Bo Bo 53 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Hi guys theres been a lot of discussion about trading Lack but this thread is not about that is about which of are two remaining goalies will do better this year? Like save pctg. And also i guess goals against and shutouts and wins/losses? I think will be Marky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Miller. Miller had great numbers last year, and Markstrom's still developing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Markstrom's not even at Lack's level in the NHL just yet. Maybe he figures something out mentally but even if Miller downtrends a little more I doubt he falls behind Marky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 It's a no-brainer. Miller hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Miller. If Markstrom's numbers are good, it'll likely be partly due to playing against weaker teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Ryan Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Miller. If Markstrom's numbers are good, it'll likely be partly due to playing against weaker teams. It's a common misconception that the backup only gets to dine on bottom feeders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassboy4 Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The PITB guys (who were very bearish on Ryan Miller all through last season) put up a great piece detailing Miller's in-depth stats and arguing that they indicate an excellent goaltender who simply struggled with some technical changes he was trying to make on perimeter shots: http://vansunsportsblogs.com/2015/06/24/the-case-for-ryan-miller/ The TL;DR version is this: Ryan Miller was 8th in the league in SV% on high-danger shots (shots between the faceoff dots, below the hash marks). His high-danger SV% was in fact the second highest total of his career - second only to his Vezina-winning season. What dragged his SV% down, then, were his medium- and low-danger SV% numbers. These were exceptionally bad - around 40th in the league among goaltenders who played enough minutes. For a veteran starter to struggle this mightily with easy saves is a total anomaly - one that I don't think will repeat this year. The knock on Ryan Miller last year was that he seemed to make the toughest saves with ease, yet inexplicably let the easy shots elude him. The numbers bear this out. This can be explained by Miller making significant changes to his technique on these shots (incorporating the reverse-VH, for example) which is a process which takes time and repetition. As Miller was carrying the bulk of the starts, he had less time to work on technique with the goalie coach. But he has now had a full season and an offseason to work on them. I'm going on the record here: I think Ryan Miller is going to have a great year in 15-16: 30+ wins, top-10 in GAA and SV% and 8+ shutouts. I hope Markstrom lives up to the faith Jim Benning has in him, but for now, I think the net is in good hands with Ryan Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 ^^^ Those were interesting stats bassboy4......I saw them a while ago. Interesting Lack did well on low and medium danger shots and so so on high danger shots.(as you would expect) I think Miller's low save % was skewed a little last year because he had a few really bad games. I went back and found Millers regular season game by game record on ESPN. # Goals Against # Games 0 7* * the game he was injured in was a shut out but Miller only played 20:58 so is not 1 7 scored as a shut out on Millers' stats 2 10 3 6 4 6 5 8 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It's a common misconception that the backup only gets to dine on bottom feeders. I'd bet he will the first half of the year, break him in slow and give him the bottom feeders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuongo Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Miller easy. Another CDC gem for the archives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadcanucks Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 ^^^ Those were interesting stats bassboy4......I saw them a while ago. Interesting Lack did well on low and medium danger shots and so so on high danger shots.(as you would expect) I think Miller's low save % was skewed a little last year because he had a few really bad games. I went back and found Millers regular season game by game record on ESPN. # Goals Against # Games 0 7* * the game he was injured in was a shut out but Miller only played 20:58 so is not 1 7 scored as a shut out on Millers' stats 2 10 3 6 4 6 5 8 6 1 Miller let in 4+ goals in 15 of his 45 starts? Just going on my recollection, I would have said that that number would be more in the 11 games or 25% of his starts (as opposed to 33.3% of his starts). That actually shocks me that the frequency of "bad" games, even though it's only 4 more games than what I thought they would be are as high as they were. IMO, for the Canucks to have a legit shot at making the playoffs this coming season, Miller is going to have to start 60 games, and have no more than 12 starts where he lets in 4 goals and/or more...10 starts max at 3 goals against and 38 starts at 2 or less goals. Unless we get this kind of production out of Miller, it's going to be early tee times. I can see Markstrom giving the Canucks 22 starts...GAA of say 2.75 or 60 goals against...and a .500 W-L-OTL/SOL record. If we get this kind of tending, the Canucks should have a 98 point season which should give them a shot at making the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It'll be Luongo and Schneider, maybe Lack as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Kenins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Miller. I would be stunned if Markstrom had better numbers than him. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't have a good feeling about Markstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcon45ca Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 I believe Markstrom will post better GAA & Sv%, but Miller will have the better W% & SO's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Let's get this goaltender controversy kicked off already. It's been months since we had one. I'm gonna say the goalie whose last name starts with the Letter M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BI3KSA- Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 Miller. Miller had great numbers last year, and Markstrom's still developing. Yeah, great if we still lived in the 80s. Below average in modern times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHawk Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Let's get this goaltender controversy kicked off already. It's been months since we had one. I'm gonna say the goalie whose last name starts with the Letter M. Now that's really going out on a limb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted August 14, 2015 Share Posted August 14, 2015 Idc about gaa or s% Winning percentage is all I care about and Miller is a winner. He'll have a vezina worthy year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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