The Weasel Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Sean Couturier just got 4.3 per. Can't see how Sutter gets more than him. Jim Benning. Luca Sbisa 3.6/season Derek Dorsett 2.65/season i wouldn't put anything by Benning. I could see 5 mill x 4 years. The dude just overpays for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 5 million likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Sean Couturier just got 4.3 per. Can't see how Sutter gets more than him. Sutter IMO is better right now than Couturier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 There should be poll for this thread. Nothing more than 3.5 mil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpt Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 There should be poll for this thread. Nothing more than 3.5 mil That ain't happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 There should be poll for this thread. Nothing more than 3.5 mil That ain't happening He would get 4.5+ on the UFA market, he is going to get over 4 I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Bagues Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Couturier is pretty comparable to Sutter, though Sean has slightly better numbers and is younger. Vermette makes 3.75. Stajan makes 3.125 Ribeiro makes 3.5 Hanzal makes 3.1 I'd put Sutter around those guys. 3.25-3.5 seems right for Sutter. He's at the tip of his peak, so it's not going to change much going forward. 3 to 4 years until McCann, Cassels etc... are ready. Anymore would be dumb, like giving Umberger 4.6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Team Bagues Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 He would get 4.5+ on the UFA market, he is going to get over 4 I'd say. 4.5 would be bad valuation by a GM. 4.5 starts getting in to Mike Fisher or Jeff Carter money. Sutter ain't either of those guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Anything north of 50% is good enough. Came up pretty big in the playoffs last year btw Unless you can put up over 53% consistently faceoffs really don't matters as much as people think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 There should be poll for this thread. Nothing more than 3.5 mil That ain't happening Then I don't want him. Trade him on deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disaronno Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Can't see him getting more than what Beleskey got in Free Agency. Obviously different players... but belong on the same level. 3.75 x 4 would make a ton of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Sutter IMO is better right now than CouturierBarely. SC should move ahead next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdatb Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Pens fans were overjoyed to dump this guy. Seems to remind me of another player... from Anaheim... Ah right, Luca Sbisa. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 to resign him before season starts id say under 4m. 5yr 3.85m cap hit per see how he does if he plays well then a cap hit of 4-4.25m hopefully no more, would hate to see him get north of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 No idea what Benning will pay, but a 3-4 year term for $3.75-4.0 seems pretty reasonable. Kind of hefty price tag for a 3C but he can also move up if needed. That also kind of leads into when you would think Cassels would be ready to take over that spot. Assuming a couple more years before he hits the NHL regularly, and then a couple years on the 4th line and moving up during injury fill ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Hes worth a 3.3mil/2 year contract to me. But ~4.2mil/3-4 years is probably what will be signed. this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Unless you can put up over 53% consistently faceoffs really don't matters as much as people think. You are completely out of it, if you aren't winning at least 50% of your face offs, that means half the time after a whistle, the opponent has possession... Offensively, and defensively... That is huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I must be missing something. Does Sutter have something over Bonino? It seems that Bonino gets more points than Sutter. The only thing I can see is his size. Beyond that, I don't see how he's worth more. Can anyone enlighten me? Well Sutter was playing behind Malkin and Crosby Bonino defaulted into the second line here. Reverse the two and I am guessing the stats change. These are reasonable comments. Bonino had more favorable placements (2C in Van, 1st unit PP in Anaheim) so it is arguable that his stats overstate his true value relative to Sutter. All things considered I would concede that Sutter is probably slightly better than Bonino. But Bonino was only getting 1.9 million and the Canucks gave up a lot to get that slight improvement -- and for a guy with only one year left on his contract, after which the Canucks will have to pay the UFA rate (which they are about to do in an extension.). Based on his production, Sutter's current cap hit of $3.3 million would be decent value for a UFA. I would be happy with $3.5 million a year for 3 years. But I expect Benning to overpay. After all, I have to admit that Sutter is worth more than Sbisa. My prediction is $4 million a year for 3 more years. But I have a sneaking fear the number will be even higher. What I do not like about this trade is that it probably does make the team better for 2015-16 -- not good enough to make the playoffs but good enough to be close, preventing the team from trading assets for picks at the deadline and giving the Canucks a mid-level pick instead of a high first round pick in the 2016 draft. Also, the Canucks gave up a long second round pick next year for what is probably going to be a high third round pick and they gave up a good prospect (Clendening). And they are going to burn up future cap room on the extension. So I think the Canucks gave up a lot in the future for a small current improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robongo Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Baffles me why he makes 3.3 right now. I'm with you on this. He's a bit overpaid atm(on a RFA contract), so I am definitely not looking forward to seeing this extension. It's going to be absolutely awful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavinh8 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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