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22 minutes ago, Petey Castiglione said:

 

 

For those who haven't seen it. 

 

 

 

He actually got whistled for an offensive foul on that play.  

 

As far as NBA coming back to Vancouver?  No thanks.  

I was a die-hard Grizzlies fan and NBA permanently tarnished it's reputation for me.  

It wasn't the fact that the expansion rules were stacked against us.  It wasn't the fact that our management constructed a bad team and set a whole bunch of losing records.  It wasn't the fact that NBA players didn't want to play in Vancouver and complained about the most mundane things (no 24 hour stores!).  

 

The part that hurt the most was the fact that the league sold the team to Micheal Heisley who paraded into Vancouver on a white horse and said all the right things and even had the audacity to sing the national anthem before a game.  Then a month or two later him and the league started talking about how ticket sales were low.  Regular season ticket holders were calling up CKNW or whatever the radio station was that carried the Grizzlies games with Don Poier, and telling people that they were never called to ask to renew.  So our new owner actively supressed the ticket numbers and then went ahead and moved the franchise to Memphis.  

 

I enjoy watching NBA here 'n' there, but I have no interest in getting a franchise back in Vancouver.  

 

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6 hours ago, Petey Castiglione said:

 

Also, rumours are NBA will expand to Seattle and Vegas.  Would you guys want the NBA back in Vancouver?  I know I sure would.

 

Of course who tf wouldn’t want that. 
 

Though, Silver did say before the game those Vegas and Seattle rumours are so far false. He’s also said in the past he wises we had a team in Vancouver rn.

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2 hours ago, J-23 said:

Of course who tf wouldn’t want that. 
 

Though, Silver did say before the game those Vegas and Seattle rumours are so far false. He’s also said in the past he wises we had a team in Vancouver rn.

I think it was Shaq or Chuck who said he's hearing Vegas with LeBron part of the ownership group.  Apparently waiting for the current t.v deal to expire. Seattle is a done deal.  Silver does have ties to Vancouver but I don't think we have a billionaire or ownership group willing to put up the finances.  Hello FA?

 

8 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

He actually got whistled for an offensive foul on that play.  

 

As far as NBA coming back to Vancouver?  No thanks.  

I was a die-hard Grizzlies fan and NBA permanently tarnished it's reputation for me.  

It wasn't the fact that the expansion rules were stacked against us.  It wasn't the fact that our management constructed a bad team and set a whole bunch of losing records.  It wasn't the fact that NBA players didn't want to play in Vancouver and complained about the most mundane things (no 24 hour stores!).  

 

The part that hurt the most was the fact that the league sold the team to Micheal Heisley who paraded into Vancouver on a white horse and said all the right things and even had the audacity to sing the national anthem before a game.  Then a month or two later him and the league started talking about how ticket sales were low.  Regular season ticket holders were calling up CKNW or whatever the radio station was that carried the Grizzlies games with Don Poier, and telling people that they were never called to ask to renew.  So our new owner actively supressed the ticket numbers and then went ahead and moved the franchise to Memphis.  

 

I enjoy watching NBA here 'n' there, but I have no interest in getting a franchise back in Vancouver.  

 

I was a kid when the Grizzlies were in town so don't remember the exact details of how they left. I do remember going to the games with my dad.  Going to sporting events wasn't much of a thing for our family and I enjoyed that we had a chance to watch live and make some memories with my dad.

 

Even if you didn't support the team, wouldn't you want to see the talent from other teams come through?  Giannis, Jokic/Murray, KD, Trae Young, Morant, Mitchell, Butler, Curry/Klay/Wiggins, LaMelo, Booker, (just off the top of my head).

 

We also, wouldn't have to cheer for a Toronto team, which I never liked doing.  :P

 

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24 minutes ago, Petey Castiglione said:

I think it was Shaq or Chuck who said he's hearing Vegas with LeBron part of the ownership group.  Apparently waiting for the current t.v deal to expire. Seattle is a done deal.  Silver does have ties to Vancouver but I don't think we have a billionaire or ownership group willing to put up the finances.  Hello FA?

 

I was a kid when the Grizzlies were in town so don't remember the exact details of how they left. I do remember going to the games with my dad.  Going to sporting events wasn't much of a thing for our family and I enjoyed that we had a chance to watch live and make some memories with my dad.

 

Even if you didn't support the team, wouldn't you want to see the talent from other teams come through?  Giannis, Jokic/Murray, KD, Trae Young, Morant, Mitchell, Butler, Curry/Klay/Wiggins, LaMelo, Booker, (just off the top of my head).

 

We also, wouldn't have to cheer for a Toronto team, which I never liked doing.  :P

 

I would find it vomit-inducing to keep seeing those PR ads of "NBA Cares" centered around Vancouver.  I'm sure that after 5 years of the team being here I may come around, but for now I'd rather support a team that's far away.  

 

While we are on the subject, NBA fouls and referring/players have transformed the league into a very hard to watch product.  Constant yelling when going up for a layup, jumping into defenders, phantom calls, it has really made it less fun to watch then I remember it in the 90s/early 2000s. 

It is amazing that centers can now shoot three pointers, however games are less fun to watch for me personally.  

 

In any case, I'm shocked that Boston was able to pull out the W in game 1.  

 

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2 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said:

I would find it vomit-inducing to keep seeing those PR ads of "NBA Cares" centered around Vancouver.  I'm sure that after 5 years of the team being here I may come around, but for now I'd rather support a team that's far away.  

 

While we are on the subject, NBA fouls and referring/players have transformed the league into a very hard to watch product.  Constant yelling when going up for a layup, jumping into defenders, phantom calls, it has really made it less fun to watch then I remember it in the 90s/early 2000s. 

It is amazing that centers can now shoot three pointers, however games are less fun to watch for me personally.  

 

In any case, I'm shocked that Boston was able to pull out the W in game 1.  

 

I hear ya.  I've had/have the same gripes with the NBA.  The league has made strides in making the league more entertaining lately.  14 sec shot clock reset, can no longer jump into the defender to draw the foul and yes 3 pt shooting centres and traditional positions are being blurred now.

 

I do hate all the complaining to refs (NHL too) it just happens a lot more in the NBA because of the high scoring.

 

Anyways, great discussion!  I too am surprised Boston stole game 1.  After watching them play the Heat I had a feeling of they kept it close enough going into the 4th that they had a chance.  Game 2 is going to be awesome! 

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The drop coverage on Curry is truly remarkable. Celts defence has been suffocating but the fact they keep on dropping on those screens…you can’t be making those type of mental mistakes now.

 

Since Curry my guy, I hope they keep it up :ph34r:

 

I still think this series is going to 7

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On 6/6/2022 at 12:32 PM, J-23 said:

The drop coverage on Curry is truly remarkable. Celts defence has been suffocating but the fact they keep on dropping on those screens…you can’t be making those type of mental mistakes now.

 

Since Curry my guy, I hope they keep it up :ph34r:

 

I still think this series is going to 7

You knew GSW would not take the game 1 loss lightly and they certainly did not. 

 

Celtics stole home court advantage and are heading home.  They'll come back with tighter defence on Curry and may be able to use home court to win game 3.  I agree it's going to 7 games and this is going to be a great series!

 

 

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NBA-ABA pension story:

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INDIANAPOLIS — When Sam Smith died in his modest home on the east side of Indianapolis, he died a man who not long before had swallowed his pride and made a phone call to ask for gas money. He died a man who had to make a call to ask for help with funeral expenses for his daughter.

He died a man who was an American Basketball Association player, a pioneer who blazed the trail for what the NBA is today.

But basketball ended for Smith. After winning an ABA championship with the Utah Stars, he got a job as a security supervisor at the Ford assembly plant in Indianapolis. Years passed. Times got harder. More years passed.

As Smith's 50th reunion for his Kentucky Wesleyan NCAA Division II championship approached five years ago, he called the Dropping Dimes Foundation, which helps struggling ABA players and their families.

Smith didn't have the money to get to his reunion, he told Dropping Dimes CEO and founder Scott Tarter. He needed a loan, and insisted it be a loan, for $250. Dropping Dimes gave him the money and told him it was a gift, not a loan.

Smith waited, hoping he wouldn't have to make another call to Dropping Dimes. Hoping for the $2,000 a month pension he said he was owed by the NBA for his five years playing in the ABA, which merged with the NBA in 1976.

Two years later, Smith had to make another call. His daughter had died a single mother, leaving her 5-year-old son with autism for Smith and his wife, Helen, to raise.

 

INDIANAPOLIS — When Sam Smith died in his modest home on the east side of Indianapolis, he died a man who not long before had swallowed his pride and made a phone call to ask for gas money. He died a man who had to make a call to ask for help with funeral expenses for his daughter.

 

He died a man who was an American Basketball Association player, a pioneer who blazed the trail for what the NBA is today.

But basketball ended for Smith. After winning an ABA championship with the Utah Stars, he got a job as a security supervisor at the Ford assembly plant in Indianapolis. Years passed. Times got harder. More years passed.

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As Smith's 50th reunion for his Kentucky Wesleyan NCAA Division II championship approached five years ago, he called the Dropping Dimes Foundation, which helps struggling ABA players and their families.

Smith didn't have the money to get to his reunion, he told Dropping Dimes CEO and founder Scott Tarter. He needed a loan, and insisted it be a loan, for $250. Dropping Dimes gave him the money and told him it was a gift, not a loan.

Smith waited, hoping he wouldn't have to make another call to Dropping Dimes. Hoping for the $2,000 a month pension he said he was owed by the NBA for his five years playing in the ABA, which merged with the NBA in 1976.

Two years later, Smith had to make another call. His daughter had died a single mother, leaving her 5-year-old son with autism for Smith and his wife, Helen, to raise.

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"He called me up in tears," said Tarter. Smith didn't have the money to pay for his daughter's funeral.

Dropping Dimes helped and Smith waited some more, hoping. The pension from the NBA never came.

Weeks before Smith died at the age of 79 on May 18, lying in a hospital bed next to an ABA basketball, a chilling photo was taken. It was a photo Smith wanted people to see. 

"He grabbed my arm and pulled me closer to him," said Tarter, who took the photo. "And he said, 'I would do anything to get the NBA to help these guys."

Maybe the photo would help them. Smith knew it was too late for him.

'It would have been life changing'

These former ABA players are in their late 60s, 70s and 80s. Some are homeless, living under bridges. Some die alone with no money for a gravestone. Others can't even afford dentures or a new suit to go to church.

Smith considered himself lucky compared to his former teammates. At least he had the health insurance from Ford. But $2,000 a month would have been a windfall for the family, said Smith's wife, Helen.

"It would have been life-changing," she said. "Because we were living. We were getting everything paid, but we couldn't do a lot more."  

When the ABA disbanded in 1976, merging with the NBA, four of its 11 teams were absorbed by the NBA — the Pacers, Nuggets, New York Nets and San Antonio Spurs. The players who didn't find a long-term spot in the NBA were left with no pension, salaries shut off and health insurance gone. 

NBA players have had a pension plan since 1965. Any player with at least three years of service in the league is eligible for a monthly payment and access to other benefits, such as life-long healthcare coverage, a college-tuition reimbursement program and more.  

Many of the ABA players never got to the NBA after the merger. Some did, but played only a year or two. Without those three years of service, it doesn't matter how much they contributed to the ABA, they are left without that payout.

Smith is one of those who gave his all for a league and ended up with nothing.

"I am so mad at the NBA," said Tarter. "Here is a guy who should have been enjoying a pension and instead ... another one is gone."

In February 2021, after the IndyStar published a story revealing a majority of the ABA players who are struggling are Black, the NBA responded.

"We are in discussions with the Dropping Dimes Foundation on this issue," NBA spokesman Tim Frank said at the time. Frank confirmed Wednesday that those discussions continue.

The amount of money it would take for the NBA to fund what Dropping Dimes is asking for in ABA pensions, $400 a month for each season of play, is at most $35 million, Tarter said. That amounts to one third of what the NBA donates to charity each year from the player fines the league takes in, he said.

There are 138 ABA players still alive who Dropping Dimes says should be getting pensions.  

Michael Husain, a producer and director with Good Vibes Media, is working on a documentary "The Waiting Game," chronicling the struggles of former ABA players and their fight for pensions.  

Many players have told him, Husain said, "I don't want to believe it, but in some ways, it feels like they are just waiting for us to pass."

'It was hard for him to ask for help'

Life was going to be amazing for Smith, a 6-7 forward born in Hazard, Kentucky. He played football and basketball for Hazard High and was a Kentucky State basketball All-Star in 1962.

He became the first Black player to start for the University of Louisville and after transferring to Kentucky Wesleyan, he won a national title in 1966.

In the final 15 seconds of the game, the score tied 51-51, Smith made the game-winning basket for the national championship. Smith received two All-American selections during his college career and was named the All-NCAA South Region Most Outstanding Player two times. He was a member of the NCAA championship All-Tournament Team in 1967.

Later that year, he was drafted by the Cincinnati Royals with the 28th pick of the 1967 NBA draft, but chose to go with the other pro basketball league, the ABA. 

He signed to play with the Minnesota Muskies. In his pro debut, he scored 24 points and grabbed 14 rebounds against the Kentucky Colonels. From 1967 to 1971, Smith played in the ABA with the Muskies, Kentucky Colonels and Utah Stars. He won a championship with the Stars in 1971.

But the next season, on a road trip with the Stars, Smith suffered an anxiety attack. Doctors at first thought it was a heart attack, said Helen. He decided to quit basketball.

It was sad for Smith, who had dreamed of a long career in pro basketball, but he took it in stride. He went to work the night shift at Ford and cared for his family, including Helen, son Sammy and daughter Felicia.

"He was a really humble and amazing guy," said Tarter. "And it was really hard for him to ask for help."

Smith hated asking for help. And until his dying day, he told anyone who would listen that the NBA should step up.

'This isn't a gift. He earned it.'

Quiet by nature, Smith wasn't quiet about what he thought he deserved from the NBA. He would often meet Tarter at Steak N Shake for happy hour (half price milkshakes) and discuss what could be done to help struggling ABA players.

Even as his life was ending, Smith was all-in on doing anything he could. That's why he wanted that photo on his hospital bed weeks before his death to mean something. 

Smith had been healthy, for the most part. Twenty years ago, he had stents put in his heart, but he was living just fine with that, said Helen.

On March 31, he fell after being sedated at a dentist appointment and broke his femur. After surgery and complications, Smith was sent to a nursing home.  

His potassium levels dropped and he was sent back to the hospital. While there, doctors told Helen that Smith had suffered a stroke.  

On May 16, Smith was sent home on hospice 

"I knew then they had just given up on him," said Helen. "I haven't processed his death because I have no reason for it."

The death certificate says Smith died of congestive heart failure. Helen and Smith's son, Sammy, were by his side when he died the night of May 18.

All Helen could think was what a great loss this was, how she felt about the man she met him in the early 1960s.

"My thing was what's not to like?" she said. "He was a gentleman. He was just sweet. He was quiet, kind of shy, but he was also uncompromising. He said exactly what he meant and meant what he said."

Even as he waited for his pension, and was outspoken about what he believed ABA players deserved, Smith would watch the NBA. He died during  the conference finals.

"It broke my heart seeing what a big fan he was of the NBA and the players," Tarter said. "He held no grudges and held nothing against them."

But to watch the advertising, the promotions, the global television rights and to see Smith wasting away, Tarter said, was heartbreaking.

"He died without any recognition, without any respect, without any pension," he said.

That $2,000 a month for Smith "would have made a tremendous impact on his family," said Husain. "This is money he earned. It isn't a gift. He earned it."

 

Photo from different site- as this story seems to have dropped picture,while I typed.

 

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As hard as it is for me to cheer for a team with Draymond on it, I love watching Wiggins having such a great finals....

 

Even the Playoff MVP seems like a possibility.....

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2 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

As hard as it is for me to cheer for a team with Draymond on it, I love watching Wiggins having such a great finals....

 

Even the Playoff MVP seems like a possibility.....

Wiggins is not winning FMVP lol. But I am really happy for him. After all the $&!# he’s taken over the years, you have to be happy for him. Playing a key role in the finals.

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0 for 2 this year.

 

My favorite NHL team didn't make the playoffs (the Canucks).

 

My favorite NBA team lost inthte finals (the Celtics). This being said, I kinda' like Golden State, so it wasn't a complete loss.

 

Waiting to hear how the Giants and the Cowboys do this year....

 

                                                    regards,  G.

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