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2016: the Homecoming Team?

I don’t usually like to make far-fetched proposals, but sometimes it’s fun to imagine. Next off-season the Canucks are going to have some money to spend, a good idea where many of their top prospects sit and in range of when Benning and co. wanted to return to cup contention.

Benning has already begun his process of re-shaping the team. He’s been quick to move out players for assets, instead of sitting on them and hoping for the best (a la late Gillis era), he’s brought in players familiar with the coaching staff and management: Dorsett, Vey, Baertschi, Miller and Bartkowski (I could be forgetting others) and he’s gunning for big, strong players with leadership and 2-way abilities at the draft.

Next off-season also presents itself with something else interesting: there’s a bunch of elite British Columbians that could be available.

I’ve always been a fan of seeing players come to Vancouver who grew up in the area, and often think of 1994 when Geoff Courtnall, Cliff Ronning, Nathan LaFayette and Gus Adams all played big roles on the run to the SCF. Some other western Canadians also played important roles: Babych (Edmonton), Craven (Medicine Hat), Linden (Medicine Hat) and Diduck (Sherwood Park).

Of course, they are not the only BCers to have success in Vancity: Brendan Morrison played his best years, Dan Hamhuis became an Olympian, Russ Courtnall played some really good hockey (incl. the 95 playoffs), Doug Lidster definitely had his best years in Vancouver, Steve Tambellini had some good seasons, Darcy Rota became an 80 point player, Curt Fraser was excellent, Gary Lupul .5 PPG in 82 run, etc.

And even role players tend to put on the extra jets when given a chance to play for the Canucks: Jeff Tambellini, Mike Santorelli, etc.

So, Benning has brought in players familiar with other people, what about the city? Benning himself is a former Canuck who grew up in Western Canada.

This is not an argument that a players’ hometown is their biggest worth, but local Vancouverites seem to have success in Vancouver, and put in commendable effort. Looking forward:

Milan Lucic, LW (North Van): Lucic played under GM Benning while Benning was Boston GM. He had huge success in the WHL in Vancouver. Has told the media he envisions himself in a Vancouver jersey. Pundits have already spoken about the Kings not having long-term money for him. He’s a UFA next off-season.

Brent Seabrook, D (Tsawassen): Many are predicting that if Patrick Kane isn’t moved, Seabrook will be the player to feel the cap squeeze. He’s in his prime and a dynamic playoff performer who has brough the cup back to Tsawassen—but in the wrong jersey. He’s a UFA next off-season.

Ryan Johansen, C (Vancouver): Johansen is what the Canucks need to replace Henrik Sedin with. Last year he broke out by breaking 70 points. Next year he’ll probably put up 80. His contract negotiations with CBJ went horribly last year, and that has led to rumours that he doesn’t want to play in Ohio. At 6’3, 220 pounds, a point-per-game in his only playoff round, and looking elite in all three zones he’s everything the Canucks need. Oh yeah, he’s played under Travis Green and his best junior year featured current Canuck, Sven Baertschi.

Andrew Ladd, C/LW (Maple Ridge): Coming off the best year of his entire career, the 29 year old would never be one to complain about his situation or ask for a trade. But, he is on the last year of his current contract. The former BCHLer won a cup in Chicago, but hasn’t tasted the playoffs much since. A super competitor, and able to put up 55+ points, would bring versatility and intensity to Vancouver.

Shea Weber, D (Sicamous): Puck Daddy’s Josh Cooper lists 5 reasons why Nashville should trade Weber over the next year: The offers will be ridiculously in Nashville’s favour, Nashville is strong on the blueline without Weber, Was 2014-15 just a down year for Weber? Why wait to find out?, Nashville’s 2016 RFA summer (Jones, Forsberg, etc), Turn the franchise over to someone new. In his last contract negotiations Weber signed an offersheet: meaning at the very least he’d be happy playing elsewhere. The cost will be steep, but Vancouver hasn’t had an elite number 1 since Reinhart. Also, Weber’s former teammate and sometimes d-partner both in NSH and in the Olympics, Dan Hamhuis will likely be brought back.

Cody Franson (Sicamous): OK, Franson is slow and demanding too much money. But, Yannick Weber’s contract is up at the end of the year, and a RHed PP specialist could be in the Canucks cards. Depending on how his next season goes, the Canucks might be able to get him on a cheap 3-year deal since he’s so “sick of 1 year contracts”.

I’m not sure how a proposal would look, there’s so much time for change over the next season, but could go something like this (providing the cap goes up to 77M):

GMJB signs Milan Lucic to a 6 year, 36.6 million dollar deal. Lucic had an off-year last year, but will likely bounce back with L.A. and be worth a 6.1 million dollar contract. With the passing of his father, signs are pointing to the notion Lucic might want to return home. He could probably find a 7 million dollar deal on the open market, but might take a paycut to come to Vancouver.

GMJB re-signs Dan Hamhuis on a 2 year/9 million dollar deal. Hamhuis is coming off his worst season, I know he wants to stay in Western Canada, he owns the Prince George Cougars and spends lots of time in his home community of Smithers. 4.5M in a 77M cap is a fair deal.

GMJB signs Cody Franson on a 3 year, 7.5 million dollar deal. Franson can play bottom pairing and 2nd PP. Basically a bigger, but slower Yannick Weber.

GMJB trades a 4th or so for Seabrook’s rights, just like Gillis traded Ehrhoff to NYI for, then signs him on a big 7 year/49M dollar deal. Seabrook is worth it.

GMJB signs Andrew Ladd on a 5 year/30 million dollar deal. A 50-60 point player who can be trusted in all 3 zones, is a leader and competitive? He would get at least 6 million a year on the open market next year.

Here’s where it gets tricky.

Johansen’s offersheet value is probably 2 1sts, a 2nd and 3rd. How can the Canucks replicate that without losing that many draft picks? Well, with Horvat developing and Sutter locked, Vancouver will be pretty set down the middle with Johansen. With Weber coming in (in this dream proposal), one right-sided defenseman can be moved.

To CBJ: Jared McCann, Chris Tanev, a 1st 2016 and a 4th 2017.

To Vancouver: Ryan Johansen’s rights, 5th round pick 2016.

Here’s what you’ll all hate, and I would in some ways too. But, as good as the Sedins have been for the community and as leaders on the Canucks, it’s time for the Canucks to renew their leadership front, create a new persona and move the Sedins for another elite player. Next year, they’ll probably score in the 70-point range again, but a couple years later they’ll probably be in the 55-60 point range, and the Canucks will have players to replace them. In Nashville, they can mentor the younger Swede Filip Forsberg, keep Nashville in playoff contention (staying afloat financially), and remove themselves from the spotlight as they struggle with aging. Canucks have to move cap for this scenario to come to fruition.

To Nashville: Henrik Sedin, Daniel Sedin, Chris Higgins

To Vancouver: Shea Weber, a 2nd round pick 2016, a mid level prospect

Lastly, the Canucks will have to move Miller and Sbisa for cheaper options.

With the roster looking something like this (once again a lot can change in 82 games):

Baertschi (2M) – Johansen (7) – Lucic (6.1)

Ladd (6) – Horvat (1.75) – Virtanen (1.75)

Burrows (4.5) – Sutter (4.4) – Hansen (2.5)

Kenins (1) – Cassels (1) – Dorsett (2.5)

UFA (1)

Hamhuis (4.5) – Weber (7.8)

Edler (5) – Seabrook (7)

Bartkowski (1.5) – Franson (2.5)

UFA (1.5), UFA (1)

Markstrom (1.55)

UFA (1.5)

Cap hit: 75.35

This is relative also depending on how much the cap goes up. It will never happen, but it’s fun to imagine.

IMO, the team is more competitive than the Canucks have been in a while. Johansen replaces Henrik’s point production, Weber and Lucic replace Daniel’s and this team can beat teams in a physical/intense game too. The Canucks’ defense has never looked so good. Hopefully Markstrom can hold his own in the NHL.

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As much as that's a sexy lineup (certainly on the top end) it didn't really fix the goaltending after moving Miller. Maybe Markstrom's ready, or we find someone to split time with him at least short term, but that'd be the weak spot.

There's enough to like in the top 9 forwards/ top 4 D though that if we could do it, I'd probably bite.

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Trading Weber for two guys that can only help the team for 1-2 years won't work, IMO. Other teams could offer players that will be unlikely to ever have the success the Sedins have had, but who can help the team for 4-6 years. I think this type of player will be more attractive to Poille.

That'd be a very exciting lineup though, especially that top-4.

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Awesome work. However I'd much rather have Evander Kane than Ladd and Franson, especially since Kane has expressed interest in being a Canuck.

And I would definitely put Edler and Weber together, in the top pairing. That would be an insane top defensive pairing.

And Hamhuis gets $4.5 M again? That's just crazy talk

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Pretty underwhelming package for Johansen unless that's a top 3-5 pick. They just gave up a very nice piece in Dano to get Saad to play with him. He's not going anywhere unless you blow their socks off and your offer doesn't even come close to that whether he's signed or not.

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i hope jb can work a deal for kevin shattenkirk....good offensive d-man right shot....in his prime...i agree to sign hammer for 2 years,

virtanen should replace vrbata in a year....hopefully when the sedins are done there will someone who can replace their offense for this team...we are set up good for centers for sometime to come...maybe some centers will have to play wing...a shattenkirk would make weber, move down the line up...if benning is right and both sbisa and barkowski can provide grit and a quick out of our zone ,

maybe pairing those two together.....hammer with shattenkirk, and edler and tanev...hopefully pedan or cederholm can provide more grit to the back end...having boeser and virtanen on the right side bodes well for rw....lw still looks weak....

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Pretty underwhelming package for Johansen unless that's a top 3-5 pick. They just gave up a very nice piece in Dano to get Saad to play with him. He's not going anywhere unless you blow their socks off and your offer doesn't even come close to that whether he's signed or not.

U-N-R-E-A-L-I-S-T-I-C.

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i hope jb can work a deal for kevin shattenkirk....good offensive d-man right shot....in his prime...i agree to sign hammer for 2 years,

virtanen should replace vrbata in a year....hopefully when the sedins are done there will someone who can replace their offense for this team...we are set up good for centers for sometime to come...maybe some centers will have to play wing...a shattenkirk would make weber, move down the line up...if benning is right and both sbisa and barkowski can provide grit and a quick out of our zone ,

maybe pairing those two together.....hammer with shattenkirk, and edler and tanev...hopefully pedan or cederholm can provide more grit to the back end...having boeser and virtanen on the right side bodes well for rw....lw still looks weak....

I'd rather have Shea Weber than Kevin Shattenkirk eight days a week.

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As much as that's a sexy lineup (certainly on the top end) it didn't really fix the goaltending after moving Miller. Maybe Markstrom's ready, or we find someone to split time with him at least short term, but that'd be the weak spot.

There's enough to like in the top 9 forwards/ top 4 D though that if we could do it, I'd probably bite.

Yeah, I agree, that's the thing about 82-games-later. If Markstrom has an awesome season this year, and in theory, was playing behind Edler, Hamhuis, Seabrook and Weber, the year after, it might be possible.

Trading Weber for two guys that can only help the team for 1-2 years won't work, IMO. Other teams could offer players that will be unlikely to ever have the success the Sedins have had, but who can help the team for 4-6 years. I think this type of player will be more attractive to Poille.

That'd be a very exciting lineup though, especially that top-4.

Perhaps, but the Sedins will keep whatever team they play for near 8th spot, at the worst, for at least 3-4 years (probably 5-6). NSH needs keep making the playoffs or else they can't afford to have a team. Both Sedins are basically real numbers amount Weber is getting paid for the next three years.

Awesome work. However I'd much rather have Evander Kane than Ladd and Franson, especially since Kane has expressed interest in being a Canuck.

And I would definitely put Edler and Weber together, in the top pairing. That would be an insane top defensive pairing.

And Hamhuis gets $4.5 M again? That's just crazy talk

I think adding E. Kane would be great, I just don't know if Buffalo has any intentions of moving him. Next time he's an UFA though...hopefully he comes back.

Pretty underwhelming package for Johansen unless that's a top 3-5 pick. They just gave up a very nice piece in Dano to get Saad to play with him. He's not going anywhere unless you blow their socks off and your offer doesn't even come close to that whether he's signed or not.

Fair enough. Do you think the Canucks could put together a package in this scenario that would entice CBJ?

If the whole league knows RJ's contract negotations are at a standstill, CBJ won't have that much leverage in a trade. Saying that, if every team wants his rights, they will...

Maybe: McCann, Tanev, another prospect, a 1st 2016 and a 2nd in 2017 is more realistic?

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Pick up Price and we're golden ponyboy

If we're doing unrealistic homecoming deals then why are we picking up Price anywhere here?

Yeah I wish. I was trying to at least put some undertones of possibility in each transaction. I really really doubt Montreal would move Price.

Another player I forgot to add though is Troy Brouwer, who will be an UFA at year's end.

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Fair enough. Do you think the Canucks could put together a package in this scenario that would entice CBJ?

If the whole league knows RJ's contract negotations are at a standstill, CBJ won't have that much leverage in a trade. Saying that, if every team wants his rights, they will...

Maybe: McCann, Tanev, another prospect, a 1st 2016 and a 2nd in 2017 is more realistic?

The only way he would ever be on the market is if negotiations came to a standstill. Even then there would be plenty of teams in a bidding war for him. While not elite, he's the type of centre everyone covets and that you can build a team around. You'd be competing with teams like the Wild, Preds, and Blues for who a guy like Johansen is the final piece of the puzzle and makes them top contenders. Then throw in the upper to middling and cellar dwellers that all need a top centre and you've got a ton of competition. Tanev is a very nice piece that would help them now and McCann is a nice prospect but they're a team looking to compete and going to need a centre who can step in and play a top 6 role now. Frankly, I think the only way you're prying him out of there is an offer sheet or if that's a known high pick and a player CBJ really covets is/should be on the board.

U-N-R-E-A-L-I-S-T-I-C.

I got that. The OP makes it seem like it's the concept in general (and the parting with the Sedins) that's unrealistic. Not that he/she's going to intentionally put forward a bunch of proposals where the valuation is off and because they've prefaced this by calling it unrealistic that we're all going to sit around and go 'well that's a good idea'.

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Yeah, I agree, that's the thing about 82-games-later. If Markstrom has an awesome season this year, and in theory, was playing behind Edler, Hamhuis, Seabrook and Weber, the year after, it might be possible.

Perhaps, but the Sedins will keep whatever team they play for near 8th spot, at the worst, for at least 3-4 years (probably 5-6). NSH needs keep making the playoffs or else they can't afford to have a team. Both Sedins are basically real numbers amount Weber is getting paid for the next three years.

I think adding E. Kane would be great, I just don't know if Buffalo has any intentions of moving him. Next time he's an UFA though...hopefully he comes back.

Fair enough. Do you think the Canucks could put together a package in this scenario that would entice CBJ?

If the whole league knows RJ's contract negotations are at a standstill, CBJ won't have that much leverage in a trade. Saying that, if every team wants his rights, they will...

Maybe: McCann, Tanev, another prospect, a 1st 2016 and a 2nd in 2017 is more realistic?

Kane has expressed distinct interest in playing in Vancouver. He knows Benning wanted him here and if Lucic gets signed here in the offseason, I can see that helping Evander make his mind up come free agency.

$&!#, if Benning was able to bring Lucic, Kane, and Weber to the Canucks in the next three years, that would be enough to put this team into serious contention. And make them a frightening team to play against.

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The only way he would ever be on the market is if negotiations came to a standstill. Even then there would be plenty of teams in a bidding war for him. While not elite, he's the type of centre everyone covets and that you can build a team around. You'd be competing with teams like the Wild, Preds, and Blues for who a guy like Johansen is the final piece of the puzzle and makes them top contenders. Then throw in the upper to middling and cellar dwellers that all need a top centre and you've got a ton of competition. Tanev is a very nice piece that would help them now and McCann is a nice prospect but they're a team looking to compete and going to need a centre who can step in and play a top 6 role now. Frankly, I think the only way you're prying him out of there is an offer sheet or if that's a known high pick and a player CBJ really covets is/should be on the board.

I got that. The OP makes it seem like it's the concept in general (and the parting with the Sedins) that's unrealistic. Not that he/she's going to intentionally put forward a bunch of proposals where the valuation is off and because they've prefaced this by calling it unrealistic that we're all going to sit around and go 'well that's a good idea'.

I know. Just being a smart ass
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This is all too over the top. "Unrealistic" is an understatement, with adding Lucic and Ladd it would take away Baertschi's chance at the top six and Shinkaruk's down the road. Nashville is not Trading Weber because they're defense is too stacked, they'll move Ribeiro or Fisher first to make room for Forsberg and S. Jones, and that would allow Jarnkrok a bigger role and Watson and Sissons to move up. None of S. Jones, Josi, Ellis, Ekholm, or Bartley can replace Weber's shot or leadership, S. Jones can fully replace his presence 3 years down the road but Nashville wants a cup now. We don't need Johansen, there's a reason we ponied up for a similar centre and cheaper centre in Brandon Sutter, and I don't want to Trade McCann, his upside has no limits IMO. Only two I would want cap wise and depth wise, are Lucic and Franson. Then trade Hansen and re-sign Hamhuis & Prust. Resulting in...

D. Sedan-H. Sedin-Virtanen/Grenier/Jensen

Lucic-Horvat-Baertschi

Higgins-Sutter-Burrows

Prust-Vey-Dorsett

Shinkaruk/Gaunce/Cassels/Friesen

Edler-Tanev

Hamhuis-Franson

Sbisa-Corrado/Bartkowski/Y. Weber

Pedan

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We don't need Johansen, there's a reason we ponied up for a similar centre and cheaper centre in Brandon Sutter, and I don't want to Trade McCann, his upside has no limits IMO. Only two I would want cap wise and depth wise, are Lucic and Franson. Then trade Hansen and re-sign Hamhuis & Prust. Resulting in...

Do you know who Ryan Johansen is?

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