Ryan Strome Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I find it incredible that the oil crowd will tell you that we need to mvoe off of oil yet tell you how essential it is to icnrease production in the same breath Fun fact, oil development took decades. Like literally 60+ years to get to where it is today and still it demands massive subsidization. If we transfer those subsidies to green tech, green research and building green infrastructure we will employ many, start the foundation for all and move away from those issues. But then, we'd have to start doing and not just talking right.Your last sentence is the truth. And all parties are guilty of "just talking" Btw, I find it interesting that those who claim to be environmentalists and push green ideas in the same breath say Canada should build more refineries, politically motivated to attack the Conservatives more I suppose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I find it incredible that the oil crowd will tell you that we need to mvoe off of oil yet tell you how essential it is to icnrease production in the same breath Fun fact, oil development took decades. Like literally 60+ years to get to where it is today and still it demands massive subsidization. If we transfer those subsidies to green tech, green research and building green infrastructure we will employ many, start the foundation for all and move away from those issues. But then, we'd have to start doing and not just talking right. Welcome to the globe warhippy. It's not just Canada and Harper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Welcome to the globe warhippy. It's not just Canada and Harper. +1 exactly this. Remember Obama was a real environmentalists that lead change for a greener future? Meanwhile the usa has drilled and fraced more oil under his tenure then they have in the last 100 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Ya totally, but a lot if things could be avoided if you're some type of sorcerer that can see the future. Nobody needed to be a sorcerer or see the future. Unless you consider people leaning left future seeing sorceres... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Nobody needed to be a sorcerer or see the future. Unless you consider people leaning left future seeing sorceres... Do you realize how much smarter you appear to be compared to numerous Governments around the World? Canada, Russia, USA, and Arabia just to name a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 +1 exactly this. Remember Obama was a real environmentalists that lead change for a greener future? Meanwhile the usa has drilled and fraced more oil under his tenure then they have in the last 100 years. And even liberal hero Soros is investing in coal now. I hope to see a US President who will approve Keystone the first moment he can in 2017. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 +1 exactly this. Remember Obama was a real environmentalists that lead change for a greener future? Meanwhile the usa has drilled and fraced more oil under his tenure then they have in the last 100 years. Think about the horrible lies you have told to sleep with girls. Ya, I'm such a nice guy, we have so much in common, I'm so interested in you, I feel like I've know you forever. Once you are done, you're true colours come through. Just like these clowns trying to dethrone Harps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 It's not possible to diversify our economy right now with ridiculous start up costs. We can't compete for labor with places like Mexico. Rents and real estate prices keep entrepreneurs out of the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 It's not possible to diversify our economy right now with ridiculous start up costs. We can't compete for labor with places like Mexico. Rents and real estate prices keep entrepreneurs out of the economy. But we should raise corporate tax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtor Rod Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I find it incredible that the oil crowd will tell you that we need to mvoe off of oil yet tell you how essential it is to icnrease production in the same breath Fun fact, oil development took decades. Like literally 60+ years to get to where it is today and still it demands massive subsidization. If we transfer those subsidies to green tech, green research and building green infrastructure we will employ many, start the foundation for all and move away from those issues. But then, we'd have to start doing and not just talking right. I think you need to maintain oil and look to alternatives and offer tax breaks or subsidies for going more friendly. It won't happen overnight, the world relies on oil. However, we can begin the transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I think you need to maintain oil and look to alternatives and offer tax breaks or subsidies for going more friendly. It won't happen overnight, the world relies on oil. However, we can begin the transition. And that's it in a nutshell. Transition. What's the old saying? "A thousand mile journey begins with a single step"... Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Ambien Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I think you need to maintain oil and look to alternatives and offer tax breaks or subsidies for going more friendly. It won't happen overnight, the world relies on oil. However, we can begin the transition. Already done for years. It's going to be a gigantic hit to taxpayers to get the "alternative" energy industry moving the way those on the left wish to. There's no light at the end of the tunnel showing it being self-sustaining, and no thanks to energy welfare programs coming from my pocket. Use your own money if you want to fund these pie in the sky ideas. Of course, on this idea, it's ironic that global warming champion Soros, of all people, has decided.. frack it, time to invest millions in coal, rather than "alternatives". So much for putting your money where your mouth is. https://www.rt.com/business/313046-soros-coal-investment-climate/ Climate change warrior Soros warms up on coal Billionaire philanthropist George Soros has invested more than $2 million in US coal giants Peabody Energy and Arch Coal despite having once called the coal industry the “lethal bullet” of climate change. Soros purchased one million shares in Peabody Energy and another 500,000 shares in Arch Coal. Both companies have been struggling since President Obama’s ‘war on coal’ aimed at reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The coal industry’s biggest players have recently lost more than 98 percent of their share value. On Friday Peabody Energy’s shares cost $1.73, compared with more than $72 per share at their peak in 2011. It's not surprising that those with these magnificent Captain Planet ideas want to spend other people's money instead of risking their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucklehead Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Many have already been suggested, (solar, wind, tidal, etc.) but it looks like Lithium could be the next big thing and it looks like Bolivia could become the next Saudi Arabia: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/03/22/lithium-dreams The article is a bit too long to copy and paste, but an interesting read, if you're interested. A more sober perspective on Bolivia’s economy appears to have settled in among some members of the government. A few weeks after the Toyota Tsusho deal with Argentina was announced, Roelants said that the big “future industry” of Bolivia would not be lithium after all. Instead, the country would focus on the other valuable substances buried in the Salar: in particular, on potassium chloride, a common ingredient in fertilizers. It could be extracted far more easily than lithium, Roelants said, and in far greater quantities. Roelants said that the Salar was expected to yield eight hundred thousand metric tons of potassium salts a year. “Potassium is more important,” he said, adding that lithium was just a by-product. Interesting yes but the actual mining and removal of Lithium from the country may prove too difficult. Landlocked and access to the ocean blocked by Chile, the terrain is extremely radical with no existing infrastructure. Previous deals were the target of outrage by the people that ultimately killed them. Still the dream is not dead. Bolivia’s President, however, does not quite seem to have accepted the idea that the Salar’s lithium treasure may amount to little. On March 10th, José Pimentel, the Minister of Mining, announced the founding of a new state-owned corporation, the Bolivian Evaporative Resources Enterprise, which will devote particular attention to lithium, exploring “every alternative” for exploiting “gray gold.” The government’s initial investment will be five million dollars. The company’s chief will be handpicked by Evo Morales. In the end Morales' politics could be the deal breaker. To quote the article: "Morales, who is closely aligned with the populist socialism of Hugo Chávez, the President of Venezuela, is prone to revolutionary declarations: “Either capitalism dies or else Planet Earth dies.” Such rhetoric tends to scare away the kind of foreign investment that would facilitate the development of the Salar." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Yes let's listen to Kevin O'Leary who openly says it's good business for him to outsource as many positions and factories as possible to low wage earning countries with no workers rights in order to make him more $$ at the expense of Canadians. Sorry man, anyone who is that self serving is not someone to listen to in terms of trying to fix the economy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Already done for years. It's going to be a gigantic hit to taxpayers to get the "alternative" energy industry moving the way those on the left wish to. There's no light at the end of the tunnel showing it being self-sustaining, and no thanks to energy welfare programs coming from my pocket. Use your own money if you want to fund these pie in the sky ideas. Of course, on this idea, it's ironic that global warming champion Soros, of all people, has decided.. frack it, time to invest millions in coal, rather than "alternatives". So much for putting your money where your mouth is. https://www.rt.com/business/313046-soros-coal-investment-climate/ It's not surprising that those with these magnificent Captain Planet ideas want to spend other people's money instead of risking their own. Just a heads up. Would it cost us almost $38 billion a year? because that's what oil is costing us. What is your definition of a gigantic hit again. As well Soros openly admitted he bought into coal because now he can control the supply which in turn means he can control the amount of pollution entering the atmosphere by only selling to companies invested inc lean coal burning technology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Yes let's listen to Kevin O'Leary who openly says it's good business for him to outsource as many positions and factories as possible to low wage earning countries with no workers rights in order to make him more $$ at the expense of Canadians. Sorry man, anyone who is that self serving is not someone to listen to in terms of trying to fix the economy. Explain to me how that doesn't make perfect sense from a business standpoint? Your rebuttal is a perfect example of why our economy isn't diverse. He isn't running for prime minister, he just knows how to make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Just a heads up. Would it cost us almost $38 billion a year? because that's what oil is costing us. What is your definition of a gigantic hit again. As well Soros openly admitted he bought into coal because now he can control the supply which in turn means he can control the amount of pollution entering the atmosphere by only selling to companies invested inc lean coal burning technology For you to even suggest that when the dust settles at the end of the year oil costs the tax payer 38B shows how incredibly narrow your vision of the economy is. No wonder you want to raise corporate tax. Here comes the links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 So even in a politics thread on CDC people are busy trying to use fear to manipulate the populace? Be afraid of: change new ideas new leaders anything that could cost a guy from the oil patch his job anything that the conservative party says to be afraid of doing anything because the guy in charge for the last 12 years has screwed things up so bad we can't afford a change, but we can afford more of the same crap for years to come. The only thing missing in this thread is some "Nice hair Justin" commercials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 So even in a politics thread on CDC people are busy trying to use fear to manipulate the populace? Be afraid of: change new ideas new leaders anything that could cost a guy from the oil patch his job anything that the conservative party says to be afraid of doing anything because the guy in charge for the last 12 years has screwed things up so bad we can't afford a change, but we can afford more of the same crap for years to come. The only thing missing in this thread is some "Nice hair Justin" commercials. These are all great things to embrace when the global economy is growing. If someone questions how a government will pay for new ideas you are automatically afraid of change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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