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I'm wondering just how close Canada is to an NDP fed government. I don't think the conservatives or even the liberals have even given it any considerable thought. Just seemed out of the realm of political possibility in Canada. But considering what happened in Alberta, anything's possible.

Also wondering if a Liberal-NDP coalition majority could work out. I think Trudeau probably wants to appeal to the lobbyists, so he may want to shy away from it. Too bad. He's wasted 'trudeaumania' and now appears more and more like a younger Harper.

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I'm wondering just how close Canada is to an NDP fed government. I don't think the conservatives or even the liberals have even given it any considerable thought. Just seemed out of the realm of political possibility in Canada. But considering what happened in Alberta, anything's possible.

Also wondering if a Liberal-NDP coalition majority could work out. I think Trudeau probably wants to appeal to the lobbyists, so he may want to shy away from it. Too bad. He's wasted 'trudeaumania' and now appears more and more like a younger Harper.

Probably not that close. Thanks FPTP.

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The current electoral system is flawed as it allows majority governments to form on a minority mandate. Despite having less than 40% of the vote, the Conservatives are allowed to govern the nation? More people voted AGAINST them than for them.

So were you complaining when Jean Chretien had 2 successive majority in which he had 40% of the vote? More people voted AGAINST him than for him.

"with less than 40%, Conservatives were allowed to govern the nation" - The most ignorant statement I have seen on this forum.

In Canada we have a multiparty system where it is very difficult to get 50% of the vote. We have a first past the post system where the winner takes the seat.

In Ontario, the Liberals got less than 40% and got a majority government.

In BC, the Liberals got less than 40% of the vote and got a majority.

In Alberta, the NDP got less than 40% of the vote and got a majority.

In all these places, more people voted for the opposition than for the winner.

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So were you complaining when Jean Chretien had 2 successive majority in which he had 40% of the vote? More people voted AGAINST him than for him.

"with less than 40%, Conservatives were allowed to govern the nation" - The most ignorant statement I have seen on this forum.

In Canada we have a multiparty system where it is very difficult to get 50% of the vote. We have a first past the post system where the winner takes the seat.

In Ontario, the Liberals got less than 40% and got a majority government.

In BC, the Liberals got less than 40% of the vote and got a majority.

In Alberta, the NDP got less than 40% of the vote and got a majority.

In all these places, more people voted for the opposition than for the winner.

Mustapha is wrong to say people voted against Harper and the CPC. Rather, people voted for their preferred parties. The statement that Conservatives were allowed to govern the nation isn't ignorant, however; it is a statement of fact. There are reasons for that, as you stated, but it's still a fact. Same applies to Chretien.

In my opinion, it is a problem that a party can have majority rule without at least 50% of the vote. Whether it's the NDP or CPC, it is a problem. I'm sure you can agree (or did you like Chretien having a majority without 50%?) Hell, even the CPC used ranked ballots in its leadership election. Everyone knows this system is archaic, it's just not a populist move and CPC happens to benefit from FPTP. I don't like to assume without evidence, but I will confidently say that if the CPC were in NDP's shoes, they'd be the ones pushing for electoral reform and NDP opposing it. It's not a partisan issue. Electoral reform will improve this country.

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http://www.bnn.ca/News/2015/8/7/Telus-profit-falls-105-on-Alberta-tax-hit-higher-costs.aspx

Canadian telecommunications company Telus Corp. posted a 10.5 percent fall in quarterly profit, mainly due to an increase in costs and charges related to adjustments from higher corporate tax rates in Alberta.

The company's net income fell to $341 million, or 56 cents per share, in the quarter ended June 30, from $381 million, or 62 cents, a year earlier.

The Vancouver-based company's operating revenue rose 5.1 percent to $3.10 billion.

It's not just Oil Companies hurting from corporate tax increases.

Just a preview of what would happen federally. Everyone thinks Taxing big corps helps the middle class when in fact it's the exact opposite.

If you work for a corp in any capacity, you will be effected, they will not hesitate to cut your job, benefits, hours, wages to make up for that extra money the NDP received.

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AUGUST 06, 2015

Canadian Oil Sands loses $128M in 90 days - $120M were Notley's new taxes

EZRA LEVANT

REBEL COMMANDER

Canadian Oil Sands just issued its quarterly financials. They lost $128 million in the past 90 days, compared to the $176 million profit they made this time last year.

And $120 million of that recent loss -- all but $8 million -- is from the Alberta NDP's new tax increase.

I call it a "revenge tax." It's one of three new taxes Rachel Notley's NDP government has imposed on the energy industry in Alberta.

If you don't care about "fat cats" being taxed, think again.

Lots of ordinary people own energy and resource industry stocks in their RSPs. The NDPs war on the oil patch hurts every Canadian.

Yes, the global fall in oil prices have hurt the industry too. But the NDP's response to that crisis has only made the situation worse.

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I lke the way the mainstream media covers for Harper saying there was no clear winner in the debate when clearly he had his ass handed to him

Attacking Harper doesn't equal handing one's ass to someone.

May was the only truly articulate one, with very scathing and valid points, but that doesn't score points with voters.

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its sometime to hard for left wingers to get a grip and realize maybe the right winger way might be a better way.

You've had 10 years and screwed up every step of the way.

Maybe some right wingers are to dense to realize that they're way is not right.

You can mumble socialist now and curse under your breath it's ok

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http://www.bnn.ca/News/2015/8/7/Telus-profit-falls-105-on-Alberta-tax-hit-higher-costs.aspx

Canadian telecommunications company Telus Corp. posted a 10.5 percent fall in quarterly profit, mainly due to an increase in costs and charges related to adjustments from higher corporate tax rates in Alberta.

The company's net income fell to $341 million, or 56 cents per share, in the quarter ended June 30, from $381 million, or 62 cents, a year earlier.

The Vancouver-based company's operating revenue rose 5.1 percent to $3.10 billion.

It's not just Oil Companies hurting from corporate tax increases.

Just a preview of what would happen federally. Everyone thinks Taxing big corps helps the middle class when in fact it's the exact opposite.

If you work for a corp in any capacity, you will be effected, they will not hesitate to cut your job, benefits, hours, wages to make up for that extra money the NDP received.

Hey buddy quick heads up

Your endless nonsense has no basis in a thread about the electoral debate

Take your whinging and fear mongering self pity elsewhere

Again if businesses cannot stand on their own without government assistance they need to fail.

I find it so pathetically hypocritical people like you use the word socialist and then blame the NDP for spending peoples money yet somehow find it acceptable to spend that same money giving it to businesses.

Just knock it off and create a thread about it already so it can fade in to obscurity like our concern for your mental well being.

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AUGUST 06, 2015

Canadian Oil Sands loses $128M in 90 days - $120M were Notley's new taxes

EZRA LEVANT

REBEL COMMANDER

Canadian Oil Sands just issued its quarterly financials. They lost $128 million in the past 90 days, compared to the $176 million profit they made this time last year.

And $120 million of that recent loss -- all but $8 million -- is from the Alberta NDP's new tax increase.

I call it a "revenge tax." It's one of three new taxes Rachel Notley's NDP government has imposed on the energy industry in Alberta.

If you don't care about "fat cats" being taxed, think again.

Lots of ordinary people own energy and resource industry stocks in their RSPs. The NDPs war on the oil patch hurts every Canadian.

Yes, the global fall in oil prices have hurt the industry too. But the NDP's response to that crisis has only made the situation worse.

Yes let us cite anything from Ezra Levant like it is credible.

GO glad handle Milk and Honey for a moment and come back posting something from the right wing news next please.

Seriously. Is there some ingrained fear within people like you two that makes you jump in fright at left wing politics? is it some sort of hypocritically pathetic need to refuse to admit that what YOU desire is the exact thing you rail against when you demand more money go to businesses and less money go to the people.

Again. When you WANT money to go to massive billion dollar profiting corporations you think its ok

When that same money goes to the starving or the people most in need you scream socialism and then write a worthless post about it.

What exactly is it in your physical make up that makes you unable to see how stupid that really looks? How hypocritical that really is?

Just really need to know because honestly, the sheer stupidity of it is mind boggling and if you were any kind of truly conservative minded individual what you keep whining about would disgust you to your very core.

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Hey buddy quick heads up

Your endless nonsense has no basis in a thread about the electoral debate

Take your whinging and fear mongering self pity elsewhere

Again if businesses cannot stand on their own without government assistance they need to fail.

I find it so pathetically hypocritical people like you use the word socialist and then blame the NDP for spending peoples money yet somehow find it acceptable to spend that same money giving it to businesses.

Just knock it off and create a thread about it already so it can fade in to obscurity like our concern for your mental well being.

We have enough threads.

This is the main component of the NDP campaign. And these are examples of the effects of corporate tax.

Who said anything about government assistance? Telus and CNRL don't need the government hahahaha. It's literally the last thing they need.

The government needs them. No business in the world needs government.

Self pity? Do you work, directly or indirectly for corporation? Cause if you do you should be concerned. A corporations first place to cut costs is staff. Hell even if you own a corp and your corp gets taxed more, you'll have less money to pay yourself.

Corporate tax rate is a huge issue, along with carbon tax and royalty adjustments.

I agree that it is morally right to take more money from corps and give it too the people in need, but it just doesn't work that way. Corps only care about their shareholders. If there investment isn't profitable in Canada they will move to Mexico or elsewhere.

There is no reason to personally attack me for legit concerns about NDP policy.

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Well what do you know, verbal flatulence isn't unique to Jazz. Hey right winger, just promise not to complain about higher taxes to pay for all those extra officers.

Hey, cut him some slack Lockout. He has a point when he says "we don't communism in Canada". :lol:

I'm wondering just how close Canada is to an NDP fed government. I don't think the conservatives or even the liberals have even given it any considerable thought. Just seemed out of the realm of political possibility in Canada. But considering what happened in Alberta, anything's possible.

Also wondering if a Liberal-NDP coalition majority could work out. I think Trudeau probably wants to appeal to the lobbyists, so he may want to shy away from it. Too bad. He's wasted 'trudeaumania' and now appears more and more like a younger Harper.

Said it before. Coalitions are unwieldy. Anything the PM wants to do has to be run past both parties and little ends up getting done.

One of these guys is going to have to get his act together if they want to knock off the Cons. It's also going to be important for the NDP to keep the gains they made in Quebec and not lose them back to the Bloc.

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Thanks for the sources. Good to know.

I will be voting liberal. Government should never be in for 10 years

I find this sentiment puzzling. Time in power should have little to no bearing on who you vote for.

Not that it's likely to happen (as I agree, long term power is bound to lead to complacency, overconfidence, corruption etc) but if we were ever blessed with a truly good and responsible government that improved health and education while balancing the budget, reducing debt and improving infrastructure, social programs and intelligent lawmaking that benefited it's people...why in Gordie's name would you ever vote them out?!

Vote based on performance and capability.

Ineptocracy NDP- A system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with good and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing member of producers

I'll be voting for harper...

You get socialism either way. One way, our tax dollars go to corporations and their shareholders who largely take that money out of country. The other way goes to the poor and families who largely return that money to our own economy while reducing health care, policing, court etc costs.

Also the line of thinking that all poor/low income people are 'lazy' is a lazy line of thinking. Many of them are working multiple jobs simply to put food on the table. There will always be lazy/incapable people and you're paying for them regardless of who's in power. But increasing crime. poverty, health care etc issues and hence costs so that stock holders can buy a second yacht is so incredibly counter-intuitive it's baffling that so many believe it.

Good to know I am not the only conservative on this forum.

People who are voting ndp need to realize one thing. they are SOCIALIST its in their party platform. . removing the senate seems a bit wield they want to change the way our government has been running for a long time. changing voting system a bit strange to. i like the current way and i feel its the best. 1990s ndp governemnt in bc, manitoba current ndp government ect... all haven't produced much fruit.

libs support legalization of weed and I don't like the sound of that. who knows what else they have planned

really hoping people don't vote ndp. libs i could handle but ndp would be a disaster

whoever wins the election will need the libs to help push through their laws and agenda.

still a long way to go and someone making a huge mistake or letting out a secret can still happen

Both parties are socialist. One's for corporate welfare which does little to stimulate the economy, one's for social programs for the people. Canada's already a socialist country FWIW.

Legalizing marijuana would reduce use, harm, crime, criminal profit and costs to taxpayers while simultaneously proving a new tax revenue stream for a drug that's been proven less harmful than already legal cigarettes and alcohol. Sounds horrible :rolleyes:

its sometime to hard for left wingers to get a grip and realize maybe the right winger way might be a better way.

We've been doing it your way for nearly a century. It's been an abject failure.

http://www.bnn.ca/News/2015/8/7/Telus-profit-falls-105-on-Alberta-tax-hit-higher-costs.aspx

Canadian telecommunications company Telus Corp. posted a 10.5 percent fall in quarterly profit, mainly due to an increase in costs and charges related to adjustments from higher corporate tax rates in Alberta.

The company's net income fell to $341 million, or 56 cents per share, in the quarter ended June 30, from $381 million, or 62 cents, a year earlier.

The Vancouver-based company's operating revenue rose 5.1 percent to $3.10 billion.

It's not just Oil Companies hurting from corporate tax increases.

Just a preview of what would happen federally. Everyone thinks Taxing big corps helps the middle class when in fact it's the exact opposite.

If you work for a corp in any capacity, you will be effected, they will not hesitate to cut your job, benefits, hours, wages to make up for that extra money the NDP received.

FWIW, rates are still lower than they were in the early 2000's long before the NDP were in power. The real issue is that they never should have been lowered, particularly when oil prices were high and the companies were raking in profits. If there was smart governance they would have raised the rates during boom years and lowered them to ~the current 12% during the lean ones (now). And will all the tax dollars the government could have raked in with those boom years, they could be currently re-investing in Provincial infrastructure and creating jobs which would further maintain the economy.

But that would require smart governance rather than governance for the benefit solely for corporations. (And much smarter voters).

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I lke the way the mainstream media covers for Harper saying there was no clear winner in the debate when clearly he had his ass handed to him

The media is supposed to be independent, so their assessment of the debate is more accurate than your obviously biased opinion.

So it really comes down to the prism you see the debate through:

If you don't like Harper and the Conservatives, he lost the debate.

If you are a Tory supporter, he won the debate.

If you are independent, no one won the debate.

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