Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 To Vancouver: Dylan McIlrathTo NYR: Vancouver's 2016 3rd round pick, Yannick Weber From NYR's perspective: Since being drafted in 2010 (yes, the same year GMMG had no picks in the first three round and took Pat McNally as his first pick), the now waiver-eligible McIlrath has played in only 4 NHL games. He's gotten a total of 12 min TOI under Vigneault this year, because one game about two weeks ago AV wanted to send 39-year-old veteran Dan Boyle a message (oh brother). So, they do some good asset management and get a future for a guy who ain't gonna crack their line-up. Plus, outside of Yandle & Staal, NYR has had pretty much zero offense from their D (probably the point of scratching Boyle), so Weber actually fills their short-term needs better than McIllrath.Plus, the Rags have Skjei and Ryan Graves on the farm, and college FA of two years ago Bodie who looks poised to make the team after a decent pro year last year. From Vancouver's perspective: Having two smaller, soft players in Bartkowski & Weber in the lineup when there's an injury didn't look very good when Edler took a sick day. McIllrath has been developing as a decent 2-way defenseman in Hartford, putting up two 17 point seasons under assistant coach Jeff Beukeboom's tutelage. A right-sided, 6'5, 220 pound defenseman is exactly what the Canucks could use as depth as Sbisa is basically the only defenseman actually using his size (okay, Edler is sometimes). Canucks take a mid-pick risk for a former top-10 pick who could become a bottom-pairing guy if given some games and bring some energy like Prust and Cracknell do up front, when he is dressed.Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 I actually wanted McIlrath back in the draft. Glad times have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Dylan's story reminds me of Luke Schenn's-- mean top pick with limited offense ability, who struggles to pan out.At this point I'd only trade him for a low-value combination of pick/ prospect (similar to what we paid for Pedan).He does bring value as a lower-end physical player but we easily overpay if Weber's also included in the trade.How is his skating anyways? If he can't skate then I wouldn't want him as he'd get burned by speedy guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jägermeister Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Would be all over this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Why include Weber? At least Weber is a serviceable NHL defenseman. I would go in with an offer of a 5th-6th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Dylan's story reminds me of Luke Schenn's-- mean top pick with limited offense ability, who struggles to pan out.At this point I'd only trade him for a low-value combination of pick/ prospect (similar to what we paid for Pedan).He does bring value as a lower-end physical player but we easily overpay if Weber's also included in the trade.How is his skating anyways? If he can't skate then I wouldn't want him as he'd get burned by speedy guys. Jeff Beukeboom said that Dylan McIlrath has improved his skating and balance “dramatically.”Beukeboom said, “we had a great skating coach here and we came up with a game plan and did stuff with his skates that I did as far as balance and not only that, Dylan has worked really hard and consistently working on his skill set and everything, his skating and it’s the first season that he stayed healthy. It all came together at the right time for him.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Why include Weber? At least Weber is a serviceable NHL defenseman. I would go in with an offer of a 5th-6th rounder. Roster space/needs and cap space for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Roster space/needs and cap space for both teams. I'll keep Weber and not do the trade if that's the case. Seems like you are making a deal for the sake of addressing an imaginary shortfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 I'll keep Weber and not do the trade if that's the case. Seems like you are making a deal for the sake of addressing an imaginary shortfall.I don't think it's an imaginary shortfall, but I guess you're disagreeing? The Canucks lack a physical, crease-clearing defenseman and don't have much physicality from the back-end outside of Sbisa. When Edler was hurt, and a D will eventually get hurt, Weber was inserted and having both him and Bartkowski in the line-up made the Canucks extremely weak in the back-end and led to a loss. Plus, they have a shortage of right-handed, right-sided young defensemen. When Weber is scratched Edler, Hammer, Bartkowski, Sbisa and Hutton all seem to play better on the left side aside from maybe Bartkowski who has a similar breakout regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I don't think it's an imaginary shortfall, but I guess you're disagreeing? The Canucks lack a physical, crease-clearing defenseman and don't have much physicality from the back-end outside of Sbisa. When Edler was hurt, and a D will eventually get hurt, Weber was inserted and having both him and Bartkowski in the line-up made the Canucks extremely weak in the back-end and led to a loss. Plus, they have a shortage of right-handed, right-sided young defensemen. When Weber is scratched Edler, Hammer, Bartkowski, Sbisa and Hutton all seem to play better on the left side aside from maybe Bartkowski who has a similar breakout regardless. I'm not into giving up assets who can actually play in the NHL, plus a draft pick, for a project player. I appreciate your idea that they need to get tougher on the back end but I don't agree that overpaying for a scrub like McIlrath is the way to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 I'm not into giving up assets who can actually play in the NHL, plus a draft pick, for a project player. I appreciate your idea that they need to get tougher on the back end but I don't agree that overpaying for a scrub like McIlrath is the way to do it.Fair enough, though IMO Weber and McIl are both currently 7th defensemen who play different roles. One a PP specialist and one a bottom-pairing energy defenseman, and I think the gamble is worth it for the Canucks. You don't, that's cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted October 27, 2015 Share Posted October 27, 2015 I would definitely like to see some muscle on the back end. They could use somebody to clear the front of the net. Sbisa tries but he's not big enough. I think that Benning has Pedan in mind for this role.As it turns out, Benning seems to value mobility and puck moving on the back end. What he has this year does look better than last. Tryamkin is a good skater by all accounts as well. How does McIlrath skate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted October 27, 2015 Author Share Posted October 27, 2015 I would definitely like to see some muscle on the back end. They could use somebody to clear the front of the net. Sbisa tries but he's not big enough. I think that Benning has Pedan in mind for this role.As it turns out, Benning seems to value mobility and puck moving on the back end. What he has this year does look better than last. Tryamkin is a good skater by all accounts as well. How does McIlrath skate?Honestly, in the 1 game NYR it was hard to tell...he played sheltered minutes but looked able to keep up with the pace of the game. In the AHL, Beukeboom has said his skating has improved dramatically...I know it wasn't the best when he was drafted, but that was 5 years ago now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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