Republican Debate - More Trouble For Trump Over Sexist Megyn Kelly Comments

[aeromotacanucks]

these nuts are planning to put a missile defending system in Poland, Turkey and Ukraine?

are these nut Republicans interested start the WW3?

you don´t deal with Russia by putting weapons near their border! never worked before...

[Realtor Rod]

Anyone who has followed US politics or studied it, has there been a polarizing figure like trump elected before? Someone who isn't really left or right, someone all the parties dislike.

[Blackberries]

Hitler?

[DonLever]

Too bad I did not see it because I don't have Fox News but apparently it was very entertaining.

From the NY Times:

Donald J. Trump was outrageous. He was demeaning. He was even somewhat menacing, warning a female moderator that he could turn on her at any moment.

When confronted with his tendency to describe the women he dislikes as “fat pigs,” “slobs” or “disgusting animals,” he dismissively replied that neither he nor the United States “have time for political correctness.”

After he thoroughly rattled the Republican presidential field and emerged as its singular vexation in the 2016 campaign, the question hovering over Mr. Trump, the developer turned reality TV star turned candidate, was whether he would adopt the measured and diplomatic manner of a plausible president for Thursday night’s debate.

Not a chance.

From the opening moments of the evening, when he flashed a wry grin and a mischievous victory sign at the boisterous crowd, Mr. Trump remained his irrepressible self: aggrandizing, unapologetic and cutting

“I don’t think you heard me,” he scowled at Senator Rand Paul, when the lawmaker — who uses hearing aides — sought to interrupt him, then added condescendingly, “You’re having a hard time tonight.”

Times reporters watched and analyzed the prime-time G.O.P. debate and the preliminary contest. The Times also chatted about the debate and provided fact checks

.

Over and over, in moments that were as startling as they were comedic, he openly flouted the rules of political decorum — not to mention those of a Republican Party that punishes disloyalty and the slightest flirtation with members of the opposition.

At one point, Mr. Trump bragged about his donations to the nation’s leading Democrat and a rival candidate for the White House, Hillary Rodham Clinton, saying the contribution gave him the power to beckon, if not demand, her attendance at his most recent nuptials.

“I said, ‘Be at my wedding.’ And she came to my wedding,” Mr. Trump declared. “You know why? She didn’t have a choice because I gave.”

At another moment, he boasted about making a “lot of money” before abandoning his casino business in a struggling Atlantic City as a dumbfounded Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey who has sought to revive the seaside town, looked on. “Chris can tell you,” Mr. Trump said.

In his antic performance, Mr. Trump telegraphed that he would stick with a candidacy whose sole selling point is a fiery and uncontrollable personality. And it is unclear that he is capable of, or even interested in, turning the anger that he has stirred into a full-fledged political movement or a set of policy prescriptions that could attract a broader following.

He seemed to both amuse and alienate the audience at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland and beyond. He severely tested their tolerance when, at the start of the debate, he blithely refused to rule out a third-party run that could doom the Republican nominee.

In an unfamiliar experience for a candidate accustomed to adoring crowds, the arena erupted into jeers.

His dead-center placement on the stage amounted to a signal moment in the interlacing of America’s political system and its entertainment industry. Not since 1980, when Ronald Reagan, a Hollywood leading man who built a comparatively hefty résumé in government as the two-term governor of California, has either party fielded a candidate who so conspicuously straddled both worlds.

At times on Thursday night, it was hard to distinguish between Mr. Trump the presidential candidate and Mr. Trump the irascible reality TV star, ready to fire the Fox News hosts sitting in front of him.

When Megyn Kelly pressed Mr. Trump on his unflattering descriptions of women, Mr. Trump grew impatient and, finally, intimidating.

“Honestly, Megyn, if you don’t like it, I’m sorry,” he said. “I’ve been very nice to you, although I could probably maybe not be based on the way you have treated me.”

Despite the assurances from the moderators that Mr. Trump would not hijack the high-profile opportunity for the Republican field to introduce itself to America, the businessman could not be stopped.

He received about three times as many opportunities to speak as some of his fellow candidates — a gap that left lesser-known rivals, like Ben Carson, moaning about an elusive spotlight. “I wasn’t sure I was going to get to talk again,” Mr. Carson said plaintively.

But as Mr. Trump learned, when the show is not your own, it is difficult to control the outcome.

Whenever the crowd or the moderators signaled disapproval, a pursed-lipped frown came over his face and he seemed genuinely wounded.

“I don’t think they like me very much,” he said.

[Tortorella's Rant]

Anyone who has followed US politics or studied it, has there been a polarizing figure like trump elected before? Someone who isn't really left or right, someone all the parties dislike.

He would be the first non-politician to win it as far as I know. Everyone else has been either been a politician at some level, a general, or a FF.

It's probably far fetched but I wouldn't be surprised if he was a Democrat "mole" there to sabotage the GOP's chances. Especially if he runs as independent. Practically paving the way for Hillary although I'd prefer Sanders I think..

[DeNiro]

So tired of immigration and terrorism taking up so much of the debate topics, while things like health care, education, and climate change seem almost like an afterthought.

So misguided.

[milk and honey]

On 8/7/2015 at 11:48 PM, DeNiro said:

So tired of immigration and terrorism taking up so much of the debate topics, while things like health care, education, and climate change seem almost like an afterthought.

 

So misguided.

If you follow us issues you would know that immigration and terrorism are the most popular issues with the average American.

 

 

[Tortorella's Rant]

If you follow us issues you would know that immigration and terrorism are the most popular issues with Americans and what they care most about.

illegal immigrants that even when caught are allowed to stay in usa. Are taking away jobs which takes away Americans money to help them get health care and better education.

Terrorism is a very real and imo the biggest problem for the usa especially when terror groups are targeting westerners. USA have experienced 9/11 and risking the national safety by not educating the viewers about their plans to talk about terrorism is "misguided." When Mexicans jump over a fence and are treated like legal americans. this begs the issue that isis and terror groups are most likely coming into the states without no issue. national safety is directed related to illegal immigrants.

health care, education and climate care are important but maybe someone should tell Mrs.Obama stop telling schools what to feed their children when they barely can afford proper books, tables, and educational materials. I actually would of liked more time on health care but felt that the time spent on the 2 big issues above were acceptable at least imo.

just my 2cents

Except there's no real proof of this. Or evidence for that matter. I'm not scared of terrorists. I don't think anyone here should be - at all. Why? Because you're more likely to be killed by hundreds of other things than a terrorist. You're more likely to not wake up tomorrow morning for whatever reason than Jihadi John is to get you. The media scared the people across the border though, as usual, and they fell for it. Plus, these primitive scumbags are 8,000 miles away.

[Realtor Rod]

Except there's no real proof of this. Or evidence for that matter. I'm not scared of terrorists. I don't think anyone here should be - at all. Why? Because you're more likely to be killed by hundreds of other things than a terrorist. You're more likely to not wake up tomorrow morning for whatever reason than Jihadi John is to get you. The media scared the people across the border though, as usual, and they fell for it. Plus, these primitive scumbags are 8,000 miles away.

While I agree, it is the violent, aggressive nature that terrorists fulfill their act. Car crashes happen. Terrorism is planned and haunts people, especially in today's instant notification society.

[jdatb]

Carly Fiorina did very well in the first debate. I would have liked to see her in the second one with the "big guns".

[Mr. Ambien]

I actually agree with Stewart for once, but he's talking about Sanders, whereas I'm thinking Trump, Paul, Johnson, Kucinich, Nader, Perot, etc.

[BeefcakeBo]

I really think Trump has a good shot at the nomination. If he isn't nominated and runs as an independent he is too much of a media circus that it will cost the Republicans any shot at winning.

I also think that he would be a good change in American politics. People will vote for him because he isn't a politician, he says what he thinks, and not what he thinks will be the most politically correct or get him the most votes ect. People are sick of being scammed into voting for politicians that do an 180 after election day.

[aeromotacanucks]

Too bad I did not see it because I don't have Fox News but apparently it was very entertaining.

From the NY Times:

Donald J. Trump was outrageous. He was demeaning. He was even somewhat menacing, warning a female moderator that he could turn on her at any moment.

When confronted with his tendency to describe the women he dislikes as “fat pigs,” “slobs” or “disgusting animals,” he dismissively replied that neither he nor the United States “have time for political correctness.”

After he thoroughly rattled the Republican presidential field and emerged as its singular vexation in the 2016 campaign, the question hovering over Mr. Trump, the developer turned reality TV star turned candidate, was whether he would adopt the measured and diplomatic manner of a plausible president for Thursday night’s debate.

Not a chance.

From the opening moments of the evening, when he flashed a wry grin and a mischievous victory sign at the boisterous crowd, Mr. Trump remained his irrepressible self: aggrandizing, unapologetic and cutting

“I don’t think you heard me,” he scowled at Senator Rand Paul, when the lawmaker — who uses hearing aides — sought to interrupt him, then added condescendingly, “You’re having a hard time tonight.”

Times reporters watched and analyzed the prime-time G.O.P. debate and the preliminary contest. The Times also chatted about the debate and provided fact checks

.

Over and over, in moments that were as startling as they were comedic, he openly flouted the rules of political decorum — not to mention those of a Republican Party that punishes disloyalty and the slightest flirtation with members of the opposition.

At one point, Mr. Trump bragged about his donations to the nation’s leading Democrat and a rival candidate for the White House, Hillary Rodham Clinton, saying the contribution gave him the power to beckon, if not demand, her attendance at his most recent nuptials.

“I said, ‘Be at my wedding.’ And she came to my wedding,” Mr. Trump declared. “You know why? She didn’t have a choice because I gave.”

At another moment, he boasted about making a “lot of money” before abandoning his casino business in a struggling Atlantic City as a dumbfounded Chris Christie, the governor of New Jersey who has sought to revive the seaside town, looked on. “Chris can tell you,” Mr. Trump said.

In his antic performance, Mr. Trump telegraphed that he would stick with a candidacy whose sole selling point is a fiery and uncontrollable personality. And it is unclear that he is capable of, or even interested in, turning the anger that he has stirred into a full-fledged political movement or a set of policy prescriptions that could attract a broader following.

He seemed to both amuse and alienate the audience at the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland and beyond. He severely tested their tolerance when, at the start of the debate, he blithely refused to rule out a third-party run that could doom the Republican nominee.

In an unfamiliar experience for a candidate accustomed to adoring crowds, the arena erupted into jeers.

His dead-center placement on the stage amounted to a signal moment in the interlacing of America’s political system and its entertainment industry. Not since 1980, when Ronald Reagan, a Hollywood leading man who built a comparatively hefty résumé in government as the two-term governor of California, has either party fielded a candidate who so conspicuously straddled both worlds.

At times on Thursday night, it was hard to distinguish between Mr. Trump the presidential candidate and Mr. Trump the irascible reality TV star, ready to fire the Fox News hosts sitting in front of him.

When Megyn Kelly pressed Mr. Trump on his unflattering descriptions of women, Mr. Trump grew impatient and, finally, intimidating.

“Honestly, Megyn, if you don’t like it, I’m sorry,” he said. “I’ve been very nice to you, although I could probably maybe not be based on the way you have treated me.”

Despite the assurances from the moderators that Mr. Trump would not hijack the high-profile opportunity for the Republican field to introduce itself to America, the businessman could not be stopped.

He received about three times as many opportunities to speak as some of his fellow candidates — a gap that left lesser-known rivals, like Ben Carson, moaning about an elusive spotlight. “I wasn’t sure I was going to get to talk again,” Mr. Carson said plaintively.

But as Mr. Trump learned, when the show is not your own, it is difficult to control the outcome.

Whenever the crowd or the moderators signaled disapproval, a pursed-lipped frown came over his face and he seemed genuinely wounded.

“I don’t think they like me very much,” he said.

boy you have no idea how fun it was

see rich wierdoes telling thins they don´t actually know in world wide TV is simply priceless

Trump calling Kelly (the woman moderator) as “fat pigs,” “slobs” or “disgusting animals” and even fighting with her (and then she fighting back) was simply duper...

then at some point Kelly asked:

"ok mr Trump with so many things you agree with the Democrats why you became a Republican?"

and then Trump having problems to give some decent answer...

but seriously. Trump is a wierdoe. he had a "wonderfull" idea of put another missile defense system near Russia. oh yeah always worked before right?

yeah. Trump has a briliant idea: "hmmm. I start the WW3 and if we survive we gonna have the rest of the ashes to rule..."

Trump might be a great score on his company but manage a country is a totally diferent story. do you think Russia and China will play nice if this cuco gets elected? don´t think so...

Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio on the other side played well.

[KoreanHockeyFan]

I really think Trump has a good shot at the nomination. If he isn't nominated and runs as an independent he is too much of a media circus that it will cost the Republicans any shot at winning.

I also think that he would be a good change in American politics. People will vote for him because he isn't a politician, he says what he thinks, and not what he thinks will be the most politically correct or get him the most votes ect. People are sick of being scammed into voting for politicians that do an 180 after election day.

Yeah, but what he thinks and says is absolutely lunatic. I commend his attempt at dismantling this whole concept of political correctness, but he has no knowledge of the current issues at hand and doesn't have a single grasp on any sort of policies.

I'm only rooting for Trump to become the Republican nominee just so I can see an entertaining Presidential election campaign and watch the Republican party burn to the ground.

[Realtor Rod]

I actually agree with Stewart for once, but he's talking about Sanders, whereas I'm thinking Trump, Paul, Johnson, Kucinich, Nader, Perot, etc.

When stewart failed to properly hammer Hillary on the email scandal, I stopped watching.

[Realtor Rod]

boy you have no idea how fun it was

see rich wierdoes telling thins they don´t actually know in world wide TV is simply priceless

Trump calling Kelly (the woman moderator) as fat pigs, slobs or disgusting animals and even fighting with her (and then she fighting back) was simply duper...

then at some point Kelly asked:

"ok mr Trump with so many things you agree with the Democrats why you became a Republican?"

and then Trump having problems to give some decent answer...

but seriously. Trump is a wierdoe. he had a "wonderfull" idea of put another missile defense system near Russia. oh yeah always worked before right?

yeah. Trump has a briliant idea: "hmmm. I start the WW3 and if we survive we gonna have the rest of the ashes to rule..."

Trump might be a great score on his company but manage a country is a totally diferent story. do you think Russia and China will play nice if this cuco gets elected? don´t think so...

Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio on the other side played well.

Trump was the clear winner. Only by default though. Everyone was taking shots at him and he just kept going. He is crazy though.

[DonLever]

From BBC

A major US conservative forum has dropped Donald Trump as a speaker, saying it was unacceptable for him to suggest that a journalist was tough on him because she was menstruating.

Mr Trump said Megyn Kelly of Fox News "had blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever".

Ms Kelly had challenged him on remarks he made about women during a TV debate.

Amid the controversy it emerged that Mr Trump's top political adviser had left his campaign.

Mr Trump said he had sacked Roger Stone. But Mr Stone later tweeted that the Republican contender "didn't fire me - I fired Trump", adding that he disagreed with the "diversion" created by the comments about Ms Kelly.

Mr Trump was one of 10 Republican presidential candidates in a TV debate co-hosted by Ms Kelly on Thursday, which was watched by a record 24 million people.

Early on in the debate, Ms Kelly asked him why voters should elect a man who has called women "fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals".

Mr Trump joked that he only said that about TV personality Rosie O'Donnell before adding: "I don't have time for total political correctness."

[John Tortorella]

Go Trump Go

[Ghostsof1915]

[RUPERTKBD]

Anyone who has followed US politics or studied it, has there been a polarizing figure like trump elected before? Someone who isn't really left or right, someone all the parties dislike.