Ilya Mikheyev Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Utica lost a lot of players from last year. Goaltender is probably the biggest one. True, but Richard Bachmann is a pretty solid AHLer. Utica lost some good players, but is getting a few as well: Blair Jones, Richard Bachmann, Cole Cassels, Adam Cracknell. Plus players like Grenier, Friesen, Shink and Gaunce are all another year ahead in the development. I think Utica has a pretty good shot at contending again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Why couldn't Baertschi, Horvat, Virtanen, or Shinkaruk contend? No guarantee McDavid, Eichel or Bennett get it. McDavid needs to realize he's playing in the NHL now and in the West. I'm not underrating him, but sorry kid, your no Crosby. Baertschi and Horvat aren't rookies. Virtanen is a long shot to make the team and Shink is an even longer long shot. Then to believe either would put up points comparable to the ice time/opportunity those top picks will get is rather laughable. To me it shows how many here overrate our prospects. It also explains why so many here are so quick to write off our prospects when the don't contend for the Calder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Why couldn't Baertschi, Horvat, Virtanen, or Shinkaruk contend? No guarantee McDavid, Eichel or Bennett get it. McDavid needs to realize he's playing in the NHL now and in the West. I'm not underrating him, but sorry kid, your no Crosby. This is the funny post of the day. Do you know what a rookie is? Please enlighten me lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Even if a rookie did make the team, Willie doesnt like to play them very much. He barely played horvat and then slowly had to give him more ice time in the second half of the season since he was often our most dangerous player after the sedins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragoedia Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 Only possible rookie who could even possibly contend would be Virtanen, but that's about as long of a shot as Buffalo winning the cup this year. Actually, that is probably more likely than Virtanen winning the Calder. He would have to turn into a 30+ goal scorer overnight. He played well in Utica during the playoffs, but it wasn't like he was really scoring. If he made the team this year, he'd be using his physicality in a bottom 6 role. He could pot some points, but enough points to compete with McDavid and Eichel would be far fetched. Even if one of them fails to live up to the hype, the odds of both of them having that happen are very unlikely. Even expecting him in the top 10 might be reaching, but that isn't unfathomable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 TBH i think MacJesus will go PPG this yr at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 lol McJesus....classic I laughed too. McDaigle is good too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cory40 Posted September 7, 2015 Share Posted September 7, 2015 Players rushed right out of Junior seldom win the Calder. They usually struggle alongside players that teams allowed to develop into men first .Edmonton hasn't handed out to many calders. And seems like they haven't learned much. Mcdavid will be given a spot regardless of whether he can play against men or not. And Oiler fans will look back at another year of where did we go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dura_mater Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Why couldn't Baertschi, Horvat, Virtanen, or Shinkaruk contend? No guarantee McDavid, Eichel or Bennett get it. McDavid needs to realize he's playing in the NHL now and in the West. I'm not underrating him, but sorry kid, your no Crosby. You ask why Baertschi or Horvat couldn't contend? Horvat isn't a rookie and I'm pretty sure Baertschi isn't either. You say McDavid is overrated yet you think Virtanen or Shink have a legit shot? Finally, I'm pretty sure McDavid realises he's playing in the NHL and I'm pretty sure he's looked at a map and realises Edmonton is in the West. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 This is the funny post of the day. Do you know what a rookie is? Please enlighten me lol Yeah I do, I've been one on the ice. It's a valid point, look at Horvat Bennett last year, pretty even with the edge obviously going to Horvat. And remember... Bennett-4th overall (Ranked 1st) Horvat-9th overall But Horvat was better, don't underestimate our prospects against McDavid or Eichel, like I said, McDavid doesn't have Crosby's leg power, stride, or equal ability on the backhand. Remember some other hyped centers taken 1st overall, Daigle and Stefan. No one is a guarantee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Baertschi and Horvat aren't rookies. Virtanen is a long shot to make the team and Shink is an even longer long shot. Then to believe either would put up points comparable to the ice time/opportunity those top picks will get is rather laughable. To me it shows how many here overrate our prospects. It also explains why so many here are so quick to write off our prospects when the don't contend for the Calder.[/quote I'm saying very young forwards we have could compete with top picks who are near similar age, no one is a guarantee, not even McDavid or Eichel, this isn't the OHL or NCAA anymore. Let's see that speed of their's against NHL speed. Shinkaruk or anyone isn't just a long shot, it's lot laughable they could compete. Shinkaruk has been called a poor-mans Patrick Kane. Chew on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Players rushed right out of Junior seldom win the Calder. They usually struggle alongside players that teams allowed to develop into men first .Edmonton hasn't handed out to many calders. And seems like they haven't learned much. Mcdavid will be given a spot regardless of whether he can play against men or not. And Oiler fans will look back at another year of where did we go wrong. McDavid isn't some Brule or Draisaitl. He's the guy that Stamkos said was better than him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo1970 Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 By my count, Vancouver has two roster spots open and have made no effort to fill them. Baertschi gets one. Who gets the last? I think it's Greniers to lose. He put up great numbers last year. He vastly improved his defensive game and was a force physically. He's exactly the player we need to be in the line up. He may not be a Calder candidate, but he will be a very valuable player to us moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 I don't think we'll have any rookies make it full-time. I don't think Virtanen will make it, and both Baertschi and Corrado are no longer rookies. We might have a 3rd/4th liner make it, like Gaunce or Grenier, but they won't be doing much in the points department. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 By my count, Vancouver has two roster spots open and have made no effort to fill them. Baertschi gets one. Who gets the last? I think it's Greniers to lose. He put up great numbers last year. He vastly improved his defensive game and was a force physically. He's exactly the player we need to be in the line up. He may not be a Calder candidate, but he will be a very valuable player to us moving forward. Agreed. I think Baer has basically handed a roster spot in the top 6 and Grenier is likely to get the spot in the bottom 6 but I'm sure management is opening to bumping either of them to the AHL if Cassels, Hunter or Virt impresses in main camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 You ask why Baertschi or Horvat couldn't contend? Horvat isn't a rookie and I'm pretty sure Baertschi isn't either. You say McDavid is overrated yet you think Virtanen or Shink have a legit shot? Finally, I'm pretty sure McDavid realises he's playing in the NHL and I'm pretty sure he's looked at a map and realises Edmonton is in the West.[/quote I meant the Western Conference Einstein. It's going to be hard for McDavid no question, and if Bennett who's a 4th overall pick can contend, why can't a 6th overall Virtanen, yes I think Virtanen or Shinkaruk could possibly contend, they have just as much upside as anyone else IMO. Virtanen is twice the size of Bennett and has twice the shot and power in his stride, and just as good hands. Shinkaruk is probably more creative than Bennett and is a little thicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Van bc Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Nurse McDavid Drisiatle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Weasel Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Players rushed right out of Junior seldom win the Calder. They usually struggle alongside players that teams allowed to develop into men first .Edmonton hasn't handed out to many calders. And seems like they haven't learned much. Mcdavid will be given a spot regardless of whether he can play against men or not. And Oiler fans will look back at another year of where did we go wrong. McDynasty is the real deal. He will light this league up and run away with the Calder. The Oilers may have been a laughing stock with an embarrassing management team destroying them for years, but that is over now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CANUCK-EXPRESS Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 McDavid already won the Calder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baumerman77 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I think Eichel might have a better season than McDavid points-wise. He plays in a much easier conference to score in. But with the media bias McDavid would be in tough to lose the Calder. More generally, I think we drastically overvalue these types of voted-on awards. They seem far too subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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