Nino Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Burrows is more dead weight than Hansen. I hope this is your last post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I hope this is your last post... Probably would be if Deb saw it. I edited it though, to get my point across better. I worded it wrong before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 the nucks are not going to add 4 rookies to the line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bo.Horvat53 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 the nucks are not going to add 4 rookies to the line up. Not because they shouldn't though. Because they have too much dead weight that cant be moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Forward vets to keep Sedins Burrows Sutter Dorsette I'd rather have prust long term deal at lower cap than Hansen It's time to integrate virtanen, beartschi, McCann, gaunce because next year how can you incorporate virtanen, gaunce, shink, Cassels, Mcann all at once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammerhead Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Vey looks like he has no confidence whatsoever , would sure like to see Virtanen and another big body like Gaunce make the line up , we need some bigger boys throwing their weight around . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Vey, Higgins, Weber should not be on this team imo. But guys like Hansen you keep. Most nights he's the only guy who shows up. Higgins is a work horse every night. He doesn't have moments of flash like Hansen so people want him gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Higgins is a work horse every night. He doesn't have moments of flash like Hansen so people want him gone. They are both great players but also players we "should" get a good return for. They are third line players at best but great ones, problem is we need third line openings to bring in our prospects so I just see them as blockers to our rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonoman Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Its unbelievable how many people want to stay the course with a bunch of vets who have really proven nothing when everything matters, rather than moving on, taking some rough patches and letting the young guys learn with experience. Not every team that injects youth is going to be on the "Edmonton" path. I would rather watch our young guys learn and entertain us, rather than another possible year of maybe just making the playoffs, getting bounced and dropping further for draft day. Face reality, the 2011 leftovers are finished, expired. Just counting the day until our team is Swede free I take it, you just started watching hockey this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homersexual Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Contracts dictate who stays and who goes. One way contract stays regardless of what Benning will have you believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I take it, you just started watching hockey this year? I've been watching since 94 and I agree except the last sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeburn Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 They are both great players but also players we "should" get a good return for. They are third line players at best but great ones, problem is we need third line openings to bring in our prospects so I just see them as blockers to our rebuild. Meh. I think of the Hs (Higgins & Hansen) as average 3rd liners, meaning far more sound that merely serviceable, but also hardly gonna rock the opposition with that awesome gooey intimidation affect. Still, they'd be keepers if not for the problem you flag - needing 3rd line openings to make room for the youth... I think of how the Sedins, Keslers and Burrows of the Canucks world would have evolved if not for having a solid transition to the NHL via the 3rd line intro... I mean, those guys were properly developed by 1] being clearly ready for the NHL, 2] getting a full year on the 3rd (learning/playing/mastering 200 foot games), and 3] having the benefit of #2 because the team actually had a solid top 6. Meaning they got some traditional sheltering while being seasoned and mixed into the special teams second units. In an ideal world, Horvat would get the benefit of another year at 3C, though start seeing more special teams minutes, while guys like Baer and Virtanen would play his wings for the full season. But that not only means Higgins & Hansen can't be taking up space on the 3rd line - there has to be a valid 2nd line that can be relied upon for secondary scoring and some of the harder minutes. I think you're correct that Higgins & Hansen are bottlenecks - they should be 3rd liners who are, this year, replaced by youth such as Bear and Virt. It could be argued that Burrows, my fav who I think of as more the "great" 3rd liner at this stage, is also a bottleneck. I don't know what to think of Sutter (other than 1] he better live up to Bennings hype/hope, and 2] his effort/drive to do so hasn't impressed in the pre-season), and guess I wasn't too impressed with Vrbata last year either, go figure. I kinda see all of these guys - Higgins, Hansen, Burrows, Sutter and Vrbata as average to great 3rd liners. And so bottlenecks for youth getting proper 3rd line seasoning. But the bigger problem, in my (not so) humble opinion, is that there is no genuine top 6 outside of the Sedins (who arguably are close to being aged into 2nd line duty themselves). If I plugged the current names into a roster where I think they'd fit on a genuine cup contender, it'd look like this - with the "bottlenecks" in brackets - ?? - ?? - ?? Sedin D - Sedin H - Burrows (Vrbata) Baer (Higgins) - Horvat (Sutter) - Virtanen (Hansen) Dorset - ?? (Vey) - ?? (Prust) To be a real contender, I think the Canucks need 1] a full 1st or 2nd line - a trio of established young vets, mid to late 20s guys, to provide proven top 6 offense 2] a 4C who is an ace in the dot (Maholtra's offspring?) and offers a physical, durable veteran body 3] age/phase out Higgins, Sutter (I know, won't happen now), Hansen, and Prust 4] waive/trade or whatever else can be done, but call it a day for Vey (see point 2) Seeing how none of that is gonna happen this year, the best we can hope is that despite the lack of traditional 3rd line seasoning, each of Baer and Horvat take big leaps this year, along with someone like Virtanen, so there's a genuine trio to play 1st/2nd line next year, that Sutter doesn't mind being a well-paid 3rd liner until the Sedins retire, and somewhere between today and the trade deadline, bottlenecks Higgins and Hansen, possibly Burrows too, and Vey and Prust are moved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Yeah Swedes that took this franchise to soaring heights Oh, you mean that Swede Kesler, that put the team on his back and carried it until he got hurt while the other Swede let himself get speed-bagged by a guy about up to his knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Forward vets to keep Sedins Burrows Sutter Dorsette I'd rather have prust long term deal at lower cap than Hansen It's time to integrate virtanen, beartschi, McCann, gaunce because next year how can you incorporate virtanen, gaunce, shink, Cassels, Mcann all at once Ya, why would we want any decent players in Utica for call ups. Let's just empty the farm and put them on the team now ready or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Oh, you mean that Swede Kesler, that put the team on his back and carried it until he got hurt while the other Swede let himself get speed-bagged by a guy about up to his knee. It was the Swedes that put the team on their backs in San Jose when Kesler disappeared. Some seem to forget that part and focus only on the Nashville series. The one and only series Kesler dominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I was flamed in the summer for saying one of higgy or Hanson should be moved to make room for prospects Wouldn't it actually be more prudent to wait and see if a prospect is actually the better option? "Better" being a key word there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puckdontlie Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Wouldn't it actually be more prudent to wait and see if a prospect is actually the better option? "Better" being a key word there. Or if they get good trade value they don't have to necessarily be better as long as they're consistently solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Or if they get good trade value they don't have to necessarily be better as long as they're consistently solid. Sure, except this is a terrible time of year to get good value on the kind of players CDC wants to trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chickenman92 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Right now (and it may change slightly over the last couple of games) Sedin/Sedin/Burrows Baertschi/Horvat/Vrbata Gaunce/Sutter/Dorsett Virtanen/McCann/Prust Cracknell- I think he's earned the 13th forward spot and he can slot in for a young guy when needed IR- Higgins Edler/Tanev Hamhuis/Bartowski Weber/Hutton - Hutton needs to play if he's in the NHL Sbisa Biega Markstrom - yes he's my No. 1 because he's completely out playing Miller Miller Trade Hansen- Maybe you get a 3rd rd pick for him Send down, Fedun, Corrado, Grenier, Kenins, Vey. Corrado, Kenins and Grenier all need to play and they will get that chance in Utica. Fedun and Vey haven't been good enough to earn NHL jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Right now (and it may change slightly over the last couple of games) Sedin/Sedin/Burrows Baertschi/Horvat/Vrbata Gaunce/Sutter/Dorsett Virtanen/McCann/Prust Cracknell- I think he's earned the 13th forward spot and he can slot in for a young guy when needed IR- Higgins Edler/Tanev Hamhuis/Bartowski Weber/Hutton - Hutton needs to play if he's in the NHL Sbisa Biega Markstrom - yes he's my No. 1 because he's completely out playing Miller Miller Trade Hansen- Maybe you get a 3rd rd pick for him Send down, Fedun, Corrado, Grenier, Kenins, Vey. Corrado, Kenins and Grenier all need to play and they will get that chance in Utica. Fedun and Vey haven't been good enough to earn NHL jobs. Trade Higgins over Hansen. I'd trade Burrows over Hansen even. Corrado and Vey have to go through waivers, try and trade them first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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