Zerox Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 the results were greatly skewed by the extremely weak division, as evidenced by our lack of playoff success. In 2011 we could have very easily lost in the first round to the Hawks. Even with getting to the finals that season we still did not accomplish any other playoff success, when we played teams from outside our division. We got beat a lot in the first round, and we were dominated. When you had guys like:Salo and Ehrhoff that can rifle shots on the PPTorres, Lapierre & Glass as your 4th line grindersKesler, Maholtra, Lapierre winning you faceoffs night in, night outBalanced scoring (like almost every forward gets 10 goals each) on each lineBest goalie tandem of Luongo and Schneider It was like the best mixture of scoring talents and grid combined together. Not pure luck.Boston on the other hand, IS lucky, because Tim Thomas played lights out for them. Montreal ALMOST knocked them out 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I would like to see more of the Horvat from the second half of last year, but I don't think WD has been mishandling our young guys. Every minute is meaningful at this level, and he'll coach them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 math was not my strongest subject, but how is 9 points in 8 games "2 games below .500"?3 OTL's are still 3 losses, we just retain a point for getting to OT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 The reason people care is that in terms of rookies a 9 game tryout should be just that. It shouldn't be 5-7 minutes a night. You have no idea what that player is capable of if that's how much time he has to prove himself. I don't care if the rookies stay (though I like their energy) or get sent back down, but at the very least they earned a fair shot from their training camp performance and they haven't been getting one. Either have them playing decent minutes here or actually give them time to develop by sending them down to their respective teams. Keeping them in the NHL with very minimal ice time doesn't do anything for anybody. Just pick one or the other. It doesn't help things that when we played the rookies with decent minutes in the preseason we won games with their youthful energy. Right now we've lost 4 games in a row all at home while playing our veterans like the Sedins for near or over 20 minutes. Could 10-12 minutes a game for the rookies and rolling all four lines really be any worse then what's happening now? Isn't that how we did so well last year is spreading the minutes? Why not try a game to see what happens? We obviously aren't getting it done doing what we're doing now and the kids deserve a fair look. If they don't look ready then just send them down. It's not like we're asking WD to give them top line minutes, but when Vey got over 10 minutes a game last year and this year our rookies are getting 5-7 then something is seriously not right and needs to be addressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 3 OTL's are still 3 losses, we just retain a point for getting to OTso by your math, 5 wins, 2 losses and 1 overtime loss equals .500 hockey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackcanuck Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 3 OTL's are still 3 losses, we just retain a point for getting to OTYou could look at it as, we have got points in 6 of 8 games or 75% of our games.This is with 8 new players inserted into our lineup from last season and trying to find line combinationsIt's called manageing your losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I remember when people said Horvat was going to be a borderline 3rd liner. LOOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 #1 in almost every team category there is... many were saying that (at least statistically), this team was the best since one of the 1970's Montreal Candiens team.Sure no cup but there is too much randomness involved in the playoffs (for example, reversion to 1970's Bobby Clarke era rules) to quantify the greatness of the team based solely off of playoff success. For example, I think Chicago is a great team, winning 3 cups supported by great regular seasons. But I don't consider LA as a great team. I say we were a good team, but not a great team. Playoff success IMHO must be part of the equation, because the ultimate goal for every franchise is the Cup. Our regular seasons balanced with our lack of playoff success makes for a good team, not a great team - much like what you stated for LA, only inverted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 You all seem to have some memory loss. I see everyone complaining everywhere about how the young guys are being under used. Does nobody remember how Horvat was introduced to the league? He was used VERY sparingly at the beginning of last season, even up until the 3/4 mark. It was prob thanks to this that he was so effective in the second half, and that his confidence was so high in the playoffs. Believe it or not WD knows more about hockey, and about rookie development than all you hacks. He is developing his young players properly. Slowly, as to limit their mistakes. These kids are not used to playing this many games in such a short span of time. They need to be introduced slowly or they'll have no gas left by late December. Dude. Seriously. +1 from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 If this thread was titled "CDC are elitist homers" it would have been shut down already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 If this thread was titled "CDC are elitist homers" it would have been shut down already. But it's called CDC Short Term Memory and it isn't shut down yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 Sure. But Baertschi needs to be given more ice time. Underusing him while putting in a top 6 role is counterproductive. Dorsett and Hansen are proven not to be second line material in terms of offensive production, yet these two get more top 6 ice time than Baertschi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalmatian mice Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I haven't been to that thread since page 5-6. Has it been answered? Do we really need him? I know Torts didn't need him.Tough to say. I personally think this Burrows guy, is gonna be a good NHLer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I say we were a good team, but not a great team. Playoff success IMHO must be part of the equation, because the ultimate goal for every franchise is the Cup. Our regular seasons balanced with our lack of playoff success makes for a good team, not a great team - much like what you stated for LA, only inverted.Good point. I agree that the playoff success should factor in but it shouldn't be the only measure of greatness. That team was on the verge of greatness though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragoedia Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 When you had guys like:Salo and Ehrhoff that can rifle shots on the PPTorres, Lapierre & Glass as your 4th line grindersKesler, Maholtra, Lapierre winning you faceoffs night in, night outBalanced scoring (like almost every forward gets 10 goals each) on each lineBest goalie tandem of Luongo and Schneider It was like the best mixture of scoring talents and grid combined together. Not pure luck.Boston on the other hand, IS lucky, because Tim Thomas played lights out for them. Montreal ALMOST knocked them out 1st round.Yeah. That "first round" team that almost beat us also was the reigning SC champion, who has also gone on to win the cup 2 more times since. Beating the hands down best team in the NHL in G7 OT is nothing to sneeze at. We also had some bad puck luck heading into that game. One could argue that Chicago was also lucky to get us to 7, especially through G6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 When you had guys like:Salo and Ehrhoff that can rifle shots on the PPTorres, Lapierre & Glass as your 4th line grindersKesler, Maholtra, Lapierre winning you faceoffs night in, night outBalanced scoring (like almost every forward gets 10 goals each) on each lineBest goalie tandem of Luongo and Schneider It was like the best mixture of scoring talents and grid combined together. Not pure luck.Boston on the other hand, IS lucky, because Tim Thomas played lights out for them. Montreal ALMOST knocked them out 1st round.Kind of an odd reason to say Boston was lucky when we also were nearly eliminated in Round 1... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted October 30, 2015 Share Posted October 30, 2015 You all seem to have some memory loss. I see everyone complaining everywhere about how the young guys are being under used. Does nobody remember how Horvat was introduced to the league? He was used VERY sparingly at the beginning of last season, even up until the 3/4 mark. It was prob thanks to this that he was so effective in the second half, and that his confidence was so high in the playoffs. Believe it or not WD knows more about hockey, and about rookie development than all you hacks. He is developing his young players properly. Slowly, as to limit their mistakes. These kids are not used to playing this many games in such a short span of time. They need to be introduced slowly or they'll have no gas left by late December. Don't forget these:Lack>MillerHodgson the next Neelywhining about letting Malhotra walk etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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