Ray_Cathode Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Is put Vrbata on trade block andcteyvtovfind a young R shot D man or a d man like Shea theadore. Vrbata Jensen For Young D man Nobody wants Jensen, forcing another team to take him would diminish the return on Vrbata. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I think that this makes as much sense as anything. Sutter will play the defensively responsible role with the Sedin line. WD also says that he wants to spread the offense around. So there's 2 reasons for putting Sutter with the Sedins that make sense: Sutter can play a defensively responsible role on the line so Hank doesn't have to work too hard on D and can play what he is best at; offense. Sutter not playing centre, gives a place for McCann to develop. Which line then, is the match-up / shut down line? Horvat with Baertschi and Vrbata is not. McCann is not. Cracknell is a good 4th line. So we're left with the Sedin line to match up which may account for their lack of production 5 on 5 to date (other than the 1st game). Again, it's about trade offs. They can't do all things especially if they're going to try to develop McCann, Virtanen and Baertschi in the NHL. Are they still about exploiting their most offensively gifted players? Or are they going to develop? Bottom line, does McCann stay? Because if he does, they will have to sacrifice having that shutdown line that they were after. The same line that they brought Sutter in to centre and be a foundational player. Lets try this: Sedin Sedin Burrows Baertschi Horvat Virtanen/Hansen Higgins Sutter Vrbata Prust Cracknell Dorsett/Hansen Get rid of Vrbata and everything works: Sedin, Sedin, Sutter Baertsche, Horvat, Virtannen Higgins, McCann, Burrows Prust, Cracknell, Dorsett or Hansen RW on third line, Burrows to left wing, Higgins sits. Or play him enough to get a trade, and bring up another kid - Gaunce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Fig Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Get rid of Vrbata and everything works: Sedin, Sedin, Sutter Baertsche, Horvat, Virtannen Higgins, McCann, Burrows Prust, Cracknell, Dorsett or Hansen RW on third line, Burrows to left wing, Higgins sits. Or play him enough to get a trade, and bring up another kid - Gaunce. If I wake up one morning in the near future to find the Canucks have traded Vrbata, my first thought would be 'they had a problem and solved it'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 I did notice that Bo isn't having sharp games anymore... Now we're back to where I started, is Horvat being given too much responsibility too soon? Horvat 1-0-1 -4 Baertschi 0-1-1 -1 Vrbata 0-0-0 -3..........the 2nd line isn't producing and it has the worst +/- Get rid of Vrbata and everything works: Sedin, Sedin, Sutter Baertsche, Horvat, Virtannen Higgins, McCann, Burrows Prust, Cracknell, Dorsett or Hansen RW on third line, Burrows to left wing, Higgins sits. Or play him enough to get a trade, and bring up another kid - Gaunce. Is Vrbata the root of all that is wrong with that line? I seriously doubt that replacing Vrbata with Virtanen is going to fix it. It comes down to what kind of team they want to be this year. It's a transition year so, Do they want to put up with the growing pains and focus on developing Horvat, Baertschi, McCann, Virtanen, Hutton and Markstrom. Or, Is winning more important now (because it's part of their development plan too). And they send McCann down so that Sutter can move back to the middle and they have the shutdown, match up line that will allow Horvat to thrive. It's a case of the greater good. This was the original plan after all. Having said that, if they send McCann down, they'll be faced with the same issue down the middle next year but Horvat will be a year older and more able to play the 2nd line role. Don't get me wrong, I love how McCann is playing. And I also think that Vrbata will be moved at the trade deadline this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 decades and no cup Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Yeah, Prust on the line was really doubling down on dumb. Vrbata has been 100% useless this year - put him back with the Sedins, let him run up some goals and trade him for a decent draft pick. We had lightning in a bottle with Baertschi, Horvat, and Virtannen (10 points in one friggin' game) - Vrbata has already cost Baertschi his job, and now he is even making Horvat look like chopped liver. Bit of an overstatement this early in the season. Lots of rookies/sophomore players ride the pine during the season. Baer needs to know that the 2nd line RW won't be gifted to him. The best case scenario would be for Vrby to get his game going again. Washington really needs his skillset and would be an awesome trading partner for the Canucks. With the play of Semin, perhaps the Habs would want Vrby as well. I'm not convinced that a whole season of Baer, Bo and Virt will work out, so I would like to see them play together for awhile before tossing Vrby away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 nashville might have interest in vrbata. Ekholm would be a target I think he is stuck behind their stacked defenders, but yes ekholm is another lefty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 after 6 games everyone but 3 are at even or better in the +/- category. The 3 are Horvat, Vrbata and Dorsett, all at -3 Hanson is our best at +5 It's not time to panic yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatetomatoes Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 No way Vrbata is bring Horvat down, if anything Horvat is bringing himself down. I think we're seeing he might have been thrust into that 2nd line spot a little too soon. He's made some glaring defensive errors leading to goals. He really hasn't created much offensively either. Vrbata looked great last night with Sutter so I wouldn't be so quick to blame Vrby.Bo will get it going but playing the blame game and not accepting that his own play is his own fault is kinda silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The teen line is not ready to be the 2nd line. They are a 3rd line and that keeps the pressure off them. There is not one of them has what Higgins has yet and I don't like Higgins that much. Vbrata and Suter are far more suitable for the 2nd line as is Burrows.It is comical how so many on here think just because we have a young prospect he is Connor McDavid, he's not. They are nowhere near the finished article McDavid is and McDavid himself is not the finished article.Our youngsters are good but they need time and they need to be protected from pressure. I have a feeling if they played for Detroit they wouldn't even be seeing the NHL yet. It is so unfair to them in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECKO Canuck Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 LOL Vrbata play is the one being dragged down by bo's play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bissurnette Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I know I've been here for a few years and I should know this by now but for the love of god can we stop freaking out after every loss especially this early in the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 LOL Vrbata play is the one being dragged down by bo's play.Vrbata has had lots of chances and lots of shots. Part of what we are seeing is bad luck. He will score. But he has always been a sniper. He is not strong defensively and does not forecheck effectively. That puts a big burden on whoever he plays with -- Horvat, Henrik, or whoever. I like the Horvat, Baetschi, Virtanen line (as does everyone else, except maybe WD). Playing Vrby with Sutter probably makes the most sense, but I am hoping the Canucks trade Vrby for a draft pick at the deadline. And I hope he plays well enough to bring back a first rounder in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoosh Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I know I've been here for a few years and I should know this by now but for the love of god can we stop freaking out after every loss especially this early in the season.This will never get any easier. It gets worse by every year that passes... Nice thought tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck_Fan_52 Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Put Vrbata back on the Twins line. That was the main reason he managed 31 goals last season! They had great chemistry together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 The teen line is not ready to be the 2nd line. They are a 3rd line and that keeps the pressure off them. There is not one of them has what Higgins has yet and I don't like Higgins that much. Vbrata and Suter are far more suitable for the 2nd line as is Burrows.It is comical how so many on here think just because we have a young prospect he is Connor McDavid, he's not. They are nowhere near the finished article McDavid is and McDavid himself is not the finished article.Our youngsters are good but they need time and they need to be protected from pressure. I have a feeling if they played for Detroit they wouldn't even be seeing the NHL yet. It is so unfair to them in many ways.Like the line up at practice Oct 20Sedin Sedin VrbataBurrows Sutter HansenBaertschi Horvat VirtanenDorsett McCann PrustCracknell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniac604 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I think the LW on that line has been holding them back. Prust and Dorsett should never, ever be in a top 6 role. Burrows is the clear choice. Or promote Virtanen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grape Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I don't necessarily think Horvat's play is being dragged down by Vrbata. IMO if Vrbata was our young gun and Horvat was the FA veteran we signed 1 yr ago for 12 mil then we'd be giving Horvat slack for bringing Vrbata's play down.IMHO though that lines just not working for whatever reason, there's no one to put blame on specifically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Desiboy for MVP!Most valuable primate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearditall Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Last year Horvat was playing well because he had guys who fought board battles; so far this year Horvat has had one goal on a powerplay against Calgary, other then that him and Vrbata have been struggling and the reason is simple, Vrbata is one damn Lazy player! The guy doesn't win puck battles he stands in the corner waiting to shoot the puck, honestly Willie just play him with the Sedins because the 2nd line is being affected from Vrbata's poor play! Don't matter where you play him, if its not with the Sedins or on the powerplay; Vrbata is pretty much useless on this team. Saw it in last years playoffs and now seeing it again, seems like Vrbata got extra lazy this year. Wow please keep him away from Horvat's line because Horvat needs guys who can help him fore-check! I understand snipers need to get open but why not fore-check a bit more? LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted October 23, 2015 Share Posted October 23, 2015 Horvat had several chances that could have won the game or tied it and he didn't capitalize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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