Kartboy16 Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'd be interested to see Baertchi with Sutter and Vrby. Baertchi's playmaking acumen would be nice with two right shot options, one in the slot and the other back door. I feel like Burr would be redundant since Sutter could handle fore check/ puck retrieval duties for the line which opens up Burr to provide those duties for he twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greetingsfrombrazil Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I doubt we see Burrows with the Sedins. Last year they only took Vrbata off that line to help with secondary scoring. This season, with the emergence of Sutter/Horvat/Baertschi we won't have to do that. 1: Sedin-Sedin-Vrbata 2a: Baertschi-Sutter-Burrows 2b: Higgins-Horvat-Hansen 4: Prust-Vey-Dorsett PP1: Sedin-Sedin-Vrbata PP2: Sutter-Horvat-Burrows/Baertschi If Sutter can be a 50 point guy for us, I think our lineup actually looks pretty good. Only thing that disgusts me is Vey as 4th line C. Would much rather see Gaunce or Cassels in that spot. I'd rather have Prust at C and play Kenins and Dorsett on his wings. That would be a very good line 4th line IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Sedin - Sedin - Vrbata Baertschi - Sutter - Burrows Virtanen/Higgins - Horvat - Hansen Kenins - Prust - Dorsett Vey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Sedin Sedin Vrbata Bear Sutter Burrows Kenins Horvat Virtanen Prust Vey Dorsett Higgins plus Hansen dealt prior to season start...We must get the Young Guns going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I doubt we see Burrows with the Sedins. Last year they only took Vrbata off that line to help with secondary scoring. I'm not so sure about that. Some of the late season interviews (can't find the quotes right now) with the Sedins suggested, while they were too classy to say it outright, that as the season wore on, they became less convinced there was the right "fit" with Vrbata at even strength (5v5) and that they felt that Burrows was better suited to supporting their playing style (specifically in terms of forechecking, puck retrieval, net presence, maintaining possession/extending zonetime, and defensive ability). Coach Desjardins also seemed to share a similar view: When asked on Wednesday who should play with the twins, head coach Willie Desjardins said: “I think they need a guy who will go to the net. I think if they have a guy there, they’ll get the puck there. “I think they need a guy who is a little bit hard on the forecheck. A guy who can get in there and be a little bit of a physical presence. “As well, as a guy who can (backcheck).” Vrbata, of course, is not really any of those things. http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Botchford+Canuck+management+five+moments/11015041/story.html There's also the question of whether or not Benning has already targeted Vrbata for a trade at the 2016 deadline (likely with picks/prospects coming back). If Vrbata's on his way out of Vancouver, then it might make sense to get a jump on his departure so that the team isn't forced to adjust their first line personnel following the potential "sell off" at the trade deadline. EDIT: Plus Benning was rather infamously (Botchford/Gallagher) linked to comments that were highly critical of Vrbata as a player who stayed too much "on the perimeter" and who "doesn't want the puck": http://www.theprovince.com/Video+What+could+Canucks+Sbisa+Vrbata/11014743/story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Sedin/Sedin/Burrows Baer/Sutter/Vrbata Higgins/Vey/Prust Dorsett/Horvat/Hansen Kennins/Grenier Edler/Tanev Hamhuis/Weber Sbisa/Bart Corrado Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Sedin-sedin-burrows Bear-Sutter-Vrbata Higgy-Horvat-Hansen Prust-Vey-Dor PP Sedin-sedin-Sutter Bear-Horvat-Vrbata I think the 5-on-5 lines given above are almost certain to be how things go, except that I think Virtanen will get a look early in the season (and then will return to Junior). But Vrbata will be on the first unit PP with the Sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 While much has been made of Sutter being a better fit with the Canucks than Bonino due to Sutter's faceoff ability and being a right handed shot, there remains the issue that on the Canucks' 2nd line Vrbata remains as a sniper, while Sutter has never had a season where he's shown much as a playmaker. Since he entered the NHL in 2008-9 Sutter has never had as many as 20 assists in any regular season. In 4 of the past 6 seasons Sutter has more goals than assists, once the same number of goals as assists and one season his assists exceeded his goals-by one. He also scored more goals than assists in his last junior season (though not in his previous two.) On the face of it that doesn't seem the best choice of center to put with a team's leading goal scorer. Whether Burrows or someone else plays on Sutter's RW, offensively Sutter and Vrbata don't seem a good fit to me. It is possible that Baertchi could be the line's playmaker, but otherwise imo it is more likely Vrbata plays with someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borvat Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 My fear is Vey will end up on RW and I see WD doing something like this: Sedin - Sedin - Burrows (just works too well / perect combination) Baertschi - Sutter - Vrbata Higgins - Horvat - Vey Dorsett - Prust - Hansen This is what I would like: Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Baertschi-Horvat-Vrbata Virtaanen-Sutter-Hansen Higgins-Prust-Dorsett Vey and Kennins are extras. Horvat is an excellent passer and needs skilled wingers. Sutter would be better with speedy north south wingers like Hansen and Virt. The fourth line is responsible and can eat up 10+ minutes every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuongo Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 3rd line with Higgy/Hansen. Have you guys even watched Sutter play? He isn't much of a playmaker, why would we want him feeding our two snipers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 While much has been made of Sutter being a better fit with the Canucks than Bonino due to Sutter's faceoff ability and being a right handed shot, there remains the issue that on the Canucks' 2nd line Vrbata remains as a sniper, while Sutter has never had a season where he's shown much as a playmaker. Since he entered the NHL in 2008-9 Sutter has never had as many as 20 assists in any regular season. In 4 of the past 6 seasons Sutter has more goals than assists, once the same number of goals as assists and one season his assists exceeded his goals-by one. He also scored more goals than assists in his last junior season (though not in his previous two.) On the face of it that doesn't seem the best choice of center to put with a team's leading goal scorer. Whether Burrows or someone else plays on Sutter's RW, offensively Sutter and Vrbata don't seem a good fit to me. It is possible that Baertchi could be the line's playmaker, but otherwise imo it is more likely Vrbata plays with someone else. The underlined is your answer. Baer will be the playmaker, Vrbata the primary shooter, Sutter the defensive presence, secondary shooter that gets puck possession via faceoffs and relentless puck pursuit. That complements the other two quite nicely IMO. Plus, Vrbata is likely moved by/at the deadline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragoedia Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I'm no false optimist. I believe this team and I know they can win. I don't believe in the past 4 idiotic benning trades though. Juice, Eddie, kassian and now the bone show is gone... Not until he proves himself. Haven't heard much positive from pens fans either What? You were my favorite?! On topic, I'd say Vrbata. It depends on who gets "second line" mates and who gets "third line" mates between him and Bo. Bo could possibly take Vrbata and Baertschi and drop Sutter to Higgins and Hansen, which would make a sick checking line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndComingOfLinden Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Has to be Burrows. We need Vrbata to have the best statistical season as possible, and that will be with the twins. Vrbata with the twins will keep his value the highest, and that will be huge come trade deadline if we become sellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I think Burr could play on any one of our lines, but think he should be put with Sutter. They should build chemistry both 5 on 5 and on the pp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 With Burrows and Sutter playing together our second line becomes our shutdown line. Not sure where Baer fits in though as I think he would do better on a more offesnive minded line and not matched up against other teams best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNeil Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 We are all just guessing at this point. But I think Vrbata will go back with the Sedins. He was signed for that reason.....then when the second line couldn't do anything last year, he was moved down to jumpstart them. Not cause he sucked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Sedin-Sedin-Burrows Baertschi-Sutter/Horvat-Vrbata Kenins-Horvat/Sutter-Hansen Prust-Cassels-Dorsett Edler-Corrado Sbisa-Tanev Hamhuis-Weber Miller Markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canut Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Super weird to hear how much you people think Baertschi is an NHLer. Serious doubts on him making the team next year. I haven't seen anything about him that will get playing time with our coach. Willie won't play him unless he is bigger and tougher. Sutter will play on our second line. With Vrbata and another winger. No way is Horvat on a wing, he's a great faceoff man. So is Sutter. They're centers. Who will play with Sutter? Who will play with Horvat? Who will play with the Sedins? Ultimately that will be decided later. If you had to guess, I'd say every winger on the roster will take turns. The Canucks have a decent bunch of guys down the middle. The wingers will earn their spots. Only Daniel has a sure spot next season, the rest will be competing for the best line they can be on. Baertschi will be competing to be on the team, from what I saw last season he stinks. He isn't very good at all. His numbers show he has some skill. Let's hope he works out and gets tougher in the offseason. In the West hockey is pretty much for guys who aren't easily knocked around. That said I'd love to see that kid bulk up and play for us well. But all this Baertschi on the second line talk is super ridiculous to anyone who understands this team. Here's my prediction on opening night (current roster) Sedin-Sedin-Vrbata Higgins-Sutter-Burrows Kennins-Horvat-Hansen Dorsett-Vey-Prust Seems pretty obvious. Younger guys will really have to earn it, and with injuries being unavoidable they will get their chances. Baertschi and Virtanen and the rest of the young bloods will have to impress old Willie the Lizard man and he's a guy who found reason to bench Kennins last year. Which is F_______ing crazy. Good luck young guys, you got your work cut out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Really? 3 games with a new team + playoffs and you call him a non-NHLer? He's no Sam Bennett - who was 18 last year in case anyone forgot - but seriously. Give him training camp to adjust before calling him a bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I know he's a center but sutter could be a great fit with the twins? Fast skater that can forecheck and has a great shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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