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The Maoclair NDP would do federally what the B.C. NDP did to this province in the '90s, chasing away jobs and investment while running huge deficits.

Of course now the global economy in a de facto Depression and not an boom, so we'd go down the drain that much faster.

And I'd STILL vote for them rather than anything to do with the Libel Party or the name Trudeau...

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Toml saying "as the oil boom ends" lmao. You show how little you know of the industry yet you try and act like you do.

This is not the first crash in oil sector and it won't be the last. It's a boom and bust sector, always has been.

But hey like you, hippy and jr say let's tax them more so we never have a boom again. Laughable!

Oh wait let's nationalize it right? That would only cost hundreds of billions if not trillions.

Are you trying to say the oil boom didn't end? :blink:

I'm pretty sure we're all aware that it's a boom/bust industry and as such have noted more than once and that's it's a poor idea to invest so heavily in such a volatile industry. What a silly waste of tax dollars.

I believe we stated the Cons should have taxed/charged more royalties/subsidized less when the boom was on. The complete opposite of what the Cons did. Doesn't make much sense to raise taxes/royalties now but I'm still in favour of cutting subsidies. Or more accurately, to transferring those subsidies to less volatile, more forward thinking, less harmful, long term industries.

The nationalize ship has sadly sailed but that doesn't mean what we have couldn't have been managed better and benefitted Canada more. Yes we made money on the oil boom. We should have made more (even if less than if we had a national energy program) as a country. As it was, the Cons were happy to send more of that money to their overseas friends than to keep it here in Canada.

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IMO everything you learn in K-8 you could learn in K-4. High school gets moved down to 5-8, and four years of college is 9-12. then if they want to go into any other fields, they won't have to waste 4 years of life to get there.

Ideally.

A bit of a back track (and moderately off topic) but I thought you might find this an interesting read:

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/10/the-joyful-illiterate-kindergartners-of-finland/408325/

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So to my lefty friends how come we don't cry and complain when the logging industry receives money from the feds or the province?

That's a boom and bust industry...

Just not as lucrative so we turn a blind eye?

Even the Americans complained how the logging industry was subsidized but yet I hear no complaints.

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So to my lefty friends how come we don't cry and complain when the logging industry receives money from the feds or the province?

That's a boom and bust industry...

Just not as lucrative so we turn a blind eye?

Even the Americans complained how the logging industry was subsidized but yet I hear no complaints.

We could clearly improve the management of all our commodities. Oil's the main subject here usually because it's all that matters to a few posters. Reason: Money.

Question: Why does merely raising royalties seem to equate to the 'ultra-expensive' route of nationalizing oil? Royalties can be risen at any time. We should've collected more during the boom, really. But everyone was high on the hog and didn't give a frack about socking it away.

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I've been staying away fro this thread because I honestly don't have much to add from others who mirror my position and I truly don't think there is a whole lot of difference between will happen regardless of who the next PM is. I do have a question though.

I dislike the candidate in my riding for the party I would like to win nationally. I feel it was a mistake to run a "special interest" candidate because it is alienating a lot of voters. I understand the motivation, no one is beating the NDP in my riding. At the same time, I like the NDP candidate and I like what he has done over the last term. I dislike Tom Mulcair and I don't have a lot of trust in the Federal NDP, but I feel like voting NDP because he is the best candidate offering in my riding.

This leads to my question. Do you vote for your representative in your riding or do you vote for the party leader?

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That's not it all toml Alberta oil is very expensive to extract, Governments know this as do oil companies. Ed Stelmach did raise royalties and Alberta slowed right as it's not feasible for companies to do business at such costs.

Labamba and myself have been trying to make this clear to folks in this thread. Oil is all over the hence the oil price atm, so companies won't be bent over a barrel they will just go other places, Saskatchewan, Russia, Africa, etc.

It's not near as easy as some of you think I've worked in this industry a very long time, sure I wish royalties were higher but it's not realistic considering the cost to drill for oil in Alberta.

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So to my lefty friends how come we don't cry and complain when the logging industry receives money from the feds or the province?

That's a boom and bust industry...

Just not as lucrative so we turn a blind eye?

Even the Americans complained how the logging industry was subsidized but yet I hear no complaints.

Probably because you Albertans keep monopolizing the conversation with 'all oil, all the time'.

Forestry is another issue that should (slowly) be dealt with.

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That's not it all toml Alberta oil is very expensive to extract, Governments know this as do oil companies. Ed Stelmach did raise royalties and Alberta slowed right as it's not feasible for companies to do business at such costs.

Labamba and myself have been trying to make this clear to folks in this thread. Oil is all over the hence the oil price atm, so companies won't be bent over a barrel they will just go other places, Saskatchewan, Russia, Africa, etc.

It's not near as easy as some of you think I've worked in this industry a very long time, sure I wish royalties were higher but it's not realistic considering the cost to drill for oil in Alberta.

It was when the boom was on. Hence the mistakes/mismanagement of the Cons.

I believe we stated the Cons should have taxed/charged more royalties/subsidized less when the boom was on. The complete opposite of what the Cons did. Doesn't make much sense to raise taxes/royalties now but I'm still in favour of cutting subsidies. Or more accurately, to transferring those subsidies to less volatile, more forward thinking, less harmful, long term industries.

You guys and your reading comprehension...

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You and your misunderstanding jr.

Oil is very expensive to extract in Alberta period.

Doesn't matter boom or not. Thus raising royalties no longer makes it feasible to do business in Alberta. Understand yet?

Btw I'm born and raised in Penticton and still own a home there. Thanks for calling me Albertan lol

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Okay, I'm getting selfish as money is tight in my household (wife was only offered a .6 position this year = 40% pay cut from last).

Which party is going to allow me to keep more of my income in my pocket?

I'm not a low income earner.

Liberals are offering that middle class income tax cut if you're earning between 45k and 90k? Apparently it's going to save you a grand according to their website.

http://www.liberal.ca/realchange/middle-class-tax-cut/

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You and your misunderstanding jr.

Oil is very expensive to extract in Alberta period.

Doesn't matter boom or not. Thus raising royalties no longer makes it feasible to do business in Alberta. Understand yet?

Btw I'm born and raised in Penticton and still own a home there. Thanks for calling me Albertan lol

You say it's expensive. Other oil 'experts' say it's cheap. Which one is it?

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You and your misunderstanding jr.

Oil is very expensive to extract in Alberta period.

Doesn't matter boom or not. Thus raising royalties no longer makes it feasible to do business in Alberta. Understand yet?

Btw I'm born and raised in Penticton and still own a home there. Thanks for calling me Albertan lol

lol I understand just fine. According to our resident expert Labamba ~$35-40BBL is the 'break even' point for companies if I recall. In other places, it may be $20 or $25 dollars. Doesn't really matter.

If oil's $100BBL, there's plenty of money to be made and companies will make it. Even with an extra say $5 royalties /BBL. So yes boom or bust DOES matter.

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So to my lefty friends how come we don't cry and complain when the logging industry receives money from the feds or the province?

That's a boom and bust industry...

Just not as lucrative so we turn a blind eye?

Even the Americans complained how the logging industry was subsidized but yet I hear no complaints.

They stopped complaining after the WTO sided with canada on the softwood dispute, ordered the US to pay us billions only to see Harper instead GAVE them almost everything they asked for in one of the most lopsided agreements in canadian history.

You know. Why complain when you get paid and everything you asked for after the world trade organization actually ruled against you?

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I've been staying away fro this thread because I honestly don't have much to add from others who mirror my position and I truly don't think there is a whole lot of difference between will happen regardless of who the next PM is. I do have a question though.

I dislike the candidate in my riding for the party I would like to win nationally. I feel it was a mistake to run a "special interest" candidate because it is alienating a lot of voters. I understand the motivation, no one is beating the NDP in my riding. At the same time, I like the NDP candidate and I like what he has done over the last term. I dislike Tom Mulcair and I don't have a lot of trust in the Federal NDP, but I feel like voting NDP because he is the best candidate offering in my riding.

This leads to my question. Do you vote for your representative in your riding or do you vote for the party leader?

Good question and a dilemma I experienced as well

I have opted to not vote for a party. I actually enjoy parts of each parties' platforms. But cannot vote for the Conservatives after their actions the last 10 years.

So I independently asked each candidate in my riding 5 very specific questions I find that need to be addressed for my region, I got responses from the lib and ndp candidate yet never a response from the conservative one. I finally met with the 3 candidates over the last week and asked them these questions again

The liberal candidate while passionate could not deviate from her parties platform much at all.

The conservative candidate was deplorable, he's a career politician and worked for stockwell day for years, he just refused to answer anything outside of the party talking points. No character, nothing but a bleached smile and a fake handshake

The ndp candidate actually took the time to meet with me for almost 2 hours not only addressing my questions but also offerng some of his own,and then he asked me the most important question

He asked me "What can I do to make this region better for you while in office"

While the other two continued to say the Libs/Cons did, do or will. He asked me very openly what he could do to improve this area for me and my family.

That alone speaks more to me than ANYTHING promised in a party platform. So my suggestion to you is very openly address your local candidates with 5 questions of your own on social media. Make them answer openly. Then if possible do it again in person to get a good feel of who they are as a person.

At days end, knowing who you're voting for is far more important for you and your area than simply voting on a parties platform because by and large that platform has nothing to do with your area at all. you need to learn your candidates and their history with your area. If they know what is important and what needs addressing than they're probably the person for the job

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Trudeau and Harper are opposed to raising corporate taxes and Mulcair supports raising them Mulcairs numbers have drastically fell. Last numbers I seen had the ndp at 23%

Hmmm.....

Ok....great?

What does this mean to anyone? Polls are quite frequently wrong and polls are quite frequently misleading.

The only thing polls do is give a potential snapshot of what some people in some areas are thinking and they usually conflict with other polls as well.

Are the NDP dropping? yes. Will that mean anything on election day? We don't know yet

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Liberals are offering that middle class income tax cut if you're earning between 45k and 90k? Apparently it's going to save you a grand according to their website.

http://www.liberal.ca/realchange/middle-class-tax-cut/

I see,

When middle class Canadians have more money in their pockets to save, invest, and grow the economy, we all benefit.
We will cut the middle income tax bracket to 20.5 percent from 22 percent – a seven percent reduction. Canadians with taxable annual income between $44,700 and $89,401 will see their income tax rate fall.
This tax relief is worth up to $670 per person, per year – or $1,340 for a two-income household.
To pay for this tax cut, we will ask the wealthiest one percent of Canadians to give a little more. We will introduce a new tax bracket of 33 percent for individuals earning more than $200,000 each year.
So I'll be status quo - I hope.
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