DeNiro Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 These closing statements are nauseous Just a bunch of empty rhetoric like always. Even if you hate Trump, I think people are drawn to him because he doesn't talk like a politician. Even though most of the stuff he says is idiotic, at least he's not afraid to say it. I think him being ahead in the votes is more of a vote against traditional politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 The same thing happened in Alberta here with our election. The PC's needed the boot, but Albertans brought in Torts with Notley. (I didn't vote for her.) She's been a disaster since arriving, which is why this election concerns me a lot. Everyone just wants the PC's out, understandably, but we might go from bad to worse here. I don't trust either Justin or Thomas. Gonna be a long election.I think it's fitting that Mulcair was, in very monotone fashion, invoking Obama's slogans, given how terrible Obama has been. Sounds like the perfect harbinger to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 given how terrible Obama has been. Opinion, not fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Opinion, not fact. I find statements like that laughable as he's actually done quite a lot of good. But they'll never listen Much like Harper has done a lot of ill. But they'll never listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armada Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 "No one believes you" - Justin Trudeau. Loved that line to Harper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I wish they would do a tally of how many things Harper said that were completely untrue. I'm willing to bet it was way more than all the others combined. The sad thing is the majority of people who do actually get off their butts and vote probably buy his propaganda BS without checking the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Good. now shhh big people are talking about the debate It's like the political intellectual equivalent of "my daddy drove a Ford/Chevy/Dodge..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 as he's actually done quite a lot of good. I don't agree with you on anything but respect that you have some knowledge of politics and a passionate opinion. But to say Obama has done a good job just wiped out 67% of your credibility. Iran, Obama care, keystone. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I wish they would do a tally of how many things Harper said that were completely untrue. I'm willing to bet it was way more than all the others combined. The sad thing is the majority of people who do actually get off their butts and vote probably buy his propaganda BS without checking the facts. They also probably didnt watch the debate... Its too bad Mulcair's scripted speeches are always so poor, as I thought his participation during the debate was quite strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 It's like the political intellectual equivalent of "my daddy drove a Ford/Chevy/Dodge..." Hey now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I don't agree with you on anything but respect that you have some knowledge of politics and a passionate opinion. But to say Obama has done a good job just wiped out 67% of your credibility. Iran, Obama care, keystone. That is all. Are you listing good things now? Because those are all positive actions. -Less fear and hatred -Helping people -Avoiding dangerous environmental pipelines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Iran, Obama care, keystone. And what about these things has he done poorly on? Should he have simply bombed Iran like McCain proposed? Obamacare has already proven to be working despite what Fox News wants you to believe. And as far as Keystone goes, nothing has been decided one way or another. There's also alot more intricacies to this deal that anyone outside of his position couldn't possibly understand. Like balancing relationships with other allies in the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armada Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I don't agree with you on anything but respect that you have some knowledge of politics and a passionate opinion. But to say Obama has done a good job just wiped out 67% of your credibility. Iran, Obama care, keystone. That is all. How did you calculate 67%? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 How did you calculate 67%? Stroking the Abacus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I hope that she can claim a few more seats here in the west. Without representation in Ontario or Quebec though i don't think the Greens have a chance. universal representation might not even help until she and her party can successfully hold multiple seats for a few terms. She is absolutely on point with everything she's said it's amazing to watch really if you follow Canadian politics, a politician with her intelligence and passion With voter reform she'd probably get 5-15 seats to work with and stand a small chance of actually affecting policy/debate. A couple elections in and people also might start to view her party as a viable option and not just a "wasted vote". What a glorious world that would be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 I don't agree with you on anything but respect that you have some knowledge of politics and a passionate opinion.But to say Obama has done a good job just wiped out 67% of your credibility.Iran, Obama care, keystone.That is all.Lying, warrantless wiretaps, defending Bush policies, added way more debt than Bush ever could, Benghazi, and just about everything Snowden's uncovered about him.Obama blows.If Mulcair wants to associate himself with that, sucks for him. I think he underestimates though how many voters are going to see right through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 With voter reform she'd probably get 5-15 seats to work with and stand a small chance of actually affecting policy/debate. A couple elections in and people also might start to view her party as a viable option and not just a "wasted vote". What a glorious world that would be... If the Greens can break in to Ontario and secure 3 more seats in the west coast/islands area like some believe they can with the candidates they have I firmly believe the momentum will only grow with future elections for them But Ontario is the key ground because to them as of right now May has as much credibility as the Bloq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 Stroking the Abacus. It sounds more like something you pulled out of a cookie jar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 By the by. In case people missed it Mulcair got Harper to admit that the country IS in a recession. Harper realized and absolutely miserably tried backtracking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted August 7, 2015 Share Posted August 7, 2015 And what about these things has he done poorly on? Should he have simply bombed Iran like McCain proposed? Obamacare has already proven to be working despite what Fox News wants you to believe. And as far as Keystone goes, nothing has been decided one way or another. There's also alot more intricacies to this deal that anyone outside of his position couldn't possibly understand. Like balancing relationships with other allies in the Middle East. The nuclear deal lifts economic sanctions against Iran. Saudi Arabia and Iran are mortal enemies. Obama has funded Iran for a war. Obama opposes the Keystone Pipeline. The biggest step towards NA energy independence. People who cry about pipelines need to look at the oil in the ocean. The blood on the desert sand. All in the name of OPEC. Compare that with the oil released through pipeline, that automatically isolates the ruptured section on pressure drop. The only reason he opposed this was to keep Opec relevant. If that pipeline ever happened our oil wealth would make Norway look like Venezuela. Obama care is a good concept, it's just too bad they need to borrow the money from China to pay for it. It will bankrupt America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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