tbone909 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 They should not get a second chance, end of story !!! I feel real bad for the people and children in these countries in South America, It seems the Catholic church is telling them in not so many words they are not as important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwen Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 delete..wrong button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 It's good that they're getting a second chance. But if they screw up again, they should be dealt with accordingly by both legal and religious authorities. They're leaders of the community, they're not supposed to be monsters. That's absolute BS. No one who commits a sexual abuse should be given a 2nd chance, they should be held accountable immediately. As for your status update, it's not discriminatory Jazz, I don't care who commits a sex crime, they should rot in jail indefinitely. I think you are defending them because they are priests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 You lose that opportunity when you TOUCH CHILDREN INAPPROPRIATELY! Who said they didn't? I'm not saying you have to give it back. And why would the Catholic Church not give them a second chance? Literally the whole reason they exist is because Jesus died to give any human being unlimited second chances to change. Liars, thieves, murderers... pedophiles even. But it's all dependent on whether their heart and actions change, and you'll never get that if they don't get another chance. As dangerous a spot as it is to put people in. I totally understand everyone's stance on here and why they would have it - it's a perfectly rational POV. This is my stance. Sure, what they did was absolutely terrible. Unforgivable. Inexcusable. But they're people, and people can change. If you don't want to help them, fine. Leave it to people who do. People aren't their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chalky Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Does anyone try to help them change? Or do we just fear that they'll do it again? Being afraid of people does no one any good. More BS from the pedophile protector. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Get out of jail free cards for being part of the catholic church? I really don't think so. As others have said, like anyone else they should go to jail. If anything, these guys have even less morality than your average pedo in that they broke an oath saying they would lead a moral life. The punishment should be harsher as they were in a position of trust and power that they took advantage of. They should not be let anywhere near children again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwen Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Who said they didn't? I'm not saying you have to give it back. And why would the Catholic Church not give them a second chance? Literally the whole reason they exist is because Jesus died to give any human being unlimited second chances to change. Liars, thieves, murderers... pedophiles even. But it's all dependent on whether their heart and actions change, and you'll never get that if they don't get another chance. As dangerous a spot as it is to put people in. I totally understand everyone's stance on here and why they would have it - it's a perfectly rational POV. This is my stance. Sure, what they did was absolutely terrible. Unforgivable. Inexcusable. But they're people, and people can change. If you don't want to help them, fine. Leave it to people who do. People aren't their actions. Do. Some. Research. On. The. Recidivism. Rates. Of. Pedophiles. Or.....why don't you leave your brothers or sisters, nieces or nephews, any children you may have in the future with a 'reformed' pedophile......I can guarantee you that your stance on this will be very different when faced with that choice......or, you just don't care enough about the welfare of the children you purport to love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Who said they didn't? I'm not saying you have to give it back. And why would the Catholic Church not give them a second chance? Literally the whole reason they exist is because Jesus died to give any human being unlimited second chances to change. Liars, thieves, murderers... pedophiles even. But it's all dependent on whether their heart and actions change, and you'll never get that if they don't get another chance. As dangerous a spot as it is to put people in. I totally understand everyone's stance on here and why they would have it - it's a perfectly rational POV. This is my stance. Sure, what they did was absolutely terrible. Unforgivable. Inexcusable. But they're people, and people can change. If you don't want to help them, fine. Leave it to people who do. People aren't their actions. Shuffling them off to obscure areas with new victims and less oversight is not 'helping' them. Not the way you're thinking anyway. It's dangerous and criminally irresponsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwen Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 More BS from the pedophile protector. No f'n kidding. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 People aren't their actions. wat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 That's absolute BS. No one who commits a sexual abuse should be given a 2nd chance, they should be held accountable immediately. As for your status update, it's not discriminatory Jazz, I don't care who commits a sex crime, they should rot in jail indefinitely. I think you are defending them because they are priests. I defend anyone who I think has the capacity to change. No matter the person, no matter the transgression. Sexual abuse is terrible, there's no denying that. No one should be getting a second chance. Like I told JR, no one should be getting a first chance even. But I want to see all people become who they were meant to be. Put them in jail? Sure, they deserve it. Give them a second chance? Kudos to you, I severely hope they change for the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I defend anyone who I think has the capacity to change. No matter the person, no matter the transgression. Sexual abuse is terrible, there's no denying that. No one should be getting a second chance. Like I told JR, no one should be getting a first chance even. But I want to see all people become who they were meant to be. Put them in jail? Sure, they deserve it. Give them a second chance? Kudos to you, I severely hope they change for the better. religious blinders be blinding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Put them in jail? Sure, they deserve it. Give them a second chance? Kudos to you, I severely hope they change for the better. Moving them to obscure locals with more potential victims and less oversight is only giving them a second chance to re-offend. That's not how you help a pedophile 'change'. That's how you irresponsibly, criminally cover up your organizations shameful misdeeds and give the person more opportunity to continue molesting children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwen Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I defend anyone who I think has the capacity to change. No matter the person, no matter the transgression. Sexual abuse is terrible, there's no denying that. No one should be getting a second chance. Like I told JR, no one should be getting a first chance even. But I want to see all people become who they were meant to be. Put them in jail? Sure, they deserve it. Give them a second chance? Kudos to you, I severely hope they change for the better. A pedophile is a pedophile is a pedophile. And they always will be. You don't deliberately put innocent children in their way to sexually abuse or molest without becoming culpable in their assault. And you sure as hell do not put innocent children in their path as part of a 'second chance'. I notice you haven't bothered to address my question posed before. Do you seriously think that an innocent child should have to pay the price for a pedophile priest's second chance? Do you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Do. Some. Research. On. The. Recidivism. Rates. Of. Pedophiles. Or.....why don't you leave your brothers or sisters, nieces or nephews, any children you may have in the future with a 'reformed' pedophile......I can guarantee you that your stance on this will be very different when faced with that choice......or, you just don't care enough about the welfare of the children you purport to love. I care about everyone. That's why I want to help these people. If you feel the need to put them through a rehab program in prison, then do that. If you feel to give them a second chance, then do that, and put him in a community that's willing to help him be accountable and help him change. I don't care what the research says. Every human has the capacity to change. Even the worst ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Moving them to obscure locals with more potential victims and less oversight is only giving them a second chance to re-offend. That's not how you help a pedophile 'change'. That's how you irresponsibly, criminally cover up your organizations shameful misdeeds and give the person more opportunity to continue molesting children. Then send someone with them to keep them accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRussianRocket. Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I defend anyone who I think has the capacity to change. No matter the person, no matter the transgression. Sexual abuse is terrible, there's no denying that. No one should be getting a second chance. Like I told JR, no one should be getting a first chance even. But I want to see all people become who they were meant to be. Put them in jail? Sure, they deserve it. Give them a second chance? Kudos to you, I severely hope they change for the better. There's a big difference between doing wrong and knowingly doing wrong. This priest is supposedly a holy man and sheds light on people's lives. He's looked upon as a "good" guy and is there to teach people how to live better. I'm 100% sure he's told others about not to rape and abuse etc yet here he is caught of doing what he's supposed to preach against others from. I don't get how you don't see the difference lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerridwen Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I care about everyone. That's why I want to help these people. If you feel the need to put them through a rehab program in prison, then do that. If you feel to give them a second chance, then do that, and put him in a community that's willing to help him be accountable and help him change. I don't care what the research says. Every human has the capacity to change. Even the worst ones. Oh yeah, I forgot, religion trumps science every time. I notice you haven't bothered to address my question posed before. Do you seriously think that an innocent child should have to pay the price for a pedophile priest's second chance? Do you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 The outrage crew (some usual suspects here) found their target to kick around: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 A pedophile is a pedophile is a pedophile. And they always will be. You don't deliberately put innocent children in their way to sexually abuse or molest without becoming culpable in their assault. And you sure as hell do not put innocent children in their path as part of a 'second chance'. I notice you haven't bothered to address my question posed before. Do you seriously think that an innocent child should have to pay the price for a pedophile priest's second chance? Do you?? I have answered it, just not directly to you. I'll expand on it. Surround them with a community of people, young and old, who want to see him change and will encourage him to do so as well as have regular check-ups to see how he's doing and if he feels tempted at all. If he has, maybe remove the children from his social sphere temporarily. Build him up, give him a positive identity, and when the temptations go, then bring the children back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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