safe neighbourhoods to commit violent crimes against people there, which is not really so much a problem in Calgary (until they allow secondary suites of course) or in Canada as a whole. In Canada, property crime tends to be associated with property crime alone, not so much violent, but in the US, it is very much associated with violent crimes.

That's why, even in a good neighbourhood in the US, I'd still have a gun or two upstairs in our bedroom. Smarts will undoubtedly help, don't get the impression that I'm being dismissive of it, because 99 out of 100 times smarts will likely be a deciding factor in keeping you safe. When I was in high school in SF my mother let me stay out until past midnight, I'd hang out with friends, get drunk and stoned, and all the good stuff, but then I'd have to walk home (the buses at the time were only prevalent in the business districts) past several gangs of people. For the most part, they were Hispanic gangs, Nortenos and Surenos. I've seen them beat people to a pulp and stab them, I've seen them pull guns on people but not actually witnessed them shoot anyone. But I was left alone because 1) they knew me, and knew I was not a threat to them (and to a small degree that I was big enough to defend myself), and 2) I didn't fit the profile of a rival gang member -- not Hispanic, not Black, not Asian. I mean, I've literally had guys surround and block my car with theirs, get out with guns, knives, and bats, and look me over, asking me if I was some Hispanic dude (like Jose or Juan something), I was like do I look Hispanic, and they apologized and went away. No doubt things might be different if I decided to be in another part of town.

But the issue is that 1 time where smarts means nothing, when you have instances like the ones I cited where you're getting a hair cut or in a theatre and some person randomly walks in and starts spraying. That would be the case where you want people carrying, and since you can't predict when those situations occur, it's just smarter to CC overall when in the states. In my case, I'm lazy, and don't want to shoot my bollocks off, so I tend to have my wife carry my gun in her purse when it involves sitting down, like a theatre, or restaurant.

Anyways, I'd normally edit the crap out of this post, but I'm in lazymode.

[riffraff]

Street smarts will only get you so far.

The problem is, in the US, your chances are far far far far higher than in Canada of encountering random violence (and deadly random violence) for no reason other than existing.

And yes, I religiously research low crime areas when deciding where in a city to move (because I'm a city person that research is invaluable), and we're in a part of NW Calgary that has among the lowest crime rates of the city. However, I also work downtown -- which you can't avoid. Sometimes, rather than beat up my truck or hybrid SUV driving it around to work, I'll take the C-Train. Things happen there too. Crime is pretty high downtown, especially if you happen to be there in the evening. It's the same thing in US cities, only amplified in danger, plus the fact that dangerous people are more than willing to go into safe neighbourhoods to commit violent crimes against people there, which is not really so much a problem in Calgary (until they allow secondary suites of course) or in Canada as a whole. In Canada, property crime tends to be associated with property crime alone, not so much violent, but in the US, it is very much associated with violent crimes.

That's why, even in a good neighbourhood in the US, I'd still have a gun or two upstairs in our bedroom. Smarts will undoubtedly help, don't get the impression that I'm being dismissive of it, because 99 out of 100 times smarts will likely be a deciding factor in keeping you safe. When I was in high school in SF my mother let me stay out until past midnight, I'd hang out with friends, get drunk and stoned, and all the good stuff, but then I'd have to walk home (the buses at the time were only prevalent in the business districts) past several gangs of people. For the most part, they were Hispanic gangs, Nortenos and Surenos. I've seen them beat people to a pulp and stab them, I've seen them pull guns on people but not actually witnessed them shoot anyone. But I was left alone because 1) they knew me, and knew I was not a threat to them (and to a small degree that I was big enough to defend myself), and 2) I didn't fit the profile of a rival gang member -- not Hispanic, not Black, not Asian. I mean, I've literally had guys surround and block my car with theirs, get out with guns, knives, and bats, and look me over, asking me if I was some Hispanic dude (like Jose or Juan something), I was like do I look Hispanic, and they apologized and went away. No doubt things might be different if I decided to be in another part of town.

But the issue is that 1 time where smarts means nothing, when you have instances like the ones I cited where you're getting a hair cut or in a theatre and some person randomly walks in and starts spraying. That would be the case where you want people carrying, and since you can't predict when those situations occur, it's just smarter to CC overall when in the states. In my case, I'm lazy, and don't want to shoot my bollocks off, so I tend to have my wife carry my gun in her purse when it involves sitting down, like a theatre, or restaurant.

Anyways, I'd normally edit the crap out of this post, but I'm in lazymode.

Apparent that one would have to spend some years living in the U.S. To understand the environment and psyche.

I'll have to research into the avg Americans violent experience history.