Dral Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I nominate this for ignorant post of the week. I'm always curious as to how exactly this sort of thing can actually happen. Especially confusing when the majority of the participants are seemingly part of the religion of peace. Curiously it's also in part of the world where human rights are so progressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dral Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 This is very sad and unacceptable, if these ppl were actaully walked over. Like what the hell, your going to mecca for peace of mind and bliss, so how can you walk over someone? I get concerts, people are rowdy and care-free but in a religious gathering were people are trying to reach the understanding of peace, I find it hard to believe. If the choice is between walking over someone else or getting pushed down and crushed to death yourself... well, for me it's a pretty easy decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Karma doing it's job. Air conditioned tents that can house 3 million refugees, but they'd rather use those for....whatever this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxi Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I'm always curious as to how exactly this sort of thing can actually happen. Especially confusing when the majority of the participants are seemingly part of the religion of peace. Curiously it's also in part of the world where human rights are so progressive. I don't know how you are getting to these conclusions. It wasn't a violent riot. It was a stampede triggered by panic and improper infrastructure to support the millions of people there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFirstLine Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Karma doing it's job. Air conditioned tents that can house 3 million refugees, but they'd rather use those for....whatever this is.Another uneducated post in this thread, why not use the same terrible analogy for every single tragedy that has occurred for the last 10 years. It's like saying hurricane Katrina was justified because of the actions of certain people. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the shift in tectonic plates, just as this stampede obviously wasn't caused by an unfortunate accident. Using "karma" as the reason for 800 innocent people's deaths is comical to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Sarcasm detector broken. More like obliterated. I thought that would have been impossible to miss. Right because there are so many cases of hundreds trampled to death in North America? It's a culture problem. I Canada you would have people tripping over themselves to give other people space and respect, where as here you have a horde of people that can't stop for anyone but themselves. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_concert_disaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 I nominate this for ignorant post of the week. Maybe we should nominate you for ignorant Islam supporter of the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoGuitar Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Crowd Crushes are no joking matter. Imagine being slowly suffocated in an enclosed space and you and those around you are slowly dying under the pressure. Now laugh about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baer. Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Another uneducated post in this thread, why not use the same terrible analogy for every single tragedy that has occurred for the last 10 years. It's like saying hurricane Katrina was justified because of the actions of certain people. I'm sure it had nothing to do with the shift in tectonic plates, just as this stampede obviously wasn't caused by an unfortunate accident. Using "karma" as the reason for 800 innocent people's deaths is comical to say the least. LOL! I bet you love the sound of your own voice in real life. "If it's not my opinion, it's wrong!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Maybe we should nominate you for ignorant Islam supporter of the year? Remind me how pointing out that the spirit of your posts borders on near hatred makes him an islam supporter? I am not pro muslim but I sure as hell am anti ignorance. And sadly this entire forum has me shaking my head every single time a story about muslims shows up in the feeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Right because there are so many cases of hundreds trampled to death in North America? It's a culture problem. I Canada you would have people tripping over themselves to give other people space and respect, where as here you have a horde of people that can't stop for anyone but themselves. Just want to give you the heads up there bud http://www.sptimes.com/2003/02/18/Worldandnation/Stampede_deaths.shtml https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_stampedes Culture problem? So many hundreds in North America? Seems to me it's EVERY culture. Yet you're kind of pinning the blame on one specific culture. Why again? Remind me again how this doesn't happen in North America while I post multiple stories of fat Americans trampled to death or hospitalized while rushing in to best buy for a new TV I don't know how you are getting to these conclusions. It wasn't a violent riot. It was a stampede triggered by panic and improper infrastructure to support the millions of people there. To the best of my knowledge reading this, it happened when one wave of pilgrims intersected another at a pass and the crush ended up turning back on itself in the two passes looking for air as they couldn't squeeze in in suitable numbers thus panicking turning back and.... This has happened before too which is what lead to tens of millions spent on infrastructure to try to accommodate. But as you said millions of people. That many people moving at once is bound to cause massive issues and the fact these events are so rare with the numbers and volume they generate is nothing short of remarkable really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 ^^^ There is nothing in North America that is close to this scale. You could take all the people trampled on black Friday over the last 20 years and it would still be less than this. Really it's just sad, your link just goes to show how many times this has happened at this same event in the same place. They still haven't figured out how to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MovesLikeDatsyuk Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 All this for some guy named Alan Snackbar.. I will never understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 ^^^ There is nothing in North America that is close to this scale. You could take all the people trampled on black Friday over the last 20 years and it would still be less than this. Really it's just sad, your link just goes to show how many times this has happened at this same event in the same place. They still haven't figured out how to stop it. Actually what is sad is your ignorance. Nothing like this happens in north america. Then I post links to prove it does. Yet you completely ignore it and claim numbers numbers numbers without admitting you're wrong Wanna know the difference? Numbers. Hundreds in North America sometimes thousands. VS MILLIONS during a pilgrimage. When you scale up something that dramatically yes the numbers will rise. Your ignorance is astonishing really. They've spent tens of if not hundreds of millions to try to alleviate and stop these tragedies from happening. yet every year some overweight slob is nearly killed at a best buy trying to get a new tv and nothing ever changes. See you at black friday champ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 "karma" "What a disgusting culture" "They deserve it" "Why can't they just treat each other better" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tortorella's Rant Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Americans trample each other over Black Friday deals. Saudis trample each other over religion. Stupid people eliminating stupid people. Win win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Americans trample each other over Black Friday deals. Saudis trample each other over religion. Stupid people eliminating stupid people. Win win! I kind of like that actually. Hopefully the problem sorts itself out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Right because there are so many cases of hundreds trampled to death in North America? It's a culture problem. I Canada you would have people tripping over themselves to give other people space and respect, where as here you have a horde of people that can't stop for anyone but themselves. They've actually done research on how stampedes start, it's not an issue of "respect" or any conscious decisions by the people involved. It's partly pure physics and partly a chain reaction of panic and basic instinct. The west has seen it's share of stampedes at sporting events and concerts, even Black Friday as others have mentioned. The only reason we haven't seen anything as big is because this was a huge event with millions of people. Perhaps you should do some research before being so quick to bash another culture. I'm not saying this couldn't have been prevented. Obviously better crowd control and infrastructure is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amish Rake Fighter Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 List of largest peaceful gatherings in history 20 million and over[edit] An estimated 48.1 million people gathered to take a holy dip in Godavari River during 2015 Godavari Maha Pushkaram in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana, India.[1]An estimated 30 million people bathed at the Triveni Sangam in Allahabad for the 2013 Maha Kumbh Mela. [2] An estimated 20 million people visited the shrine of Husayn ibn Ali in Karbala, Iraq during Arba'een in 2014.[3][4][5][6][7] Over 10 million[edit] See also: Imam Husayn Shrine An estimated 19 million pilgrims gathered in Karbala, Iraq for the Arba'een in December 2014.[8][9][10][11][12][12][13]An estimated 15 to 18 million people visited the shrine of Husayn ibn Ali in Karbala, Iraq during Arba'een in January 2013.[14][15][16][17] An estimated 15 to 18 million people visited the shrine of Husayn ibn Ali in Karbala, Iraq during Arba'een in 2012.[18][19][20][21] An estimated 15 million people visited the shrine of Husayn ibn Ali in Karbala, Iraq during Arba'een in 2011.[22] An estimated 12 million people visited the shrine of Imam Musa al-Kadhim seventh Imam of Shia in Kadhimiya, Iraq during martyrdom of Imam Musa al-Kadhim in 2015.[23] An estimated 10 to 14 million people visited the shrine of Husayn ibn Ali in Karbala, Iraq during Arba'een in 2010.[24][25][26][27][28] An estimated 10 to 14 million people visited the shrine of Husayn ibn Ali in Karbala, Iraq during Arba'een in 2009.[29] An estimated 15 million people attended the funeral of C. N. Annadurai in Tamil Nadu, India in 1969.[30] An estimated 11 million people gathered for the funeral of Ayatollah Khomeini in Tehran in 1989.[31]* Over five million[edit] An estimated 6 to 7 million attended the Concluding Eucharistic Celebration in Manila on the Feast Day of Santo Niño, Sunday, 18 January 2015, ending the 5-day apostolic and state visit of Pope Francis in the Philippines, making it as the largest papal crowd in history, surpassing the previous record (listed below).[32][33][34]Over 5.5 million turn up for Nazarene parade ahead of papal visit for Traslación of the Black Nazarene 2015 in Manila,Philippines.[35][36][37] Over 5 million people attended a rally for World Youth Day 1995 in Manila, Philippines, to see Pope John Paul II. Formerly the largest papal crowd in history, it was surpassed on 18 January 2015 during Pope Francis' visit to the Philippines.[38] Two to five million[edit] An estimated 5 million people attended the funeral of Egyptian President Gamel Abdel Nasser on 1 October 1970 in Cairo, Egypt.[39][40]An estimated 5 million people gathered in Sabarimala, India on 14 January 2007.[41] An estimated 4.2 million people attended a concert given by Rod Stewart in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on 1994-12-31.[42] An estimated 4 million people attended the funeral of Umm Kulthum in Cairo, Egypt on 6 February 1975.[43][44] An estimated 3.5 million people attended the concert given by Jean-Michel Jarre for the celebration of the 850th birthday ofMoscow, in 1997. An estimated 3.16 million people made the annual Hajj to Mecca, Saudi Arabia in 2012 (1.4 million from Saudi and 1.75 Foreigners)[45] An estimated 3.2 million people gathered for the annual feast of the Santo Niño de Cebú (Holy Child Jesus of Cebu) on the third Sunday of January 2014. The crowd attended the solemn procession in the main streets of Cebu City, Philippines.[46][47][48] More than 3 million devotees had gathered in the first Nabakalebara Ratha Yatra of the millennium in Puri,India which took place after a gap of 19 years.[49][50] More than 3 million people protested in the Circus Maximus, Rome, on 23 March 2002, in a demonstration organized by the left-wing trade union CGIL, led by Sergio Cofferati, against the labour reform promoted by the conservative government of Silvio Berlusconi.[51][52] An estimated 3 million people marched through Rome, Italy in opposition to the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in the largest anti-war rally in history on 15 February 2003.[53][54] An estimated 2 million people gathered at Hussani Chuk Skardu, Baltistan Pakistan on 09 Aug 2013 Asad Ashura Shia Muslims gathered to commemorate Majlis of Imam Hussain. An estimated 2 million people gathered at Raja Bazaar, Rawalpindi on 24 December 2013 after threats from Takfiri groups due toAshura riots Shia Muslims gathered to commemorate Chehlum of Imam Hussain. Takfiris despite all their threats had to retreat.[55] The Bengali gathering, called Bishwa Ijtema (World Gathering) of Tablighi Jamaat, converges followers from around the world inTongi near Dhaka, Bangladesh and with an attendance exceeding 3 million people.[56][57] An estimated 3 million people welcomed Benazir Bhutto on her return from exile in 1986 in Lahore. The procession covered the 12 kilometer distance from the Lahore airport to Minar e Pakistan in over ten hours. The crowd accumulated at gardens of the landmark accommodated over 1.5 million people with queues of cars and trucks reaching outside the then city limits miles away.[58] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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