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Here;s another list:


Tier I: The Elite

These are the best of the best; they play on Stanley Cup contenders and are the undisputed starter, and are Vezina calibre.

1. Carey Price, Montreal Canadiens He won it all last year, Vezina, Hart, Lindsay, and Jennings.

2. Henrik Lundqvist, New York Rangers King Henrik is arguably the best goalie on the planet.

3. Jonathan Quick, LA Kings No contest who is the starter with the two time Cup Champion.

4. Braden Holtby, Washington Capitals New addition to the top five after a breakout year.

5. Ben Bishop, Tampa Bay Lightning Big Ben needs to stay healthy, if so he is elite.

Roman-Josi-and-Rinne-feature-e1441307778Tier II: The very good

Nothing wrong with this group, they are all capable of being elite but have some question.

6. Pekka Rinne, Nashville Predators Re-established himself after an injury lost season.

7. M.A. Fleury, Pittsburgh Penguins Always has strong regular season stats and the Pens have beefed up.

8. Tuukka Rask, Boston Bruins Rask is solid, but what direction are the Bruins headed?

9. Corey Crawford, Chicago Blackhawks Crawford struggled at times and temporarily lost the crease in playoffs to Scott Darling. A hiccup or a warning sign?

10. Jaroslav Halak, New York Islanders Was unable to get job done in St. Louis but has looked good on the Island. The Islanders are a team on the rise, can he do for them what he couldnt do in St. Louis?

semyon-varlamov-e1408405242686.jpgTier III: Good goalies in bad situations

11. Semyon Varlamov, Colorado Avalanche The Avs had a huge regression but Varly remained solid.

12. Sergei Bobrovsky, Columbus Injuries killed the season last year but Columbus are a team on the rise

13. Roberto Luongo, Florida Panthers Roberto is getting older, will the Panthers improve while he can still make a difference?

14. Corey Schneider, New Jersey Devils Entering his prime but desperately needs some run support.

15. Steve Mason, Philadelphia Flyers Flyers may have finally found their starting goalie

16. Devan Dubnyk, Minnesota Wild This time last year he was a fantasy after thought, then went on to play in over 40 straight games earning a Vezina nomination. Would the real Dubnyk please stand up?

Tier IV: Should be the starting goalie on a good teamshould be!

17. Jonas Hiller, Calgary Flames Rebound season, Flames projected to regress, contract year, a lot of questions with this player.

18. Frederik Andersen, Anaheim Ducks With the addition of Khudobin and Gibson pushing, Andersen could lose some starts at the first sign of trouble.

19. Craig Anderson, Ottawa Senators Has elite type stats, but cant stay healthy. Had the crease burgled late in the season.

20. Ryan Miller, Vancouver Canucks Jacob Markstrom will push Miller who struggled at times last year.

Petr-Mrazek1.jpgTier V: Split starters on good teams

Tandem situations where the team will ride two goalies, ideal for handcuff situations

21. Jimmy Howard, Detroit Red Wings Lost the starting job in playoffs, but contract says he is the starter

22. Petr Mrazek, Detroit Red Wings Is younger and arguably better than Howard.

23. Brian Elliott, St. Louis Blues Like Howard, lost the starting job in the playoffs.

24. Jake Allen, St. Louis Blues Is the gaolie of the future, which could begin immediately.

25. Kari Lehtonen, Dallas Stars Brutal season, may flourish with less pressure.

26. Antti Niemi, Dallas Stars Couldnt cut it as a starter in San Jose, may work well in tandem.

Tier VI: The Unknown

Potentially great goalies, potentially getting their first crack as a number one.

27. Martin Jones, San Jose Sharks Sharks could have a good season and Jones could see the lions share of the starts.

28. Robin Lehner, Buffalo Sabres Tim Murray believes in Lehner, he drafted him in Ottawa, gave up a first to bring him to Buffalo, but has injury history.

29. Cam Talbot, Edmonton Oilers Talbot was excellent spelling Henrik Lundqvist when he was injured behind a strong New York Rangers defence.

Tier VII: Split starters on bad teams

30. Jonathan Bernier, Toronto Maple Leafs The Leafs badly want him to be the answer in goal.

31. James Reimer, Toronto Maple Leafs Clean slate in Toronto with new management, its now or never for Optimus Reim.

32. Ondrej Pavelec, Winnipeg Jets The Jets are not a bad team, but Pavelec has proven to be very inconsistent

33. Michael Hutchinson, Winnipeg Jets Again, Jets are a good team, but Hutchinson struggled later in the season

34. Cam Ward, Carolina Hurricanes Ward has been in steady decline, but is in a UFA contract year.

35. Eddie Lack, Carolina Hurricanes Lack is a player on the rise. In a better situation he would rank higher. His time may come next year, or as soon as now.

Andrew-Hammond.jpgTier VIII: Boom or Bust

These players need a break to reach their full potential, but Im saying there is a chance.

36. John Gibson, Anaheim Ducks If he were not injured last year, he could have been ranked in the top three tiers

37. Andrew Hammond, Ottawa Senators Count on Anderson being injured, and when that happens, the Sens will look to Hammond. Was his miraculous run an aberration, or is he the next Tim Thomas?

38. Connor Hellebuyck, Winnipeg Jets As mentioned above, the Jets are a good team and Pavelec and Hutchinson have underwhelmed. Hellebuyck impressed at the World Championship and could steal the show

39. Scott Darling, Chicago Blackhawks Darling temporarily won the starting job away from Crawford last year and has a slight chance of doing so again and not letting go.

Tier IX: Rookies

These rookies have lots of potential and should be starters one day, maybe not this yearbut maybe.

40. Andrei Vasilevskiy, Tampa Bay Lightning A blood clot will keep him out for the first few months otherwise he could push the split with Bishop.

41. Matt Murray, Pittsburgh Penguins The AHLs best goalie will be the backup to Fleury this year, all it takes is an injury and Murray will be the starter.

42. Malcolm Subban, Boston Bruins Was shelled and pulled in his first NHL game last year but is the future starter for the Bruins and could be the backup to Rask this year.

43. Anders Nilsson, Edmonton Oilers Was dominant in the KHL last year and returns to the NHL after 23 games with the Islanders.

Tier X: The long shots

If you are drafting these guys, they better be your third goalie or you only score one and you have a Tier one goalie.

44. Karri Ramo, Calgary Flames

45. Michael Neuvirth, Philadelphia Flyers

46. Alex Stalock, San Jose Sharks

47. Jacob Markstrom, Vancouver Canucks

48. Ben Scrivens, Edmonton Oilers

49. Thomas Greiss, New York Islanders

50. Jhonas Enroth, LA Kings

More accurate list IMO

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I don't put Miller in the top 10... but I also don't put him near the bottom 5 either.

Seems like he is somewhere in the middle of the pack to me, and his stats seem to back it up.

Agreed.......in the end the only stat that matters to me is W's. Millers pretty good there.

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Carey Price

Sergei Bobrovsky

Henrik Lundqvist

Cory Schneider

Braden Holtby

Pekka Rinne

Roberto Luongo

Semyon Varlomov

Tuukka Rask

Jonathan Quick

Frederik Andersen

Devan Dubnyk

Ben Bishop

Kari Lehtonen

Craig Anderson

Corey Crawford

MA Fleury

Ryan Miller

Ondrej Pavelec

Mike Smith

Jake Allen

Jaroslav Halak

Jimmy Howard

Steve Mason

Jonas Hiller

Robin Lehner

Matin Jones

Cam Talbot

Cam Ward

My favorite part is how the stanley cup winningngoalies of last 6 years (minus thomas) are all rated below top 10. Lolololololololol. Quick is top 5 goalie and crawford is top 10.
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