TOMapleLaughs Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 What's wrong with the law? If you are a dual-citizen (or similar criteria), and are convicted of a terrorist act, you and your family potentially lose citizenship. Pretty cut and dry... Canada doesn't want to house terrorists, and wants the home countries of terrorists to be responsible for them. I have zero issue with that. What problem do you have? The candidate suggested the guy renounce his adopted heritage. If he doesn't like the Canadian law, he can renounce his new citizenship/heritage and just be Nigerian. I would think that if he loves Canada so much, and doesn't want to be associated with terrorists, then he would appreciate the law for its intent: keeping Canada beautiful by having avenues to get rid of terrorists. If I thought Canadian laws or society were changing in ways I didn't like, and couldn't see any way to change/fix them, why wouldn't I distance myself from Canada? Anyhow, my point here is that this was just a weak-ass molehill being masqueraded as some kind of a mountain. Your glasses seem to continue to give you the impression that this is still a mountain. You are entitled to your feelings, but without any other info suggesting that this is some human rights offense as you claimed, it leaves your judgment on what really matters open to question.What's wrong with the law indeed? What the Conservatives have done with regards to perpetuating hatethought this campaign has been treading on a very thing legal/illegal line. And their anti-terror bill should concern everyone in this country, on account that the definition of what they consider terror or against the country can change at the drop of a hat. But having a candidate running around saying 'renounce your heritage' is sickeningly anti-Canadian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 For those of you proclaiming Harper has ruined Canada's reputation... Effective government doesn't necessarily mean effective political party. For all those who wants to shrink the government... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Effective government doesn't necessarily mean effective political party. For all those who wants to shrink the government... And that's a fair point. It's just for everyone we're actually doing pretty well for all the people who want to pin everything on Harper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 For those of you proclaiming Harper has ruined Canada's reputation... Well they'd probably be less impressed if they actually knew what's going on. I doubt your average Lars in Denmark is familiar with the nuances of recent political developments in this country. Also, I still believe that Canadians for the most part remain an open, tolerant, freedom loving people, even though Harper has managed to gain power thanks to the minority that aren't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Effective government doesn't necessarily mean effective political party. For all those who wants to shrink the government... It also came fourth on having an effective government, behind Sweden, Norway and Switzerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Who said anything about forcing? If they want help, we should help them. If not, we shouldn't ostracize them. That's not what he's saying at all. Put it this way. A black man living amongst a bunch of racists is tired of being relentlessly bullied, so he decides to get surgery to appear whiter. Sure it's his choice, but it sucks that he even has to resort to that at all. The right way to help someone in this situation is to encourage tolerance by those around them, they shouldn't have to change to meet someone else's expectations. Also gay conversion therapy doesn't work and can actually induce psychological trauma. We don't allow unlicensed doctors to perform pseudoscientific treatments so why would we allow gay conversion therapy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 That's not what he's saying at all. Put it this way. A black man living amongst a bunch of racists is tired of being relentlessly bullied, so he decides to get surgery to appear whiter. Sure it's his choice, but it sucks that he even has to resort to that at all. The right way to help someone in this situation is to encourage tolerance by those around them, they shouldn't have to change to meet someone else's expectations. Also gay conversion therapy doesn't work and can actually induce psychological trauma. We don't allow unlicensed doctors to perform pseudoscientific treatments so why would we allow gay conversion therapy? Precisely. The only 'help' gay people need is the same understanding and tolerance afforded any other human. People's bigotry is THEIR problem that needs helping, not the person who doesn't fit their myopic, ignorant mold of sexual orientation. We don't need gay conversion therapy, we need bigoted a-hole conversion therapy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Well they'd probably be less impressed if they actually knew what's going on. I doubt your average Lars in Denmark is familiar with the nuances of recent political developments in this country.Also, I still believe that Canadians for the most part remain an open, tolerant, freedom loving people, even though Harper has managed to gain power thanks to the minority that aren't. Everyone's intolerant of something. Fair point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I see this morning we had another politician speak out against gay marriage, he said it leads to polygamy. But he is running for the NDP and they haven't fired him yet lol. I wonder why certain individuals didn't post anything on this matter hmmm... They were sure quick to do it when a conservative said similar remarks. At least the Conservatives did the right thing and tossed him out of the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I see this morning we had another politician speak out against gay marriage, he said it leads to polygamy. But he is running for the NDP and they haven't fired him yet lol. I wonder why certain individuals didn't post anything on this matter hmmm... They were sure quick to do it when a conservative said similar remarks. At least the Conservatives did the right thing and tossed him out of the party. Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Yes JR I read that. LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Source? Just seen it on the news this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2015/10/07/brampton-east-ndp-candidate-apologizes-for-former-views-on-gay-marriage.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Who gives a crap, I'm against marriage period, it's horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Who gives a crap, I'm against marriage period, it's horrible. haha! Nice! I'm with you on this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one-x Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 I see this morning we had another politician speak out against gay marriage, he said it leads to polygamy. But he is running for the NDP and they haven't fired him yet lol. I wonder why certain individuals didn't post anything on this matter hmmm... They were sure quick to do it when a conservative said similar remarks. At least the Conservatives did the right thing and tossed him out of the party. The NDP have another candidate running in the GTA who has openly said he's anti-choice and anti-gay and nothings been done about that either. The guy you're talking about is running in Brampton and has apparently "apologized for his statements". http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2015/10/07/brampton-east-ndp-candidate-apologizes-for-former-views-on-gay-marriage.html http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/09/24/ndp-stands-by-anti-abortion-same-sex-marriage-views-of-toronto-area-candidate.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Who gives a crap, I'm against marriage period, it's horrible. Funny, I'm quite enjoying mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 Source?http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ndp-candidate-harbaljit-singh-kahlon-same-sex-marriage-polygamy-nudity-1.3261883 Misleading. Quotes were made in 2005 and he has since apologized. The gay issue isn't really relevant in this election anyway. But the Reformatives cringe at the thought of gays and gay marriage for sure. They may seek a reduction in gay rights going forward as they'd assume an anti-civil rights mandate. The other personally anti-choice Ndp guy is following the party line on abortion, which is also an irrelevant issue. So whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kragar Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 What's wrong with the law indeed? What the Conservatives have done with regards to perpetuating hatethought this campaign has been treading on a very thing legal/illegal line. And their anti-terror bill should concern everyone in this country, on account that the definition of what they consider terror or against the country can change at the drop of a hat. But having a candidate running around saying 'renounce your heritage' is sickeningly anti-Canadian. Thank you. So we have reduced the situation from what you previously considered a human rights violation to what you now consider as sickeningly anti-Canadian. Nice to see the hyperbole level come down a few degrees. Or wait... are you claiming in the bolded that there was something potentially illegal in what the candidate said? If so, the meter goes back up a bit. Maybe there is an issue with what can be interpreted as terrorist activity, and if so, I could agree that this section could be improved. But the concept of revoking citizenship in the situations defined in this bill is not the issue with the bill, and it concerns me that this is the part the professor appears to be focused upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milk and honey Posted October 8, 2015 Share Posted October 8, 2015 It also came fourth on having an effective government, behind Sweden, Norway and Switzerland. To be fair the Europeans who took part are probably more familiar with these countries governments then with Canada who are across the ocean. Still being 4th and ahead of countries like USA, Australia, ect... is quite amazing and shocking after reading these forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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