The Lock Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, alfstonker said: I disagree, as I said I think Benning has the last word. Can you quote any of these "interviews?" I believe it was actually from a Travis Green video interview on how he keeps in touch with Willie D about the players. I'm looking for it right now. Pretty sure it's from last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 Here's one interview at least. It's not the one I was looking for, but the middle part is WD in an interview after he watched an Utica game. He constantly says "we called them up or send them down". So it's clearly a collective decision based on that. Based on his other wording though, how he talks with the players, etc, that to say he doesn't have a say would be silly. (and I still fully believe he has the final say) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 For what it is worth, and I have some insight to this, not a hope any player goes up or down from NHL team without a discussion with GM as there are always potential implications with waivers, contract terms, personal clauses etc. that would not be the responsibility of the coach at NHL or AHL level to track. Movements involve the entire management team and I would suspect full alignment on moves is never 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said: For what it is worth, and I have some insight to this, not a hope any player goes up or down from NHL team without a discussion with GM as there are always potential implications with waivers, contract terms, personal clauses etc. that would not be the responsibility of the coach at NHL or AHL level to track. Movements involve the entire management team and I would suspect full alignment on moves is never 100%. Yeah, but it's not going to be like "Hey WD it's Benning. Surprise! We're calling Subban up randomly because we feel this is what your team should have! We totally didn't talk with you and ask who you'd want!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 9 minutes ago, The Lock said: Yeah, but it's not going to be like "Hey WD it's Benning. Surprise! We're calling Subban up randomly because we feel this is what your team should have! We totally didn't talk with you and ask who you'd want!" I cannot imagine that sort of conversation happening. I could see "Hey WD, we have xxx with a contract stipulation so we need to have him up in the next week...." or "We need to test what this kid can do, can you fit him into the upcoming road trip...." or "I want to showcase xxx for a potential trade, can you fit him in during...." and so on but I don't see what you have as being common if ever at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted July 31, 2017 Share Posted July 31, 2017 One thing comes over from that interview ( thanks TL ) and it is what fuels me to constantly resist the kind of insinuations made by the likes of Hairy Kneel and others. It is WD always rewards hard work and players who take instruction (I actually think Green sings from the same hymn sheet and I look forward to defending him against the same "types" who attack/ed WD) These people are apparently unable to see past the scoreboard, appreciate context and lack the ability to understand the limitations of resources in any given situation. Their limitations imo not only hamper their ability to enjoy almost any hockey played by a team in the lower regions of the League but causes them to rewrite the reality of the situation we are in to suit their bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 9 hours ago, alfstonker said: So you have no idea who brought them up then but you have such a hate for WD you couldn't help yourself. It is the GM who decides who comes up. Just glad he's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 Back to Subban..I'm pretty sure with injuries and or scoring slumps he'll get a couple games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salmonberries Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 8 hours ago, alfstonker said: One thing comes over from that interview ( thanks TL ) and it is what fuels me to constantly resist the kind of insinuations made by the likes of Hairy Kneel and others. It is WD always rewards hard work and players who take instruction (I actually think Green sings from the same hymn sheet and I look forward to defending him against the same "types" who attack/ed WD) These people are apparently unable to see past the scoreboard, appreciate context and lack the ability to understand the limitations of resources in any given situation. Their limitations are imo not only hamper their ability to enjoy almost any hockey played by a team in the lower regions of the League but causes them to rewrite the reality of the situation we are to suit their bias. They also seem adept at tuning out the Uticans on the forum that actually watch Subban play regularly preferring instead to go with the score sheet and goals and assists over educated on site assessments. It is pretty dumb but I don't see it ever changing myself until he actually gets put into NHL game competition. I think a couple of viewings with the big club would be enough to damper the enthusiasm considerably myself but based on his body of AHL work thus far, that may never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 4 hours ago, Hairy Kneel said: Back to Subban..I'm pretty sure with injuries and or scoring slumps he'll get a couple games. I've no problem with Subban getting a chance to come up and play but he has to have earned it. That is the only way to be fair to the other guys. There are no free lunches in pro sport and when there are for whatever reason, it usually leads to discontent and sends out all the wrong signals. I recall a video, I think it may have been after Green got the job (or just before) where he more or less said Subban had to do more. For that very reason I have no doubt that it wasn't WD who stopped him getting games in the NHL, after all WD developed most of the young players we have now in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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stawns Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 20 hours ago, Rob_Zepp said: For what it is worth, and I have some insight to this, not a hope any player goes up or down from NHL team without a discussion with GM as there are always potential implications with waivers, contract terms, personal clauses etc. that would not be the responsibility of the coach at NHL or AHL level to track. Movements involve the entire management team and I would suspect full alignment on moves is never 100%. No argument here, but When the big club needs replacements it's always the coach of the farm team who has the most input on who gets the call. Obviously JB has the final say, but he would support Green's decision 99% of the time, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 1 hour ago, AlwaysACanuckFan said: I wonder what aspects of Ellis' game, effected him the most? I would think it would be the battles down low and how Ellis ignored the elbows and crosschecks and stayed in tight to the bigger forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 He has the right attitude and says the right things, more often than not that type of character gets rewarded. I expect he'll get some games in this year as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted August 1, 2017 Share Posted August 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, Tre Mac said: He has the right attitude and says the right things, more often than not that type of character gets rewarded. I expect he'll get some games in this year as well. Love the attitude. Its not up to the Canucks to just make room for him, its up to him to force them to make room by showing he can play in the defensive zone and take care of business. If he does that and out performs other guys on defense, it will be same situation as Hutton and Stecher, Canucks will make room for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 On 7/31/2017 at 10:24 AM, 250Integra said: Aaron Rome was a Stanley Cup defender too.. It is no secret that he needs to improve his defense, but the same can be said about all the rookies that have been given a shot on our team. Each one of them has had some huge deficiencies in their defensive game. What I'm saying is he should get a look on this team, especially if we are hampered by injuries early on or our defense continues to be inefficient in producing any sort of offense. And Aaron Rome could play defence well enough to be in the NHL. His offence was non-existent, but for a replacement level guy, you want someone who can play defence first. It's disingenuous to say all the rookies need to improve on defence as if they all have the same detriments and just as far to go as the next rookie. That's just not the case with Subban, just like it's not the case that another prospect is just as advanced offensively as Subban is. There will be specific situations where he'd be suited to be called up, but even then he may not get ice time unless he's shown he won't be a liability. It's a long way to that from just having injuries or our back end not producing enough offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 Im ny mind when Tanev is traded in the next couple years will be when Subban steps in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Tail Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 3 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: Im ny mind when Tanev is traded in the next couple years will be when Subban steps in Isn't this Subban's last year of being waiver eligible? Defense or not his high scoring in the AHL may lead to a team taking a chance on him if he goes on waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 5 hours ago, Whale Tail said: Isn't this Subban's last year of being waiver eligible? Defense or not his high scoring in the AHL may lead to a team taking a chance on him if he goes on waivers. Yes it is but if he can't crack our right side defense with its lack of depth then it might be better for him to get a fresh start via trade or waivers. If he proves himself better defensively this year then i see I'm forcing a RD trade. Probably Tanev maybe gudbranson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted August 2, 2017 Share Posted August 2, 2017 2 hours ago, RetroCanuck said: Yes it is but if he can't crack our right side defense with its lack of depth then it might be better for him to get a fresh start via trade or waivers. If he proves himself better defensively this year then i see I'm forcing a RD trade. Probably Tanev maybe gudbranson I think best case he earns a 7/8th D, depth, PP specialist role next year (Yanick Weber-esque). Worst case, he's still not 'there' and we try to sneak him through waivers (and risk losing him). He won't be forcing any trades IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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