alfstonker Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 prust-vey-dorsett i like prust and dorsett as 4th line wingers because what you see is what you get but vey is a horrible fit on that line so it might effect that lines potential as a whole On the contrary, I think Vey is the perfect fit for that line. Vey makes that line a real "hockey line" because he has a good hockey IQ, he is a grafter and he is quick and busy. He is the perfect foil to knit that line together imo. People have been far too hard on Vey last season which was in effect his first full rookie season. He was fitting in and if anything he was trying too hard and at times did not have the stamina to back it up. That said I lost count of the number of times he came back and got our injury hit D out of trouble. Maybe if Gaunce was ready I would try him out but it seems he may not be so I would definitely go with Vey meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 Honestly, the trade with Kassian still stings, and if Kassian becomes the powerforward next year and nabs 35 point than no matter what Prust does it will never come close to Kassian because the fans will be watching Kassian's production closely. We know what Prust is going to give us, a couple of heroic blocks, some hits, some penalties, some penalty kills, some goals, but if Kassian turns into the power-forward oh boy oh boy,then Prust will have a tough time in Vancity. In short, if Kassain stumbles next year than Prust can be the hero otherwise tough luck and good-luck filling those shoes. Personally, I don't see Kassian stumbling next year, I see him nabbing 30+ points for Montreal. Kassian's gone. Get over it for goodness sake and give the rest of us a break. It was bad enough having multiple 100+ post threads on him failing to prove his potential when he was here but he's not our problem now. Even if he hits it off with Montreal, it will only prove that he didn't realise how many people tried to help him here and how he constantly let them down but has finally woken up. People like you of course would then make it out to be some huge blunder but it won't be, it will just be another player who needed to head for the last chance saloon before he finally "gets it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 Prust on his role ...the Reality Limited Minimal Short term. And A waste of a young asset. I look forward to see his one goal this season and 3 minutes of ice time per game. Stop comparing Prust with Kassian. It was a trade. You do understand that a trade can involve swapping two players of different talents, characters, work ethic, reliability to fit the teams needs. Well heads up, that's what we did. We already have players who will fill Kassian's "role" (whatever that was) in Utica coming through, so we used him to trade for what we needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 no matter how you put it, when you are only 6'0 and less than 200 pounds, it is hard to carry the enforcer or policeman role.... It didn't stop Rick (5'-11" 194lbs) and in case you forgot Prust was one of the few combatants who could put up a decent fight against Rick. It is not who is fighting or even who wins, it is "You will not cheap shot, molest, or bully our stars/ rookies with impunity" Warning has been served. Rick did it for us and now we have 2 of the best in their class doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Vancouver Canucks: Brandon Prust Explains His Stance on Fighting August 12, 2015, 1:37 PM ET [50 Comments] Carol Schram Vancouver Canucks Blogger • RSS • Archive • CONTACT If you're interested in getting to know more about new Canucks acquisition Brandon Prust, there's plenty of material available for your offseason consumption. Prust has an active Twitter account which features plenty of summer charity appearances, as well as a cameo in the Goon movie sequel which was shot last week: Prust also has an entire chapter dedicated to him in Bob McKenzie's recent book "Hockey Confidential." And, of course, he's a key figure in Season 1 of the reality show "Hockey Wives" alongside his now-fiancee Maripier Morin. The show is in summer reruns on the W Network and online. I came across this piece over at The Players' Tribune site yesterday, written by Prust in late February. The title: "Why We Fight." In addition to giving some background on how he used fighting and a stubborn work ethic to make his way into the NHL, he also goes into some detail about the idea that "fighting keeps the game safe." During a close game against Anaheim midway through last season, Prust had to decide whether or not to pick a fight after Max Pacioretty got pasted into the glass and was knocked out of the game. I couldn’t let it go. I went after the player who hit him and tried to get my fight. Now, I’m not a guy to chirp a lot. I mean, I’ll tell guys to shut the eff up and all that, but I’m not one to go after guys’ feelings and whatnot. My thing is, if you want to go, you want to go. There’s no point in making fun of each other’s moms out here. We can settle it a certain way. Luckily, I got my fight that night. I had to let the league know you can’t take runs at our best players. There's a lot more in the story about Prust's fighting philosophy, "the code" and how enforcers treat each other on the ice. It's well worth a read. But it's leaving me conflicted. On the weekend, I finished reading the Derek Boogaard biography "Boy on Ice," which paints a devastating picture of the consequences of fighting. The overall structure of the book leaves a bit to be desired, but the author paints a vivid picture of the rough-and-tumble Western Hockey League in the first 100 pages and opens up a lot of questions about the effectiveness of the NHL's substance abuse program during the last quarter of the book. It's worth a read if you're interested in learning more about the inner workings of how teams deal with players' injuries and off-ice issues. Also, for Canuck content: Boogaard's last coach in the WHL before he started his pro career was Willie Desjardins—he played a total of 73 games over two seasons with the Medicine Hat Tigers. And Boogaard's last coach in the NHL was John Tortorella. He managed just 22 games with the New York Rangers during the last season of his life; suffice to say, his time with Torts did not go well. The more we learn about the consequences of brain trauma, the more I wonder whether there shouldn't be another way to police the game. Do players really pass up hits that could cause injury to their opponents because they fear potential repercussions? If you look at the stats on HockeyFights.com, you'll see a clear downward trend on fighting in the NHL, especially in recent years. The site has kept track of fights since the beginning of the millennium and shows that fighting peaked in 2001-02 when 348 players (roughly half the players in the league) fought 803 times. Last season, fighting hit its lowest frequency yet, with just 276 players fighting 391 times—more than 50 percent of that peak number above. (And yes, it still makes me chuckle that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins and Dan Hamhuis have their names included on last year's fighting list.) Last season, there were eight fights in the entire playoffs. Five of them happened in Vancouver's powderkeg series with Calgary, and Prust was involved in one of the three others—squaring off against Braydon Coburn of the Tampa Bay Lightning at the end of Game 2 of the Canadiens' second-round playoff series after being challenged for running Lightning goalie Ben Bishop. That's the incident where Prust accused referee Brad Watson of insulting him inappropriately and being overly heavy-handed in giving him 27 minutes in penalties.Click here for a reminder of what went down that night, from Jen Neale at Yahoo's Puck Daddy. Prust was ultimately fined $5,000 for that incident. I wonder whether it'll follow him among the officiating fraternity this season in the same way that Alex Burrows' reputation seemed to be affected after he called out referee Stephane Auger back in 2010. Burrows was fined $2,500 for that incident. I'm interested to see if the tag team of Prust and Derek Dorsett will truly create the "safe working environment" for the Sedins and Vancouver's young players that Jim Benning is anticipating. I expect fighting to continue to drop around the league, yet somehow I think we'll still see plenty of guys square off at Canucks games next season.Part of me wants to stay involved in the game, and part of me wants to get revenge. I’m sitting on the bench thinking, “Okay, I could let this go, but what happens when the rest of the league sees that hit and we don’t do anything about it?” http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Carol-Schram/Vancouver-Canucks-Brandon-Prust-Explains-His-Stance-on-Fighting/194/70415 Last year's fighting shows a two year trend of the death of the enforcer (pure fighters). 4th line guys need to kill penalties, take face offs and do other things (of which both Prust and Dorsett are at the top of their class) - while playing 10-12 good minutes to lighten the load for the rest of the team. Proberts book was the best yet as an insight into the life of the enforcer - and the movie the Last Gladiators was excellent and showing when the enforcer came into hockey and the life of Chris Nilan. Fighting was much lower before the mid-60's, when players were expected to handle that stuff themselves - in fact the league leaders in FM was usually around 4-6 (per season!) and peaked in the 90's. Not there yet (4-6 FM leaders) but there is definitely a downward trend. Good post. Prust and Dorsett put us ahead of this trend, and it should help our line-up AND keep some players from taking liberties on our young guys/star players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanBeef Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I read this, and noticed its source: Hockey Buzz. Why bring that here? Prust stands up for his teammates. We knew this. Kassian did not. We knew this too. That's why Prust is in and Kassian is out. IMO What? -The same Kassian who got beat up by Clowe as a 21 year old because he got into an altercation with Burrows at the beginning of the game? -Tried multiple times to fight Nolan after his runs on Henrik. -Got a huge shiner in his eye by one of the toughest players in the NHL (Reaves) while trying to stand up for the Sedins. -Stood up for Tanev after Tootoo ran him -Able to diffuse Weber and Marchand's situation with big Chara on the ice. The list goes on... Many people took Kassian's ability to stand up for his teammates for granted including Benning. Im happy that we have Prust now on the team but there's no reason why we should ignore Kassian's ability to stand up for his teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I read this, and noticed its source: Hockey Buzz. Why bring that here? Prust stands up for his teammates. We knew this. Kassian did not. We knew this too. That's why Prust is in and Kassian is out. IMO The reason Kassian will never have to fight as much as Prust is because people are scared sh*tless of him already. Who wants to drop the gloves with stick-swinging, gap-toothed, beedy eyed, Sestito-looking mofo? That's right, only people as crazy as him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 What?-The same Kassian who got beat up by Clowe as a 21 year old because he got into an altercation with Burrows at the beginning of the game?-Tried multiple times to fight Nolan after his runs on Henrik.-Got a huge shiner in his eye by one of the toughest players in the NHL (Reaves) while trying to stand up for the Sedins.-Stood up for Tanev after Tootoo ran him-Able to diffuse Weber and Marchand's situation with big Chara on the ice.The list goes on... Many people took Kassian's ability to stand up for his teammates for granted including Benning.Im happy that we have Prust now on the team but there's no reason why we should ignore Kassian's ability to stand up for his teammates.As well as putting the biggest Canuck runner and biggest p.o.s. out of the league in Ben Eager. That guy tried to kill Daniel Sedin and would have laughed about it if he did kill him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 As I said, we are not trying to compare Kassian and Prust here. We will likely get complete shifts from Prust IN HIS ROLE, that is all we will ask of him (as we did AND GOT from Dorsett, who surprised a lot of people with just how good a player he is) Personally, I don't think Kassian ever fulfilled the role we wanted from him. He thought he was a different player altogether (and maybe he was but that was not what we traded for) He was weak on the boards, continually losing one on one battles, easily moved from in front of the net by smaller Ds. Sadly he also took too many silly penalties and seemed to get on the officials radar because of it. Prust is here because Prust and what he brings and what he is was what we traded for. And Dorsett thanked Benning for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deized_kanuck604 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Honestly, the trade with Kassian still stings, and if Kassian becomes the powerforward next year and nabs 35 point than no matter what Prust does it will never come close to Kassian because the fans will be watching Kassian's production closely. We know what Prust is going to give us, a couple of heroic blocks, some hits, some penalties, some penalty kills, some goals, but if Kassian turns into the power-forward oh boy oh boy,then Prust will have a tough time in Vancity. In short, if Kassain stumbles next year than Prust can be the hero otherwise tough luck and good-luck filling those shoes. Personally, I don't see Kassian stumbling next year, I see him nabbing 30+ points for Montreal. 100% Kass will explode next year. We will be stuck with prust for two years until he retires. Kassian will explode. 20+ goals next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Stop comparing Prust with Kassian. It was a trade. You do understand that a trade can involve swapping two players of different talents, characters, work ethic, reliability to fit the teams needs. Well heads up, that's what we did. We already have players who will fill Kassian's "role" (whatever that was) in Utica coming through, so we used him to trade for what we needed. Not compairing kassian with Prust. Trading a young 24 year old (that regardless of what the every benning move is good homers are saying) for a 31 year with zero potential to get better was stupid. Trade kassian for draft picks another young forward or heaven for bid a D man . Prust might be a fan favourite because with the team benning is putting together we will need to cheer for something because it won't be for scoring and winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deized_kanuck604 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 [quote name="Mr.DirtyDangles" post="12913491" timestamp=" I look forward to the pitbulls lool Prust and Dorsett's intense 10-12 min of action packed ice time per game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbdoubleu Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Prust came off as a huge douche on that Hockey Wives show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 10-12 mins. No. More like 5-9 minutes realistically No, more like 10-12 realistically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I can't wait for the regular season when Kassian sharts the bed and does nothing, while Prust gives up 150% for the team and all you people whining about how much better Kassian was shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryCanuck Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 As well as putting the biggest Canuck runner and biggest p.o.s. out of the league in Ben Eager. That guy tried to kill Daniel Sedin and would have laughed about it if he did kill him. This is a point very well made, ben eager was a total pos and Kassian dealt with him effectively. I wonder where this part of his game disappeared to inside the last 2 years, he was not very consistent sticking up for his teamates in recent times. He seemed to lack heart for a while, I wonder if mgmt had anything to do with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I can't wait for the regular season when Kassian sharts the bed and does nothing, while Prust gives up 150% for the team and all you people whining about how much better Kassian was shut up. I wouldn't go that far and says Kassian is going to be any worse; it would be hard for him to do that considering how little he did while here. However, I would expect more of the same inconsistency because that is all we ever saw out of him. There really is nothing in his game to suggest that a new team and another new coach will do anything for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 10-12 mins. No. More like 5-9 minutes realistically did u even look at his career ATOI or Dorsetts' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted August 13, 2015 Author Share Posted August 13, 2015 This is a point very well made, ben eager was a total pos and Kassian dealt with him effectively. I wonder where this part of his game disappeared to inside the last 2 years, he was not very consistent sticking up for his teamates in recent times. He seemed to lack heart for a while, I wonder if mgmt had anything to do with this? More like his back had something to do with it. Clowe rag dolled him because he jarred his back again and again until Kass looked like Bambi on ice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 did u even look at his career ATOI or Dorsetts' ? Except Dorsett played way over his career average last season, as Prust likely will this season as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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