LaBamba Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Of course your overly stated issues are only part of the problem. I'd like you to acknowledge some additional problems. These problems have been stated before though, so I'm not sure if this is a conversation worth having, nor is it even the correct thread. I am merely pointing out that the pro-oil circle jerk mentality has large cracks. In the meantime it appears that the majority of Albertans have acknowledged the problem and are at least open to methods of solutions. Cheers. That's great I agree with everything you just said. It still doesn't explain why you keep comparing Canada to Norway. A country with a Nationalized Oil company. We cannot nationalize oil, sadly we missed our chance 30 years ago. You cannot compare taking royalties from energy companies to taking it all yourself. That's all I'm trying to say. We are 2 completely different systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 That's great I agree with everything you just said. It still doesn't explain why you keep comparing Canada Alberta to Norway. A country with a Nationalized Oil company. We cannot nationalize oil, sadly we missed our chance 30 years ago. You cannot compare taking royalties from energy companies to taking it all yourself. That's all I'm trying to say. We are 2 completely different systems. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Seems like Libs are pulling support from the NDP and the Cons base is keeping steady? It'll be interesting to see if this keeps up until election day. Liberals also released their full platform today on facebook earlier today. That might even add more momentum for them? Anyone here voting Liberal making over $60,000 a year? You might want to reconsider. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-justin-trudeau-ei-reforms-1.3219056 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Okay, I'm getting selfish as money is tight in my household (wife was only offered a .6 position this year = 40% pay cut from last). Which party is going to allow me to keep more of my income in my pocket? I'm not a low income earner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanNuck Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I don't mind possibly replacing Harper, but overall, I am at best completely dissatisfied with the alternatives. Trudeau reminds me of a used car salesman, saying what you want to hear, even hearing what you say, but he is always changing his tune until you never know where he really stands. His plan to gamble the economy on deficit spending is risky - what if the currently low interests rates suddenly spikes? What if his investments don't grow the economy? Plus, why does he support C-51, but doesn't seem interested in dealing with terrorists - he wants to establish diplomatic relations with terror-sponsoring states, doesn't agree with revoking convicted treason offenders' citizenships, etc. Plus, he has constantly withdrawn promise after promise - like allowing free and open nominations, only to meddle with nominations, whip votes after promising free votes. The list goes on. Mulcair, well, at least he seems like a more reliable personality, but behind it all, he is another Judas. His opposition of the Clairity Act, in defiance of nine Supreme Court Justices, all but show he is in league with Quebec seperatists - and only twenty years after campaigning for unity and federalism. Plus, his plan to withdraw from combat activity, at best, is unrealistic and dangerous, already been tried before, and then up comes ISIS. Moreover, despite his up front moderation, his party clearly, as outlined in their manifesto, stands for the overthrow of the current economic system. Harper, well, for all that has gone wrong under his watch - a flatlining economy, senators and MPs convicted of fraud, C-51 controversies - at least has some things going right. We survived a global recession, took a strong stand against criminals and terrorists (which is probably a reason we haven't had any high-profile homocides as did the US with Tryvon Martin and others), and are laying pieces to hopefully a stronger economic future. We also got rid of at least one nuissance of a beauracracy, the Wheat Board, and western alienation is becoming a thing of the past. Certainly isn't perfect, but a lot better than the alternatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Latest government WTF moment:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-quietly-pulls-out-of-un-anti-droughts-convention-1.1388320 Okay, we know The Harper Government doesn't give a crap about the environment, but to be the only country in the world to back out of this? wtf? As for the cost of it, I guess it was okay to hand millions to all those religious friends of his, or billions in oil subsidies, or the joke of a $2mil fake lake for the G20 summit, not to mention an early election campaign that utterly wasted $125mil while we're subjected to a fear mongering parade of misinformation. You want to be the pigs at the trough here, don't ya. Otherwise, SEE ya Jack. I think this is more about cost than about the environment, although the money will probably end up going to fighting "domestic terrorism". It is interesting though that they wouldn't announce it and (most importantly) why they are doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 FixedRegionalism is your guys' thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I think this is more about cost than about the environment, although the money will probably end up going to fighting "domestic terrorism". It is interesting though that they wouldn't announce it and (most importantly) why they are doing it. That's Harper's thing. Costs now at all cost. He had zero interest in thinking ahead, planning for beyond his nose. It's really easy to look good on paper fiscally now when you mortgage the future to do it. I'm not looking forward to the day when all these cuts come back to haunt us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Anyone here voting Liberal making over $60,000 a year? You might want to reconsider. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-election-2015-justin-trudeau-ei-reforms-1.3219056It looks like EI premiums are going down with both the Liberals and Conservatives. It's the Ndp that would freeze them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electro Rock Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Captain Obvious says that Alberta has had to contribute at least $200 billion towards tranfers payments over the course of the last few decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Certainly isn't perfect, but a lot better than the alternatives.Based on what factors? His main thing, the economy, he's failed to manage properly. He floated through the 2008 recession due to Martin leaving the finances in great shape. He's ran 7 years of deficits, and as the oil boom ends unemployment is on the rise and there was absolutely no contingency plan for that scenario. Now everyone's just pointing fingers at each other while the dollar tanks. It just seems he has no clue what to do other than line the pockets of his friends. We taxpayers are flipping the bill for that. And we're flipping the bill for his BS war on Isis, which hasn't done anything to Isis but make them a bloated domestic threat. Russia's gone in there and done in days what Canada or the US could not do in months. We shouldn't even be there, as it's a god-damn waste of money. We could make a larger difference by providing humanitarian aid, but that's not going to appease his Israeli buddies as much as possible. ALL the alternatives are better than this. JT's a business nuthugger, but that's going to get votes for him. His spending plans match what the Cons did back in 2008. It's essentially status-quo, minus the country-dividing xenophobia and war mongering. Mulcair is more prime ministerial than JT, but he'll tick off all businesses, and that will kill votes for him. His spending plans will help the poor and unfortunate, but who cares about them? Corporations might take away the jerbss! (Like they were already taking away when oil prices tanked.) It's a vote to boost social programs at the cost of big business profiteering, plus an end to the country-dividing xenophobia and war mongering. Both are more 'Canadian' than Harper, certainly. Both will run the economy as good as Harper, at least, but the bar is low. And the shedding that Isis mess which Russia is going to take care of anyway is a HUGE plus for this nation's morale. More importantly, good GOD, can you imagine the damage the Harpercons will do with another four years?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Captain Obvious says that Alberta has had to contribute at least $200 billion towards tranfers payments over the course of the last few decades.This government has certainly thanked Alberta enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Canada's trade deficit widens as exports fall most since 2012Canadas merchandise trade deficit widened in August, exceeding even the most bearish forecast in a survey of economists as energy and consumer goods led the biggest drop in exports in more than three years. The deficit expanded to $2.53-billion from July, Statistics Canada reported Tuesday from Ottawa. None of the 18 economists in a Bloomberg survey predicted the August deficit would be wider than $2-billion. The median forecast was for a $1.2-billion shortfall. Exports fell 3.6 per cent to $44-billion, including a 20.9 per cent drop in crude oil and bitumen on lower prices. Consumer goods fell 8 per cent to $5.91-billion while the metals and non metallic mineral category declined 9.7 per cent to $4.54-billion. The report tempers other evidence the worlds 11th largest economy is in a strong rebound from the shock of lower oil prices that derailed output in the first half of the year. Exports started the third quarter with 2.4 per cent growth in July, and gross domestic product rose in June and July after five prior contractions. The trade report is negative for August GDP but its one month of data, said Krishen Rangasamy, senior economist at National Bank Financial in Montreal. Canada is going to return to growth in the third quarter. Canadas dollar was little changed at $1.3077 per U.S. dollar at 9:52 a.m. Toronto time, and has weakened 11 per cent this year. Economic ManagementTuesdays trade data, along with the September jobs figures due Oct. 9, are among the last major economic reports due before an Oct. 19 election thats been fought in part over Prime Minister Stephen Harpers economic management. On Monday, Harper announced he plans to implement a trade pact among a dozen Pacific-rim nations, saying it would lower tariffs on exports and opening up markets for farm and automobile products. This deal is without any doubt whatsoever in the best interest of the Canadian economy. Liberal Party Leader Justin Trudeau, leading Harper in recent polls, said he is pro trade and must see the full details before deciding, and New Democratic Party Leader Tom Mulcair said Harper was selling out our auto workers and our farming families. The trade figures Tuesday also suggested domestic demand remains resilient, with imports rising for a fourth consecutive month, by 0.2 per cent to $46.5-billion. Exports of motor vehicles and parts also rose by 3.1 per cent to $7.85-billion. The volume of exports declined 0.6 per cent and import volumes fell 0.1 per cent, Statistics Canada said. Volume figures adjust for price changes and can be a better indicator of how trade contributes to economic growth. The agency also revised its figure for the July shortfall to $817-million, from an initially reported $593-million.The August deficit moves toward the record $3.56-billion deficit set in March, and Canada the cumulative year-to-date deficit at $17.4-billion is also record. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/canada-trade-deficit-widens-as-exports-fall-most-since-2012/article26677431/ More bad news for Harper's economy. Hopefully the incoming party has some workable solutions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Toml saying "as the oil boom ends" lmao. You show how little you know of the industry yet you try and act like you do. This is not the first crash in oil sector and it won't be the last. It's a boom and bust sector, always has been. But hey like you, hippy and jr say let's tax them more so we never have a boom again. Laughable! Oh wait let's nationalize it right? That would only cost hundreds of billions if not trillions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Toml saying "as the oil boom ends" lmao. You show how little you know of the industry yet you try and act like you do. This is not the first crash in oil sector and it won't be the last. It's a boom and bust sector, always has been. But hey like you, hippy and jr say let's tax them more so we never have a boom again. Laughable! Oh wait let's nationalize it right? That would only cost hundreds of billions if not trillions. Or hey, look intelligent and blame the NDP right bud? Stop bringing my name up in your tragic arguments ok. You're right in that it is boom or bust, but you're also wrong in that most of you believers in the oil dollar forget the bust periods and blame everyone but the real culprits when it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 That's Harper's thing. Costs now at all cost. He had zero interest in thinking ahead, planning for beyond his nose. It's really easy to look good on paper fiscally now when you mortgage the future to do it. I'm not looking forward to the day when all these cuts come back to haunt us. In that case, don't vote NDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 In that case, don't vote NDP. Well you can, and you can blame it all on them after 4-6 months Yup all of the issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Toml saying "as the oil boom ends" lmao. You show how little you know of the industry yet you try and act like you do. This is not the first crash in oil sector and it won't be the last. It's a boom and bust sector, always has been. But hey like you, hippy and jr say let's tax them more so we never have a boom again. Laughable! Oh wait let's nationalize it right? That would only cost hundreds of billions if not trillions.Surely we can do better managing the resource than we have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Well you can, and you can blame it all on them after 4-6 months Yup all of the issues Taxes pay for things, though. And if it's true that he means to cut things to get to a balanced budget, there's even less things that we'll be getting back. He says different things in English and French (which, yes, I know the two statements were two years apart and things can change over two years, but still). My dad's talked with a few NDP voters; even they don't trust him. He's misleading in many of his statements, with example 1 being the $15/hr minimum wage. You can find more here: http://factscan.ca/category/people/tom-mulclair/ I don't mind the NDP, but Mulcair and some of his policies are not something I wish to have in government at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 Surely we can do better managing the resource than we have been. True. We also need to start taking the weight off of oil and slowly turning to greener tech. The Saudis are doing it. We should as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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