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These are all great things to embrace when the global economy is growing.

If someone questions how a government will pay for new ideas you are automatically afraid of change.

These are also things that the guy in charge for the last 12 years should have done, but he didn't. Harper and his fear mongers have had their time at the wheel and look how much worse off this country is. Massive debt, expense claim fraud, bill C-51, a billion or more for a get together in Toronto, dropping bombs on other countries, and on and on.......

Harper's government isn't paying for all the crap they are doing, why so worried about the other guy's maybe running up the debt?

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Explain to me how that doesn't make perfect sense from a business standpoint?

Your rebuttal is a perfect example of why our economy isn't diverse.

He isn't running for prime minister, he just knows how to make money.

Wait..my rebuttal is why our economy isn't diverse?

If that isn't the most stupid response I have heard in weeks I don't know what is

Hmm...

How about, and please bare with me. Leadership allowing manufacturing to leave, not assisting the forestry industry, allowing the ease of building on mills and wood product businesses, defense and assistance of fishing industries and of course how about we mention the assistance of produce and farmers in canada as a very good reason why our economy isn't diversified.

I guess that can't be it though, it's my comment isn't it?

I mean, you know saying that lending an ear to a guy who flat out said the best way to save the canadian manufacturing industry would be to deep 6 it and outsource to China and other countries in order to maximize profits and following his words are without question the best way to go.

Just put it out of it's misery right?

Your arguments are literally all over the board and you've contradicted yourself so often over the last 16 pages or so it's hard to keep you pinned down.

Seriously you and 2 other posters have done literally just this over the thread

Oil isn't the economic driver to canada, oil is the economic driver to canada, oil doesn't employ that many people, without oil all these people will be jobless. It's not a huge part of the gdp, it's the biggest part of it

Which is it? Pick a place and stand on it.

And stop using Kevin O'Leary and excerpts from the Manning institute and energy producers as good advice. It's like john wayne gacy saying he'd be a good babysitter for you while you and your wife went out for dinner

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For you to even suggest that when the dust settles at the end of the year oil costs the tax payer 38B shows how incredibly narrow your vision of the economy is. No wonder you want to raise corporate tax.

Here comes the links

Between federal and provincial subsidization oil/energy costs taxpayers in canada nearly $38 billion per year.

What the ever loving frag is your issue with understanding how awesome that money would be going to the people who need it?

Honestly, is it some inherent defect in your thought process that cannot see how that money would be better spent elsewhere instead of subsidizing the most profitable resource companies on the planet?

I just don't get it, i have stuck my head up my rear end to try to see your point of view on this but..i just can't. it doesn't make sense to me why subsidizing the wealthiest at the expense of the people is a good idea as opposed to using that money to build vital infrastructure in our cities and rural areas, schools, health care, green technology, green trades, new rail.

Seriously....why is that so hard for you to understand.

I won't post any more links because you've shown you flat out refuse to read them and instead go on about how important it is to keep oil going instead of doing something differently or how socialism is bad and evil and mulcair is wrong about leaving the oil in the ground yet ignore the fact that $38 BILLION DOLLARS goes to socialize profits for the wealthiest.

How the hell can you not put 2 and 2 together in this regard?

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Harper hasn't been Prime Minister for 12 years...

Also the Oil industry does not receive 38 million dollars of federal tax dollars.

For you.

I'll post the links again that prove energy is subsidized to that amount. Except it's billions with a B. These subsidies are paid out in the following areas

  • To keep energy prices low (seriously....think about that)
  • Infrastructure
  • Training incentives
  • Hiring incentives
  • Outright tax returns
  • Tax incentives
  • Below cost land and lease rates

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2014/05/15/Canadas-34-Billion-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies/

http://www.thesudburystar.com/2013/08/30/all-forms-of-energy-subsidized-in-canada

http://www.pembina.org/blog/making-sense-of-fossil-fuel-subsidies

http://www.desmog.ca/2013/05/10/just-how-much-exactly-are-you-paying-subsidize-fossil-fuels

http://www.actionplan.gc.ca/en/initiative/eliminating-fossil-fuel-subsidies(i like this one, direct from the Harper action plan)

http://www.canada.com/business/Kent+says+Canada+still+plans+eliminate+fossil+fuel+subsidies/6801941/story.html

http://www.iisd.org/gsi/sites/default/files/ffs_awc_3canprovinces.pdf

http://www.jeffrubinssmallerworld.com/2013/01/07/how-big-is-canadas-oil-subsidy-to-the-us/

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/11/11/oil-subsidies-canada_n_6140398.html

This is for the energy sector entirely. It also doesn't mention how much we lose via NAFTA by agreements made in resource trade at below market cost, nor does ti really mention the near half a billion spent giving subsidies to oil companies to research green tech and green recapture.

In total over $400 billion is spent subsidizing only oil worldwide. Just think on that. And then remember the estimated cost to end world hunger is only about $35 billion.

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WaRhippy try debating rather then just criticizing labamba and making up pure b.s.

What Provinces give to energy sectors has nothing to do with the federal government. You adding those numbers show how far you will bend the truth for sake of argument.

As for jobs in manufacturing, yes we all agree, but how do we compete with Mexico, China, India, etc?

Especially with lefties wanting minimum wage to increase?

You complain about labamba contradicting himself? Well so have you.

You claimed Canada was bombing Iraq without permission, flat out wrong!

You want more refineries but haven't insisted on who funds the multi billion dollar projects. You always claim you want a greener future, well building refineries is the opposite.

And finally how would your proposed refined oil get to market?

The vast majority of B.C seems to oppose that idea...

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Harper hasn't been Prime Minister for 12 years...

Also the Oil industry does not receive 38 million dollars of federal tax dollars.

Correct, Harper has been PM since Feb 2006, thanks for helping my math.

Did Hippy say $38 Billion of Federal subsidy or just $38 billion of subsidies?

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WaRhippy try debating rather then just criticizing labamba and making up pure b.s.

What Provinces give to energy sectors has nothing to do with the federal government. You adding those numbers show how far you will bend the truth for sake of argument.

As for jobs in manufacturing, yes we all agree, but how do we compete with Mexico, China, India, etc?

Especially with lefties wanting minimum wage to increase?

You complain about labamba contradicting himself? Well so have you.

You claimed Canada was bombing Iraq without permission, flat out wrong!

You want more refineries but haven't insisted on who funds the multi billion dollar projects. You always claim you want a greener future, well building refineries is the opposite.

And finally how would your proposed refined oil get to market?

The vast majority of B.C seems to oppose that idea...

Ryan Strome: 0 sources.

WarHippy: 9 sources.

making up pure b.s.

Projection much?

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Ryan Strome: 0 sources.

WarHippy: 9 sources.

Projection much?

What WH and the rest of you fail to see is the broader impact of oil subsidies. If you look at it with tunnel vision it's pretty easy to jump to conclusions.

There is no way in hell, the Oil industry has a negative GDP impact. The fact that I, or anyone else has to explain this is comical.

We are in a recession because of low oil prices, yet it is a negative on GDP to begin with so what gives?

I'm not even going to bother anymore, frankly this is becoming worriesome.

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Except RS you're cherry picking your arguments

I said bombing 2 countries. Syria is still a country. I said without UN resolution which is true.

I said $38 billion between federal and provincial. You ignored this too.

You said I'm making up "bs" yet I linked numerous sources.

Until such time as you and yours can debate honestly and critically here I'm just going to ask you to stop responding to me.

Pick a topic stick with it. Debate facts with facts not facts with opinions and obfuscation.

Then we can do this again.

Until then can you kids stop shilling oil like it's the only issue facing this country.

Unemployment

Environment

Education

Affordable Living

Health Care

National Drug Plan

Crime

These are issues worth speaking of. Not the endless whinging about oil. Socialism. Subsidies or how Mulcair is the next coming of Stalin or some such nonsense.

This is about a federal election. So start treating it like one if you would.

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Since posting "non" biased articles seems to be the norm, time to join in..

http://globalnews.ca/news/2129666/ndp-urges-parents-who-dont-need-child-care-cheques-to-donate-them-to-party/

http://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=544254&playlistId=1.2219880&binId=1.810401&playlistPageNum=1&binPageNum=1

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/12/politicians-are-fossil-fools

http://calgaryherald.com/opinion/corbella-join-fairy-godmother-as-she-makes-our-oil-vanish

http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/manitoba-premier-looks-at-changing-law-that-requires-balanced-budgets-1.2356764#_gus

http://www.manitobaforward.ca/manitobas-real-unemployment-rate/

Saw this post the other day, thought it was well written

How to get on the same page as an NDP supporter:

Thinks "big corporations" are bad and control the government! So they must be taxed more. (They supply jobs, and bring in lots of government revenue) but.... The CEO make too much money.

Nobody should own a gun. Guns kill people, not the person who shot it. (Yet criminals will have guns even when the law abiding won't.)

"Tax the rich!" These people have it too easy, we have starving family's and people who are barely getting by. It's not fair. Redistribution of wealth is a good thing, because not everyone want to work hard. Taxes pay for healthcare and education! People who make more money don't deserve to be paid anymore than a minimum wage worker. (Really? Giving more money to those who don't wanna work creates motivation? No it doesn't. People should be awarded higher pay with harder work, it's the cycle of life. We should all try and better ourselves. We all have to start somewhere. Taking more money away from anyone means less spending, only hurting the economy. Punishing the rich only leads to job loss and less investors.) wanting more for less is the new thing!

Green energy works! Canada's oil is killing the environment and we need to change this. Alberta's "tar" sands makes Alberta the biggest reason why Canada is dirty. I'd rather see windmills then a coal plant! Look at all the protestors, we need more look at the dead ducks, this is a disgrace! (Alberta has the cleanest and most environmentally friendliest oil in the world yet China produces as much GHG in one day compared to the oil sands would in way over 25 years, so why are there protestors here? The oil company's plant trees and refurbish the land afterwards plus the natural resource sector employes millions of people and brings in billions of revenue to our governments. We have the biggest oil reserves and yet, it's better to buy oil from a country with no laws? We need oil in our everyday lives .. From buying a coffee to driving a car, we know "green" energy doesn't work.. It's too costly and inefficient. Be careful what you wish for, we could have no jobs and windmills that don't work! Have you ever thought that "green" energy is only a term the left use to gain votes?) But it makes sense to go back to using horses and wagons, cars pollute this earth.

Unions are good, they've made the work industry what it is! That's why it's safe.. So thank a union. Unions pay way more also! (Unions are not what they used to be. Every job has standard safety protocols to follow. Unions are corrupt, they influence leftist governments because that's who funds them. They take away workers money and misuse it. They drive motivation away and make all employees equal, union jobs take more time to complete... Benefits? Less overtime and less bonuses, less time getting things done and more protests!) unions help those who can't get a good job... A job.

The conservatives have done nothing good for our Country, vets get the cold shoulder and aboriginals are under funded and have no say in important issues, the conservatives are greedy, the conservatives don't help the poor, they are corrupt, they are homophobes and bigots, they lack in all areas. Harper has ruined Canada. (let's turn this down a notch, the media doesn't help with this as they promote the left government, social media exploded with anti-Conservative ads, these all are paid for by unions, not every damn thing you read is true! In fact under Harper; Natives have more say, remember they are can be corrupt just like anyone else.. They only want more Money. Vets are cared for, the problem is they have to deal with unions. Most vets would agree they support Harper, funding has increased ever since the liberals left office. It's all games, minorities are an easy target and will say anything for attention.. Whether it be a feminist or a protestor or a gay parade. No politician should stoop so low to support a group that infringes on the majority! Conservatives are tax payers who like a diverse economy and less government involvement. What's so wrong about Canada? It's the best country to live in, and work in. It has more freedom than any other country, thanks to Harper we pay less taxes and have the best rated country to live in, it's the best place to invest and make a business. The grass isn't greener on the other side, what have the NDP done that's good? Everyone looks away when it comes to focusing on the good things the conservatives have done.)

Healthcare and education, this is what the government should focus on, Canada is lacking on these areas, long line ups and schools are over crowding. We need more money towards these. (Of course the left government uses this to their advantage, It's their platform policies to fund these areas more. Take a look around, we have a great system that's only getting better. We over fund these areas. Look at the numbers. The problem is they want every kid to own an iPad to take notes, "modernization" it's a battle that will always be on the rise. School is important, but we have to ask ourselves when too much is TOO MUCH! this costs money.. Comes from the pockets of taxpayers. Not every teacher needs a bigger paycheque or a $10,000 coffee machine! These government ran operations would work better if it had more say from the private sector, even doctors are greedy.. They want more money as well! Yes it's deserved, and yes healthcare is very important! But, we can't over spend. We can't go out of our means and live on hopes and dreams! We need a budget! The reasons why it's backed up is because healthcare is free.. Anyone can go in for a check up, even non-Canadians. We are blowing small things out of proportion. The conservative support and maintain both, we don't need change when change is destructive.

The "middle" class is poor, we can't get jobs! The NDP sticks up for the middle class. (ya, taxing the job suppliers more helps... Middle class jobs aren't jobs working at McDonalds! The only thing the "middle" class needs is support and more options from the private sector! The NDP have no plans whatsoever. The "middle" class in Canada is the richest among many nations. We have never had it so good. Lower taxes means more freedom. Not supporting the natural resource sectors isn't helping Tom Mulcair.)

Terrorism and protecting Canada, we all know that the conservatives are making Canadians over worried and spreading fear throughout and are over exaggerating terrorism in Canada, they only want to spy on us! Bill C-51 is bad. (The conservatives have always been tough on justice, we need to support our military and stay strong.. If we didn't back the United States up, would they back is up? It's true terrorism is growing and Canada is a perfect place to hide out! The last thing we need is more people dead.. Terrorists have shown us time and time again they can be any race and any religion. That's why we need to take all precaution! And as for BillC-51 nobody's really read the damn thing, it only gives more power to the police. It helps monitor terrorist suspects, it helps keep protests civil. Get with the program, the left will say anything to make the conservatives look bad! Nothing to hide? Then you won't have to worry!)

History, the NDP have done a great job in Saskatchewan and Manitoba and British Columbia and Ontario and Alberta and the east provinces, that's why they get voted in! (Hahahahahahaha x 10. The NDP ruined economy's in every province because they support high taxes and less jobs.. More welfare cheques and more government ran businesses.)

Equalization payments and who has more say! Canada revolves around Quebec, they should have 50+1 say compared to all provinces, that's where the population is. Alberta is full of rednecks, etc. Even though the eastern provinces get royalty money they are not getting enough.. Look at the debt charts! Alberta and Saskatchewan need to help out the other provinces more because they can't help out themselves. (Alberta and Saskatchewan pay well over enough money... The eastern provinces keep digging themselves in a hole because they keep electing the left governments that bring in high taxes and they over spend! No budgets and an open cheque book. As if Quebec should have more say, we are all one country, if Quebec had all day we would have French road signs and no oilfield. Both two different places with different needs. The reason behind this is Tom Mulcair is a French boy, he has duel citizenship and respects the French more than the English. Plain and simple.)

Minimum wage needs to be raised, the minimum wage is not livable and these people bust their asses off, it's time we paid these people more to help stimulate the economy! (Sorry this is a tax scam only for the government to get more revenue. This means the cost of living goes up and job loss! Small businesses can't afford this... We all should better ourselves and not make a career out of flipping burgers. Plus we all have an equal chance at bettering ourselves. These people want more for less! Livable it is: instead of buying $200 jeans buy $30 jeans! It's the cycle of life.. Where we learn to save money and spend it. Minimum wage jobs are replaceable. It would cause havoc because those who work harder making $16 an hour would feel pretty upset.. With nobody working, everyone would be poor and living off welfare. No one benefits.)

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Except RS you're cherry picking your arguments

I said bombing 2 countries. Syria is still a country. I said without UN resolution which is true.

I said $38 billion between federal and provincial. You ignored this too.

You said I'm making up "bs" yet I linked numerous sources.

Until such time as you and yours can debate honestly and critically here I'm just going to ask you to stop responding to me.

Pick a topic stick with it. Debate facts with facts not facts with opinions and obfuscation.

Then we can do this again.

Until then can you kids stop shilling oil like it's the only issue facing this country.

Unemployment

Environment

Education

Affordable Living

Health Care

National Drug Plan

Crime

These are issues worth speaking of. Not the endless whinging about oil. Socialism. Subsidies or how Mulcair is the next coming of Stalin or some such nonsense.

This is about a federal election. So start treating it like one if you would.

Great shopping list, good luck paying for it especially when the government loses so much money from Oil

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Allow me to sum up the conservative experience,

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Remind us again how well the ndp has governed, maybe you can get hippy to help you...

Ontario-enormous debt, high taxes, huge unemployment numbers. Ahh the Rae days.

B.c-stagnate growth, little investment, high taxes.

Saskatchewan-was governed by ndp for the majority of a century during which time it was a nothing province, now a global leader under right wing.

Manitoba- high taxes, low household income, pst raised last year.

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Remind us again how well the ndp has governed, maybe you can get hippy to help you...

Ontario-enormous debt, high taxes, huge unemployment numbers. Ahh the Rae days.

B.c-stagnate growth, little investment, high taxes.

Saskatchewan-was governed by ndp for the majority of a century during which time it was a nothing province, now a global leader under right wing.

Manitoba- high taxes, low household income, pst raised last year.

Meanwhile, we have a Prime Minister unwilling to answer a single pointed question. A man who transformed Canada from a leader in global peacekeeping into a country that follows whatever the US wants to do. Harper pushed through C-51, which is a fundamentally unacceptable bill for a country that hopes to avoid becoming a police state. While campaigning on running the economy, Herr Harper has no idea how to actually foster a sustainable economy, instead putting all his horses in front of his cronies in big oil.

Finally, this scumbag wishes to waste more of my tax dollars by escalating the drug war and mock candidates who want to end the madness.

I'll take a few higher taxes over a facist dictator myself.

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so....6 links. 4 deal with provincial level issues and a tirade written by someone who still probably believes the evil soviets are coming across the bering strait which you thought was well written.

Come back when you can speak more about the election as a whole and not just oil.

Because believe it or not...thus is about Canada.

Not Alberta alone

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Meanwhile, we have a Prime Minister unwilling to answer a single pointed question. A man who transformed Canada from a leader in global peacekeeping into a country that follows whatever the US wants to do. Harper pushed through C-51, which is a fundamentally unacceptable bill for a country that hopes to avoid becoming a police state. While campaigning on running the economy, Herr Harper has no idea how to actually foster a sustainable economy, instead putting all his horses in front of his cronies in big oil.

Finally, this scumbag wishes to waste more of my tax dollars by escalating the drug war and mock candidates who want to end the madness.

I'll take a few higher taxes over a facist dictator myself.

I have said this a billion times. Harper is no saint but show me something better.

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