nuckin_futz Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, stawns said: Do people still really believe there's going to be a stock market? Yes. Do you really think Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Google, Apple, Pfizer are going anywhere? The virus will pass eventually. Central Banks will throw whatever amount of money at this they need to. The Mad Max stuff is entertaining but unrealistic. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancaster Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Yes. Do you really think Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Google, Apple, Pfizer are going anywhere? The virus will pass eventually. Central Banks will throw whatever amount of money at this they need to. The Mad Max stuff is entertaining but unrealistic. To reach Mad Max, so many things would have need to happen: Solar flare destroying all electronic devices Total collapse of business and government Global natural disaster or some nuclear war where the majority of the world's infrastructures are destroyed Some pandemic where mortality rate is very high Not impossible... I mean the Minoans and Hittites probably didn't envision their civilization ceasing to exist either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Yes. Do you really think Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Google, Apple, Pfizer are going anywhere? The virus will pass eventually. Central Banks will throw whatever amount of money at this they need to. The Mad Max stuff is entertaining but unrealistic. At worse we will be in depression territory. Stock market still existed through that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Yes. Do you really think Wal-Mart, Microsoft, Google, Apple, Pfizer are going anywhere? The virus will pass eventually. Central Banks will throw whatever amount of money at this they need to. The Mad Max stuff is entertaining but unrealistic. Do you really believe those corporations, completely dependent on consumers will last 6 months, let alone 18-24 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Shift-4 said: At worse we will be in depression territory. Stock market still existed through that. The Depression will be our best case scenario. We should all be jumping up and down if we come out of this at that level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Shift-4 said: At worse we will be in depression territory. Stock market still existed through that. The thing to remember about the Great Depression was that the Central Banks completely made it worse by multitudes by tightening interest rates in an effort to drain all the excess out of the system. They made capital so scarce it went from a Wall St panic to an economic panic. They are not nearly that dumb anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, stawns said: Do you really believe those corporations, completely dependent on consumers will last 6 months, let alone 18-24 months? Where are the consumers going? Is everyone going to die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Where are the consumers going? Is everyone going to die? I am just as concerned about how relief for citizens and corporations is structured. Both have responsibilities and blanket coverages are a feel good exercise the country cannot afford. I do think that non essential companies that are in trouble can go bankrupt if they cannot refinance themselves. There is a reality check going on here but not at the scale that Stawns is talking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Where are the consumers going? Is everyone going to die? Where are consumers going? The better question is where aren't they going for the next 18 months or so. The answer? Out shopping, anywhere but grocery stores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boudrias said: I am just as concerned about how relief for citizens and corporations is structured. Both have responsibilities and blanket coverages are a feel good exercise the country cannot afford. I do think that non essential companies that are in trouble can go bankrupt if they cannot refinance themselves. There is a reality check going on here but not at the scale that Stawns is talking. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/modeling-study-suggests-18-months-covid-19-social-distancing-much This guy and Imperial College disagree. Were in it until a vaccine is developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I know what I'm watching later.. I agree that the world is not going to fail as we know it but everyone is allowed their opinion it is unchartered waters.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 22 minutes ago, stawns said: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/modeling-study-suggests-18-months-covid-19-social-distancing-much This guy and Imperial College disagree. Were in it until a vaccine is developed. Is there a vaccine for SARS or MERS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Is there a vaccine for SARS or MERS? Pretty obvious this isn't SARS or MERS isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 36 minutes ago, stawns said: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/03/modeling-study-suggests-18-months-covid-19-social-distancing-much This guy and Imperial College disagree. Were in it until a vaccine is developed. 3 scenarios. What I am reading now is that vaccines are in development and that existing malaria drugs work. If so this could be controlled quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Boudrias said: 3 scenarios. What I am reading now is that vaccines are in development and that existing malaria drugs work. If so this could be controlled quickly. A vaccine is 18 months roll out, if it's expedited Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 13 minutes ago, stawns said: Pretty obvious this isn't SARS or MERS isn't it? Can't help but notice you did not answer my question. Anyways, this is the investment thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, stawns said: A vaccine is 18 months roll out, if it's expedited So what are you reading about these malaria drugs working as well as is being written? Cure rate in 5 days. Sorry I cannot link you to the articles. China, Japan and Australia all positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Boudrias said: 3 scenarios. What I am reading now is that vaccines are in development and that existing malaria drugs work. If so this could be controlled quickly. I admire your optimism though, honestly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Boudrias said: So what are you reading about these malaria drugs working as well as is being written? Cure rate in 5 days. Sorry I cannot link you to the articles. China, Japan and Australia all positive. It's a treatment, not a cure. This virus isn't going away until a vaccine. Again, I'm going to go by the opinions of the leaders in the field of infectious disease. A week ago, they were say 2-4 weeks. 4 days ago, they were saying August, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, nuckin_futz said: Can't help but notice you did not answer my question. Anyways, this is the investment thread. https://www.wildcat.arizona.edu/article/2020/03/n-covid-comparison Already surpassed the total number of infections and deaths of those combined. The only comparable would be h1n1. It was highly infectious, but had a mortality rate of 0.02%. this virus is sitting around 3%........granted of known cases. "Without being too alarming, it is almost as if COVID-19 is taking on the contagious habits of H1N1 with the fatality — to a lesser extent — of other viruses, but hopefully not SARS or MERS." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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