ORLY? US-Trained Syrian Rebels were Joining ISIS with weapons supplied by Washington - Putin

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Salmberry

What are Americans if they aren't anglo saxon imperialists?

But I'm wondering where the official isis thread got to.

Today Russia began bombing isis hotbeds (evidently) in support of Syria while telling the US to take a hike. However their first targets don't appear to be areas of isis activity which begs the question, what is their actual intentions now?

Here's a link

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4571966.ece

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Russians to the Rescuuue:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/30/politics/russia-syria-airstrikes-isis/

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Salmberry

What are Americans if they aren't anglo saxon imperialists?

But I'm wondering where the official isis thread got to.

Today Russia began bombing isis hotbeds (evidently) in support of Syria while telling the US to take a hike. However their first targets don't appear to be areas of isis activity which begs the question, what is their actual intentions now?

Here's a link

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article4571966.ece

Russia is lying.

They have stated they are bombing ISIS. However, reports show they are hitting the area around Homs, which doesn't have a big ISIS presence. They are hitting Syrian opposition forces to prop up Assad.

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423229/russia-bombing-isis-syria

[Robongo]

Russia is lying.

They have stated they are bombing ISIS. However, reports show they are hitting the area around Homs, which doesn't have a big ISIS presence. They are hitting Syrian opposition forces to prop up Assad.

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423229/russia-bombing-isis-syria

Or it's more western propaganda.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-2012-5

NATO has no business being in Syria in the first place. They've looked for a pretext to invade Syria since 2006 and how convenient it is that ISIS came out of thin air to give them just that.

Look at the state of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya to name a few. Western intervention is not working, time to butt the hell out

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Or it's more western propaganda.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-legalizes-propaganda-2012-5

NATO has no business being in Syria in the first place. They've looked for a pretext to invade Syria since 2006 and how convenient it is that ISIS came out of thin air to give them just that.

Look at the state of Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya to name a few. Western intervention is not working, time to butt the hell out

NATO doesn't want to invade Syria is the thing. The Western nations role thus far in Syria has been limited airstrikes to stop ISIS advances.

And no this is not propaganda. Every news source is reporting that Russia is hitting the targets around Homs and those are not ISIS targets.

[Robongo]

NATO doesn't want to invade Syria is the thing. The Western nations role thus far in Syria has been limited airstrikes to stop ISIS advances.

And no this is not propaganda. Every news source is reporting that Russia is hitting the targets around Homs and those are not ISIS targets.

You're hilarious. It's funny that the majority of your posts on this forum aren't anything to do with hockey at all but instead a lot of defending US foreign policy and Israel

How about the Western nations role in starting this whole uprising in the first place?

http://www.rt.com/news/314852-assange-wikileaks-us-syria/

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/18/us-usa-syria-wikileaks-idUSTRE73H0E720110418

How about US role in fueling ISIS?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

How about Obama's "red line" with chemical weapons looking for a pretext to invade not long ago? Chemical weapons that have been reported by many non main stream media sources that were being used by the rebels to frame Assad.

How can you honestly say that NATO doesn't want to invade Syria?

And as to your second point; the vast majority of media is owned by 4-5 corporations and they all parrot eachother. It's nearly impossible to discern propaganda from truth.

Either you are incredibly naive or you're being disingenuous.

[Warhippy]

Anyone listening to this frigging clown from the Pentagon?

Just stepped in front of a camera and said the Syrian President allowing Russia into HIS country to bomb ISIS is only going to destabilize the region and strengthen ISIS. That Russian jets dropping bombs will only cause casualties.

SMH....wtf is this clown talking about? is he looking in a mirror? US and company in the region bombing ISIS arming Syrians only to watch them sell the weapons to ISIS claiming anyone else will somehow mess things up.

The west really has turned in to a bunch of gun toting idiots

[Robongo]

Anyone listening to this frigging clown from the Pentagon?

Just stepped in front of a camera and said the Syrian President allowing Russia into HIS country to bomb ISIS is only going to destabilize the region and strengthen ISIS. That Russian jets dropping bombs will only cause casualties.

SMH....wtf is this clown talking about? is he looking in a mirror? US and company in the region bombing ISIS arming Syrians only to watch them sell the weapons to ISIS claiming anyone else will somehow mess things up.

The west really has turned in to a bunch of gun toting idiots

They should be looking at Saudi Arabia If they're so worried about brutal dictators , terrorists, beheadings and other blatant human rights violations. But anyone with half a brain can see that this has nothing to do with that. It's such a joke and so are people that eat up their propaganda garbage

[Nuxfanabroad]

Obomber shouldn't attempt chess with Putin.

Russians are in Syria at their gov't's behest. Big difference.

[Mr. Ambien]

Anyone listening to this frigging clown from the Pentagon?

Just stepped in front of a camera and said the Syrian President allowing Russia into HIS country to bomb ISIS is only going to destabilize the region and strengthen ISIS. That Russian jets dropping bombs will only cause casualties.

SMH....wtf is this clown talking about? is he looking in a mirror? US and company in the region bombing ISIS arming Syrians only to watch them sell the weapons to ISIS claiming anyone else will somehow mess things up.

The west really has turned in to a bunch of gun toting idiots

For a second I thought Slash posted on the forums.

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They should be looking at Saudi Arabia If they're so worried about brutal dictators , terrorists, beheadings and other blatant human rights violations. But anyone with half a brain can see that this has nothing to do with that. It's such a joke and so are people that eat up their propaganda garbage

I don't disagree. Saudi Arabia has spent billions of dollars training islamic militants, who later formed ISIS and attack the US. That's what happens when you have so much oil.

However, holding the Russians out as heros in this situation is BS.

[taxi]

Obomber shouldn't attempt chess with Putin.

Russians are in Syria at their gov't's behest. Big difference.

k....Assad is a horrible dictator who's lost control of his country. He's not the government and has no more of a claim to that position than any other group. The US entered at the request of the Kurdish and other rebels in the North. The Kurds are the effective government in the North.

[Robongo]

k....Assad is a horrible dictator who's lost control of his country. He's not the government and has no more of a claim to that position than any other group. The US entered at the request of the Kurdish and other rebels in the North. The Kurds are the effective government in the North.

More Western media spin. If he's such a horrible dictator then why do most Syrians back him? He's lost control of his country because of US and other governments meddling and creating an uprising from within.

Speaking to 'Going Underground' host Afshin Rattansi, Assange referred to the chapter on Syria, which goes back to 2006. In that chapter is a cable from US Ambassador William Roebuck, who was stationed in Damascus, which apparently discusses a plan for the overthrow of the Assad government in Syria....That plan was to use a number of different factors to create paranoia within the Syrian government; to push it to overreact, to make it fear there's a coup...so in theory it says 'We have a problem with Islamic extremists crossing over the border with Iraq, and we're taking actions against them to take this information and make the Syrian government look weak, the fact that it is dealing with Islamic extremists at all.'”

He added that the most serious part of the plan was to “foster tensions between Shiites and Sunnis. In particular, to take rumors that are known to be false...or exaggerations and promote them – that Iran is trying to convert poor Sunnis, and to work with Saudi and Egypt to foster that perception in order to make it harder for Iran to have influence, and also harder for the government to have influence in the population.”

To understand what is happening in and around Syria, one must look at regional alliances, Assange said.

“Part of the problem in Syria is that you have a number of US allies surrounding it, principally Saudi and Qatar, that are funneling in weapons. Turkey as well [is] a very serious actor. [They] each have their own hegemonic ambitions in the region. Israel also, no doubt, if Syria sufficiently destabilized, it might be in a position where it can keep the Golan Heights forever, or even advance that territory. So you've got a number of players around Syria that are looking to bite off pieces...”

source: Juliange Assanges book The Wiki Files

Who the hell are we to dictate to them what kind of government they can and cannot have? This isn't about democracy, this isn't about human rights or ISIS, that is all a ruse

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^^^

If most Syrians back him, why didn't he just call for an election when the protests broke out. The US also did not create the uprising. It was part of the much wider Arab spring.

I suppose when your choice is Assad or ISIS, Assad looks good.

[Robongo]

^^^

If most Syrians back him, why didn't he just call for an election when the protests broke out. The US also did not create the uprising. It was part of the much wider Arab spring.

I suppose when your choice is Assad or ISIS, Assad looks good.

I've shown you sources that they have, and you continue to choose to follow your own narrative. You are either blind or willfully ignorant and it is looking like the latter, so good day to you and enjoy your blissful ignorance.

One more for good measure to show that the US planned this years ago:

In an interview with Amy Goodman on March 2, 2007, U.S. General Wesley Clark (Ret.), explains that the Bush Administration planned to take out 7 countries in 5 years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Lybia, Somalia, Sudan, Iran"

[Robongo]

Russia is lying.

They have stated they are bombing ISIS. However, reports show they are hitting the area around Homs, which doesn't have a big ISIS presence. They are hitting Syrian opposition forces to prop up Assad.

http://www.vox.com/2015/9/30/9423229/russia-bombing-isis-syria

ISIS seized Al-Qaryatain town in the southeastern countryside of Homs after violent clashes with pro-regime forces and loyalist fighters,” Observatory chief Rami Abdel Rahman told AFP.

A total of 37 regime soldiers and loyalist fighters were killed, while 23 ISIS militants also died, Abdel Rahman said.

He said the town held strategic importance because of its location along a road linking the ancient city of Palmyra, which has been held by ISIS militants since May, with Qalamun region in Damascus province.

“The control of Al-Qaryatain allows ISIS to link the areas under its control in the eastern countryside of Homs with the areas under its control in the eastern countryside of Qalamun, and allows it to transfer fighters and supplies between the two regions,” Abdel Rahman said.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/08/06/ISIS-seizes-key-Syrian-town-in-Homs-.html

but no, it's not all US propaganda, am I right taxi? Russia is lying!

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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2015/08/06/ISIS-seizes-key-Syrian-town-in-Homs-.html

but no, it's not all US propaganda, am I right taxi? Russia is lying!

a dur dur dur...

There is the city of Homs and the Province of Homs. The Russian airstrikes are taking place around the city of Homs and nowhere near any ISIS positions.

This is a map of the Homs Province, it's huge:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homs_Governorate

The city of Homs is located in the far left of the province and to the Norh of the Lebanese border. This is where the Russian airstrikes are occurring. In fact, the airstrike are occurring North of the City of Homs and even further north to that near the Turkish border:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34399164

The ISIS attacks referenced in your article were occurring to the South and East of the City of Homs.

[kurtis]

Go Russia go.

[Realtor Rod]

Go Russia go.

Seems like such a strange thing to say

[DarthNinja]

I don't disagree. Saudi Arabia has spent billions of dollars training islamic militants, who later formed ISIS and attack the US. That's what happens when you have so much oil.

However, holding the Russians out as heros in this situation is BS.

lol by that logic Venezuela and Canada must have also spent billions of $ training Islamic militants who later formed ISIS since Venezuela is #1 and Canada is 3rd in the world (right behind Saudi) for proven oil reserves.