Greenland is Melting Away - Sea Levels could rise 20ft after full melting - If it happens

[Hugor Hill]

 Nah, you are just as stubborn as I am when it comes to what you believe. 

But seriously, if we burn 96,000,000 bbls of oil a day, and the world is already heating up. What would it take to reverse that trend? Maintaining that trend is clearly not good enough, so what would it be?

If Canada didn't burn a single once of oil you could subtract -2.5m, USA -19m, UK -1.4m, Netherlands -1M the Nordic countries -1M, you got -24.9M Bbls. = 71,000,000 bbls/ day. 

The last time the world burned 71M bbls of oil was only in 1996!!! In only 20 years we have increased our oil consumption by the amount of all of what North America uses in 1 day. 

Now, can you see the problem? 

We are sooooo f$&@"d it's incomprehensible.

there is NO technology in existence that could both buck that trend and get us back to even 1996 oil consumption. And I'm pretty sure global warming was a problem in 1996 as well. 

I hate to be pessimistic bro, but sooner or later your just going to have to except it, and enjoy the ride. 

But according to your friend Canadian Loonie there is no upward trend! One of you is wrong.

 

 

[X-PatLostInEdm]

 

If you really want to make a difference lock yourself in your basement and create a deadly airborne virus. Put it in a windex bottle and spray people in the face with it at the Vancouver airport. Hopefully it spreads like wildfire and eliminates 50-70% of the worlds population. This would significantly lower carbon emissions. 

 We can then rebuild society over the next 1,000 years using a greener based energy source and live in perfect harmony with the rabbits and squirrels. 

Would that be the '12 monkeys' solution?

Paging Dr. Peters...

[LaBamba]

But according to your friend Canadian Loonie there is no upward trend! One of you is wrong.

 

 

let's say we aren't disturbing the worlds temperature, it still doesn't disguise the fact that this planet is morbidly dependent on fossil fuels that the trend is irreversible with government implemented "green" policies. 

Then you have the whole conspiracy factor, does the world really operate how it appears on the surface? Or are there people behind the scenes. I mean, we can perform brain surgery with robots but we can't go from point A to point B without fossil fuels affordably.   

[CanadianLoonie]

But according to your friend Canadian Loonie there is no upward trend! One of you is wrong.

You are.

I did not say there was no uptrend...I said "there isn't much of" one.

And can you differentiate between and quantify how much is from glacial melt and groundwater brought up to surface? 

[Heretic]

Boom!

Updated NASA Data: Global Warming Not Causing Any Polar Ice Retreat

 

 

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Updated data from NASA satellite instruments reveal the Earth’s polar ice caps have not receded at all since the satellite instruments began measuring the ice caps in 1979. Since the end of 2012, moreover, total polar ice extent has largely remained above the post-1979 average. The updated data contradict one of the most frequently asserted global warming claims – that global warming is causing the polar ice caps to recede.

The timing of the 1979 NASA satellite instrument launch could not have been better for global warming alarmists. The late 1970s marked the end of a 30-year cooling trend. As a result, the polar ice caps were quite likely more extensive than they had been since at least the 1920s. Nevertheless, this abnormally extensive 1979 polar ice extent would appear to be the “normal” baseline when comparing post-1979 polar ice extent.

Updated NASA satellite data show the polar ice caps remained at approximately their 1979 extent until the middle of the last decade. Beginning in 2005, however, polar ice modestly receded for several years. By 2012, polar sea ice had receded by approximately 10 percent from 1979 measurements. (Total polar ice area – factoring in both sea and land ice – had receded by much less than 10 percent, but alarmists focused on the sea ice loss as “proof” of a global warming crisis.)

NASA satellite measurements show the polar ice caps have not retreated at all.

 

A 10-percent decline in polar sea ice is not very remarkable, especially considering the 1979 baseline was abnormally high anyway. Regardless, global warming activists and a compliant news media frequently and vociferously claimed the modest polar ice cap retreat was a sign of impending catastrophe.Al Gore even predicted the Arctic ice cap could completely disappear by 2014.

In late 2012, however, polar ice dramatically rebounded and quickly surpassed the post-1979 average. Ever since, the polar ice caps have been at a greater average extent than the post-1979 mean.

Now, in May 2015, the updated NASA data show polar sea ice is approximately 5 percent above the post-1979 average.

 

More here:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/05/19/updated-nasa-data-polar-ice-not-receding-after-all/

[TOMapleLaughs]

That's nice, but the problem with using polar sea ice measurements is that they're irrelevant to ocean level rise.  Sea ice is already in the ocean.  What matters is the melting of the masses of land-based ice on the surface of Antarctica and Greenland, this is why researchers are gathered in these areas.

But if arctic ice were truly the same as always, then why are countries and commercial cruises gathering to take advantage of opened-up shipping routes?  This is monitored daily to keep track of the seasonal melt, and whether a northwest passage is open.

In the past 10 years, smaller boats have been able to get through regularly, but it will be a few more years before a reliable shipping route for larger boats appears.  But like predicting the weather, predicting the extent of the ice sheet has been less than accurate.  All we know is that it's gradually getting easier to go through the northwest passage.

It's no longer a debate about whether global warming is happening, whether it's human-caused, etc.  It's more about the rate at which it affects things like sea level rise, ice sheets, etc.  

This is an example...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/09/10/why-the-northwest-passage-probably-wont-be-ready-for-shipping-any-time-soon/ 

[Heretic]

That's nice, but the problem with using polar sea ice measurements is that they're irrelevant to ocean level rise.  Sea ice is already in the ocean.  What matters is the melting of the masses of land-based ice on the surface of Antarctica and Greenland, this is why researchers are gathered in these areas.

But if arctic ice were truly the same as always, then why are countries and commercial cruises gathering to take advantage of opened-up shipping routes?  This is monitored daily to keep track of the seasonal melt, and whether a northwest passage is open.

In the past 10 years, smaller boats have been able to get through regularly, but it will be a few more years before a reliable shipping route for larger boats appears.  But like predicting the weather, predicting the extent of the ice sheet has been less than accurate.  All we know is that it's gradually getting easier to go through the northwest passage.

It's no longer a debate about whether global warming is happening, whether it's human-caused, etc.  It's more about the rate at which it affects things like sea level rise, ice sheets, etc.  

This is an example...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/09/10/why-the-northwest-passage-probably-wont-be-ready-for-shipping-any-time-soon/ 

Did you read page 2?

"The Earth has warmed modestly since the Little Ice Age ended a little over 100 years ago, and the Earth will likely continue to warm modestly as a result of natural and human factors. As a result, at some point in time, NASA satellite instruments should begin to report a modest retreat of polar ice caps. The modest retreat – like that which happened briefly from 2005 through 2012 – would not be proof or evidence of a global warming crisis. Such a retreat would merely illustrate that global temperatures are continuing their gradual recovery from the Little Ice Age. Such a recovery – despite alarmist claims to the contrary – would not be uniformly or even on balance detrimental to human health and welfare. Instead, an avalanche of scientific evidence indicates recently warming temperatures have significantly improved human health and welfare, just as warming temperatures have always done. "

 

 

[TOMapleLaughs]

Did you read page 2?

"The Earth has warmed modestly since the Little Ice Age ended a little over 100 years ago, and the Earth will likely continue to warm modestly as a result of natural and human factors. As a result, at some point in time, NASA satellite instruments should begin to report a modest retreat of polar ice caps. The modest retreat – like that which happened briefly from 2005 through 2012 – would not be proof or evidence of a global warming crisis. Such a retreat would merely illustrate that global temperatures are continuing their gradual recovery from the Little Ice Age. Such a recovery – despite alarmist claims to the contrary – would not be uniformly or even on balance detrimental to human health and welfare. Instead, an avalanche of scientific evidence indicates recently warming temperatures have significantly improved human health and welfare, just as warming temperatures have always done. "

 

 

"The Little Ice Age" sounds like an upcoming pixar movie.  lol