The 3 "bad" trades...

[BlackRedYellow]

Hey guys...

During the summer these pages on CDC were crowded by members shouting out how bad JB did regarding especially three trades;

Sutter for Bones

Miller instead of Lack

Prust for Kass

 

So ok, so far these trades seems to be game winners for JB!

Sutter has 7 points in 9 games, and playing a solid game (even filling in pretty good with the Sedins) while Bones has 1 point in 8 games. Anyone still claiming that Bones are as good as Sutter for us!?

Miller is giving us Miller Time in almost every game, a solid .930 SV% individual stat, but most importantly, gives us a chance to win all the games we're playing. Meanwhile, Lack is no 2 in Carolina, posting a dreadful .833 SV% and 4.77 GAA and no wins in just two games. Should we have shipped Miller and kept Lack!?

Prust is giving us fighting spirit, protection for the young guns and also playing very solid. (Bonus: 5 points in 9  games!!) But where's Kass!? Oh, still no games played. I guess we should have kept Kass, eh? 

 

Still it's early in the season, and these stats may change. But for now, I'd say that JB knows better than us! (I was one of the guys not being that happy about the Lack and Kass trades.)

Or what's your take on these trades right now?

PS And oh, I'm not sure Canucks Talk is the right forum, but since I've seen tons of similar topics last year in the exactly same spot, I'm guessing it's correct. Cause they never got moved. But please, feel free to move it if I'm out of order here ;-)

 

[Tom Sestito]

i've always said we got the better player in the sutter/bones trade, but it's the expense it took to get him - that contract is risky b/c of the term

2 games for lack doesn't mean anything, miller is playing completely opposite than he did last season. this miller is worth 6m p/y.

prust is weird. i feel as if he lost 40 pounds and 10 years on opening night, and magically became useful.

[JV77]

I still maintain my stance on the Kassian deal.  Not a fan.  Regardless of what situation Kassian is now, he still is the better player and has youth and potential.

[luckylager]

I really only remember people complaining about losing Clendening, and yes, the Kassian trade. I'd given up on Kassian a while ago right around the time Benning said "we see him as a good player for us in the future".. (Last Jan town hall) . But no one except people who knew, knew Kassian was a coke head.

But hells ya, you make a good point, JB's doing a fine job in the short time he's had. Eff ya for JB, keep it up.

 

Edit- actually, I take it all back. Thanks, captain obvious.

[Jam126]

I've always thought Sutter was a solid player. The Lack trade... We could've gotten more out of it IMO.

[apollo]

I admit... I was anti sutter trade for many reasons I mentioned. Cap being a huge part of it and losing Forsling (yes I know clendening but overall). Gladly wrong. JB got me there... Regardless of how happy I am with sutter, at the time he overpaid. Sometimes you gotta overpay to get your man. Kudos JB. 

 

Major kudos on keeping Miller. It was a no brainer and I'm glad he made the correct decision. Hope lack can rebound from his bad start as well 

 

The kassian trade... Fans didn't know about stage one. Therefor many of us valued kass higher. Prust has been a great addition.  

 

All in all, bravo Jim, bravo. You inherited a treasure and have made some great alterations to it. 

[GiveEmTheCan]

i would be careful to generalize here. I think a lot of us, myself included, loved the Sutter deal. That was actually the deal that started to turn my opinion on management. The fact that Benning was willing to admit that Bonino wasn't the player he had hoped for, and addressed the issue early enough to get real value back for him, showed a lot more savvy than I gave him credit for initially.

I had no opinion on Miller vs Lack, except to say that anything that avoided another protracted controversy was ultimately a good thing.

Still hate Prust for Kassian. Love Prust, I just don't think you give up on youth to bring him in. The fifth still baffles me.

 

[oldnews]

My favorite is:

Kesler, 5th, pick swap

for 

Sutter, Sbisa, McCann

 

[Eddie Ikea Lack]

I was on an "Anyone but Bonino" campaign half way through last year so was happy to hear the Sutter trade.  Sutter's contract is concerning though.

Lack traded.  I won't comment on that.  My username should say it all.

My issues are with trading away 2 second rounders for Vey and Baertschi.  High draft picks are really important.  Stop trading them for mediocre players.

[theminister]

My favorite is:

Kesler, 5th, pick swap

for 

Sutter, Sbisa, McCann

 

Was just going to say this. 

[Positive Canuck]

#Inbenningwetrust been saying it since day 1.

 

[Spotted Zebra]

Eddie told Carolina reporters he wasn't happy about getting yanked after 4 playoff games.

Didnt miss him when the trade happened, less so now

[The Bookie]

prust is weird. i feel as if he lost 40 pounds and 10 years on opening night, and magically became useful.

I don't think it got much press, but he apparently had ankle surgery in the off-season (no idea if that's the same ankle he hurt tonight) so that's why he looked so slow at the start.

Still hate Prust for Kassian. Love Prust, I just don't think you give up on youth to bring him in. The fifth still baffles me.

 

You still don't get that trade? We basically traded the fifth for Prust, and narrowly dodged a bullet while doing it. I doubt Kass will ever play a reg season game in a Habs jersey. Montreal is dead serious when it comes to their players' rep around town.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised - IF he clears the program, and IF there's another team willing to try a reclamation project - to see him immediately traded for another fifth.

Florida might be a decent option. Get him out of the spotlight, let Jags teach him some professionalism.

[Mathew Barzal]

I don't mind the last two, and I can see the reasoning behind them.

I am not a fan of Sutter at all. I think he's redundant, and I think his offensive potential is overrated. He is a grittier (that's not saying much) version of Matthias. Defensively responsible and will chip in a goal here and there off the rush. 

When he inevitably bottoms out and Bonino blossoms in the third line role I won't bother saying I told you so because it was the exact same situation last year when people were trying to validate Bonino being put into the 2C role as Kesler's replacement. It just doesn't work like that.

He's a decent player on a bogus contract.

[Robongo]

no" campaign half way through last year so was happy to hear the Sutter trade.  Sutter's contract is concerning though.

Lack traded.  I won't comment on that.  My username should say it all.

My issues are with trading away 2 second rounders for Vey and Baertschi.  High draft picks are really important.  Stop trading them for mediocre players.

 

 

• I always said that Bones was the better player overall to Sutter (but I felt Sutter fit this team a lot better). My main beef with the Sutter trade was the quick dismissal of Clendening (whom they claimed was a bonafied top 4 prospect) for Forsling. Sutter looks like a fantastic complimentary player as oppose to the foundational guy that management thought that they would be getting. In terms of overall production , he has far from disappointed but, when it comes to production as a second line C(especially at 5 on 5) it's exactly as predicted by anyone with common sense. He's an offensive black hole. Five on five he has not gelled at all with any unit and he has proven time and time again that he is not able to carry the puck up the ice to create a play or to do anything positive in the offensive zone when it comes to creating a play.

 

• As for Miller over Lack, I will give them this one. However, people need to be cognizant of usage. I was critical of this move but the play of Thatcher in college has changed my mind as he is looking like one of the better goaltending prospects in all of hockey.

 

• Lack is being given an unfair shake in terms of where he is now. The Canes are absolutely brutal and they continually seem to give Cam Ward the benefit of the doubt even when he doesn't deserve it. Lack signed the deal that he did with the advice from his agent on the premise that he was in a terrible situation and had he played out the season with the usage/team he's on he would of more than likely been in line for an absolute abysmal deal. So yes, Miller is looking like the best choice even despite that. Benning does deserve credit for this but IMO sending Lack to the Canes is bordering on committing career suicide for Lack. Regardless, Benning made the right call and after all of the crap everyone gave him he does deserves credit for this move.

 

• As for the Kassian trade. Benning got a lot of unwarranted flack that I'm sure he wanted to address when he was called out. No one other than those in the know could have known what the full extent of Kassian's deal was. So yes Benning was definitely vindicated for this move and rightfully so. Prust has been fantastic on and off the ice and Benning deserves full credit for it, however at face value it was a terrible trade. I bet Benning wished he could defend himself on this one, but obviously he couldn't. The people who nut hang off of every single management move also could not have foreseen what had happened with Kass.

[-SN-]

I still maintain my stance on the Kassian deal.  Not a fan.  Regardless of what situation Kassian is now, he still is the better player and has youth and potential.

Means squat at this point. He's wasted whatever potential he had. 

[MovesLikeDatsyuk]

Prust trade was a freaking steal! 

[The Bookie]

I am not a fan of Sutter at all. I think he's redundant, and I think his offensive potential is overrated. He is a grittier (that's not saying much) version of Matthias. Defensively responsible and will chip in a goal here and there off the rush.

Opposite of redundant to me. He's a combination of the best skills of 3 players we parted ways with last season (Bonino, Matthias, Richardson).

That's how you make room for youth imo.

[Provost]

I don't think a lot of people were against the Sutter trade or saying Sutter wasn't a better player.  The concerns were about value for cap hit.

Bonino didn't cost much.

[Mathew Barzal]

Opposite of redundant to me. He's a combination of the best skills of 3 players we parted ways with last season (Bonino, Matthias, Richardson).

That's how you make room for youth imo.

But our youth isn't 4-5 years away. They're knocking politely right now, next season they'll be kicking in the door. 

I would have rather given Matthias a two year extension than spend such an exorbitant amount on a guy who's career high in points is 33. It's not even like Matthias wanted out. He loved it here, had a career year in fact!