Jiggs50 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 20 minutes ago, Watermelon said: I've respecting his game until he left Cleveland; after that all he does is build teams, flop and whine. Also he won't leave the East because that's the only way he can make the finals(check the stats, Cavs are 16-13 against the West) I believe Raps can win, we'll see though. He barely tries during the year anymore. He's waiting for the playoffs. The weak east thing is a joke. Bron teams are till beating those teams in the finals. Btw players run away from the east. Well known around the league that KD didn't wanna go to his hometown (Wash) cause he was scared of Bron in the East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 19 minutes ago, Jiggs50 said: He barely tries during the year anymore. He's waiting for the playoffs. The weak east thing is a joke. Bron teams are till beating those teams in the finals. Btw players run away from the east. Well known around the league that KD didn't wanna go to his hometown (Wash) cause he was scared of Bron in the East. The east has been very weak for most of Lebrons career. Even now when its more competitive than in recent years, the 3rd seed in the west would be 1st in the East. Also, KD's a bi*ch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numb3r 16 Posted March 24, 2017 Share Posted March 24, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Watermelon said: The east has been very weak for most of Lebrons career. Even now when its more competitive than in recent years, the 3rd seed in the west would be 1st in the East. Also, KD's a bi*ch 2 yep praying GS chokes in the first round whle OKC wins their 1st rnd matchup Edited March 24, 2017 by numb3r 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmen81 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 Holy Devin Booker went bonkers. 70 points. Youngest player ever to score at least 60. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 On 2017-03-23 at 10:07 PM, Watermelon said: I've respecting his game until he left Cleveland; after that all he does is build teams, flop and whine. Also he won't leave the East because that's the only way he can make the finals(check the stats, Cavs are 16-13 against the West) I believe Raps can win, we'll see though. Yup, all he does is build super teams. Now that the Cavs added Williams and Korver on there bench it will be even tougher for Raps to beat the Cavs. It will be tough, but I also think Raps can get the job done if Lowry and Derozan go off and Ibaka can play his lock down defence. His name got around in this league for blocking shots and being an excellent defender and that is exactly what Raps need from him in the Playoffs. The Raps and Boston are the only teams I can see beating the Cavs in the East. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 12 minutes ago, J-23 said: Yup, all he does is build super teams. Now that the Cavs added Williams and Korver on there bench it will be even tougher for Raps to beat the Cavs. It will be tough, but I also think Raps can get the job done if Lowry and Derozan go off and Ibaka can play his lock down defence. His name got around in this league for blocking shots and being an excellent defender and that is exactly what Raps need from him in the Playoffs. The Raps and Boston are the only teams I can see beating the Cavs in the East. It's funny isn't it; the supposed "GOAT" has never won unless he had 2 other all stars with him and they all were all stars before Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe made Pau an all star for the first time after he came to the Lakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 5 hours ago, gmen81 said: Holy Devin Booker went bonkers. 70 points. Youngest player ever to score at least 60. 20 years young. Celtics salty af. Isiah Thomas and Crowder throwing major shade. Saying they never seen a team so happy after taking an "L". Thomas insinuating they fed Booker to pad his stats when they were out of the game. Like duh? He was hot and cooking with gas so you keep feeding him because he was EATING. Put a double team on him you could stop him so stfu. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, Watermelon said: It's funny isn't it; the supposed "GOAT" has never won unless he had 2 other all stars with him and they all were all stars before Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe made Pau an all star for the first time after he came to the Lakers. Kobe also had Shaq.Horry, Fisher,Rice. It takes a team to win and multiple stars. Jordan had Rodman, Pippen,Kerr etc. Duncan had Parker Ginobili Robinson ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 35 minutes ago, Watermelon said: It's funny isn't it; the supposed "GOAT" has never won unless he had 2 other all stars with him and they all were all stars before Lebron. On the other hand, Kobe made Pau an all star for the first time after he came to the Lakers. Kobe was a great player but come on now. He never had the pressure James ever had. Kobe was gifted 3 championships by Shaq. Also had Phil Jackson (top 3 greatest coach ever) and his triangle offense. Btw Pau was an allstar with Memphis before he came to the Lakers. Nice try with that fake bs though... Kobe shot 6/24 in a game 7 nba finals, and still won. Lebron averaged 36/13/9 in a finals and lost. LBJ has had the tougher finals opponents and in general much more pressure. He gets compared to Jordan for a reason. Stop hating on something you don't understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 32 minutes ago, Chip Kelly said: 20 years young. Celtics salty af. Isiah Thomas and Crowder throwing major shade. Saying they never seen a team so happy after taking an "L". Thomas insinuating they fed Booker to pad his stats when they were out of the game. Like duh? He was hot and cooking with gas so you keep feeding him because he was EATING. Put a double team on him you could stop him so stfu. They salty af lmao. He lit up a top 4 defense for 70. That's insane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Chip Kelly said: Kobe also had Shaq.Horry, Fisher,Rice. It takes a team to win and multiple stars. Jordan had Rodman, Pippen,Kerr etc. Duncan had Parker Ginobili Robinson ... Are you telling me those players(not shaq) played comparably to Kyrie, Love, Bosh and Wade? I'm in no way saying they're bad players but Lebrons teamates are quite a few teir ahead of them. Now to Shaq, Kobe didn't recruit him playing GM and switching teams just to win a ship. I'll link their stats for you to check out. You will see that they were not all that great as Lakers http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/ricegl01.html http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fishede01.html http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horryro01.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jiggs50 said: Kobe was a great player but come on now. He never had the pressure James ever had. Kobe was gifted 3 championships by Shaq. Also had Phil Jackson (top 3 greatest coach ever) and his triangle offense. Btw Pau was an allstar with Memphis before he came to the Lakers. Nice try with that fake bs though... Kobe shot 6/24 in a game 7 nba finals, and still won. Lebron averaged 36/13/9 in a finals and lost. LBJ has had the tougher finals opponents and in general much more pressure. He gets compared to Jordan for a reason. Stop hating on something you don't understand. My bad on the Pau thing, I heard about it and didn't think to check it over. You're spewing some bs here too though. Kobe was not "gifted" at all. He was a 1b(Admit Shaq had a better play for the first ring but Kobe was young) option. He averaged 21,26 and 29. That's not being gifted dude. Also about Lebrons 2105 finals that is so inflated its not even funny bruh. Dude took 32.6 shots per game along with 11 fta to get those 35. He shot 69 from the stripe, 31 from the 3 and not even 40 from the field(%). I don't blame him because his team was injured but you can't pump him up like without showing how bad he shot. Its nice you show one game from his playoff run but don't seem to care that over a 5 year span Kobe did not average under 28 pgg including 3 finals appearances. Oh and talking about competition how come Lebron couldn't beat that same Magic that Kobe did? In fact, Lebron lost in 6 while kobe won in 5. Again Lebron played extremely well but don't say the competition was different. kobe played the young dDuncan and his Spurs, the pistons, 76's(easy win have to admit), the nets(went to back to back finals) and the near dynasty Celtics( won 1/2) while Lebron lost to the Mavs with his studed lineup Heres one more stat about competition(I dont think this includes last year so add 2 or 3 to Lebron. Edited March 25, 2017 by Watermelon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagra Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Jiggs50 said: Kobe was a great player but come on now. He never had the pressure James ever had. Kobe was gifted 3 championships by Shaq. Also had Phil Jackson (top 3 greatest coach ever) and his triangle offense. LBJ has had the tougher finals opponents and in general much more pressure. He gets compared to Jordan for a reason. Stop hating on something you don't understand. The NBA at it's current state, and for years now has only had 3-4 teams that legitimately got a chance at winning the championship. If you think that Lebron has had tougher opponents in the playoffs compared to Kobe or Jordan is absolutely hilarious. And the point of LBJ having more pressure is pretty funny too, Kobe played for the largest market for any sports team in North America, while being the best player on the planet; that's what you call pressure to win. I've been watching the NBA for years, and the people who say Kobe was gifted 3 rings clearly have no idea how basketball works. So by your logic we can say Tim Duncan was gifted his rings because he had good teammates along with having the greatest coach of all time? Jordan needed Scottie, Duncan needed Parker and Ginobli, yes Kobe had Shaq but guess what, the NBA is a team sport, no matter how good you are you are not carrying your team single-handedly to the championship. Even if you're Lebron. And we have seen that he can't carry his team, look at the Cavs roster and you can't tell me that it is all Lebron that is helping the team win. By the way did Lebron hit the dagger against GSW in game 7? Nope. So by your logic Lebron was gifted last years ring by Kyrie. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nagra Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Watermelon said: My bad on the Pau thing, I heard about it and didn't think to check it over. You're spewing some bs here too though. Kobe was not "gifted" at all. He was a 1b(Admit Shaq had a better play for the first ring but Kobe was young) option. He averaged 21,26 and 29. That's not being gifted dude. Also about Lebrons 2105 finals that is so inflated its not even funny bruh. Dude took 32.6 shots per game along with 11 fta to get those 35. He shot 69 from the stripe, 31 from the 3 and not even 40 from the field(%). I don't blame him because his team was injured but you can't pump him up like without showing how bad he shot. Its nice you show one game from his playoff run but don't seem to care that over a 5 year span Kobe did not average under 28 pgg including 3 finals appearances. Oh and talking about competition how come Lebron couldn't beat that same Magic that Kobe did? In fact, Lebron lost in 6 while kobe won in 5. Again Lebron played extremely well but don't say the competition was different. kobe played the young dDuncan and his Spurs, the pistons, 76's(easy win have to admit), the nets(went to back to back finals) and the near dynasty Celtics( won 1/2) while Lebron lost to the Mavs with his studed lineup Heres one more stat about competition(I dont think this includes last year so add 2 or 3 to Lebron. That just proves my point about how funny it is that he thinks Lebron has had easier opponents. Kobe played in one of the most competitive eras in basketball. Anyone who even remotely watches basketball knows for years this has been a league that has had very few teams that have a legitimate chance of winning it all. Also Kobe was 5-2 in the finals while Lebron is 3-4 against worse competition. There's a reason Kobe is praised so much, that killer instinct is what put him on another level, hence the name Black Mamba. To be frank, Lebron doesn't have it, the finals record speaks for itself. Edited March 25, 2017 by Nagra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Watermelon said: My bad on the Pau thing, I heard about it and didn't think to check it over. You're spewing some bs here too though. Kobe was not "gifted" at all. He was a 1b(Admit Shaq had a better play for the first ring but Kobe was young) option. He averaged 21,26 and 29. That's not being gifted dude. Also about Lebrons 2105 finals that is so inflated its not even funny bruh. Dude took 32.6 shots per game along with 11 fta to get those 35. He shot 69 from the stripe, 31 from the 3 and not even 40 from the field(%). I don't blame him because his team was injured but you can't pump him up like without showing how bad he shot. Its nice you show one game from his playoff run but don't seem to care that over a 5 year span Kobe did not average under 28 pgg including 3 finals appearances. Oh and talking about competition how come Lebron couldn't beat that same Magic that Kobe did? In fact, Lebron lost in 6 while kobe won in 5. Again Lebron played extremely well but don't say the competition was different. kobe played the young dDuncan and his Spurs, the pistons, 76's(easy win have to admit), the nets(went to back to back finals) and the near dynasty Celtics( won 1/2) while Lebron lost to the Mavs with his studed lineup Heres one more stat about competition(I dont think this includes last year so add 2 or 3 to Lebron. Maybe gifted was the wrong word. He got lucky. Got a prime Shaq and won championships on his back basically. Even though he averaged decent numbers, Shaq was the reason they won. In 2004 when Kobe grudgingly tried to make the team his, they choked it up and got destroyed by the best finals team they ever faced, the Detroit Pistons in 5 games. I wouldn't call Brons 2015 stats inflated. He had to shoulder the entire load. The other team knew what was gonna happen and he still dominated. Btw 40% aint that bad for only 1 finals. You wanna know Kobe's career finals shooting percentage? 42. Only reason Lebron didn't win in Cleveland his 1st time is cause they gave him zero help. He averaged 38.5/8/8 against Orlando in the conf finals that year. They still lost in 6. How you gonna blame Bron for that!? Lmao. Those stats on the picture are old. This is updated with wins/losses Jordan 20-7 Hakeem 10-9 Shaq 18-9 Kobe 25-10 Duncan 18-10 Lebron 11-6 So by the time Lebrons done, he'll be around Shaq or Jordan range. Kobe beat Pacers, Nets, Philly, Celtics, Magic. Decent list but doesnt compare to beating...Warriors and Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Nagra said: The NBA at it's current state, and for years now has only had 3-4 teams that legitimately got a chance at winning the championship. If you think that Lebron has had tougher opponents in the playoffs compared to Kobe or Jordan is absolutely hilarious. And the point of LBJ having more pressure is pretty funny too, Kobe played for the largest market for any sports team in North America, while being the best player on the planet; that's what you call pressure to win. I've been watching the NBA for years, and the people who say Kobe was gifted 3 rings clearly have no idea how basketball works. So by your logic we can say Tim Duncan was gifted his rings because he had good teammates along with having the greatest coach of all time? Jordan needed Scottie, Duncan needed Parker and Ginobli, yes Kobe had Shaq but guess what, the NBA is a team sport, no matter how good you are you are not carrying your team single-handedly to the championship. Even if you're Lebron. And we have seen that he can't carry his team, look at the Cavs roster and you can't tell me that it is all Lebron that is helping the team win. By the way did Lebron hit the dagger against GSW in game 7? Nope. So by your logic Lebron was gifted last years ring by Kyrie. Yeah I believe Lebrons had tougher finals opponents. I think most ppl would agree with that. Lebron his entire career has been tabbed as the next one. He was expected to be the next Jordan. If that's not the most pressure ever, I don't know what is. Kobe also won 3 chips at such a young age that he played carefree most his life. Aside from his legal issues of course. Gifted was the wrong word but we all know Shaq was the reason they won those championships. See thing is, if Lebron got to the finals against those 76ers, Nets, or the Pacers, he could have won too. LBJ may not have hit the shot, but he did get the block that changed everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 6 hours ago, Nagra said: That just proves my point about how funny it is that he thinks Lebron has had easier opponents. Kobe played in one of the most competitive eras in basketball. Anyone who even remotely watches basketball knows for years this has been a league that has had very few teams that have a legitimate chance of winning it all. Also Kobe was 5-2 in the finals while Lebron is 3-4 against worse competition. There's a reason Kobe is praised so much, that killer instinct is what put him on another level, hence the name Black Mamba. To be frank, Lebron doesn't have it, the finals record speaks for itself. Killer instinct has 2 finals mvps. Lebron has 3 already. Go look up finals stats and see how Mamba stacks up against any all time great. Now I love basketball and watch a sh*tload of it and tbh I hate getting into this Kobe/Lebron debate. But Lebron is clearly the superior player. 6 straight finals speaks for itself. About to be 7. The sheer amount of games played ny LBJ is insane. Dude's a robot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 9 hours ago, Chip Kelly said: Kobe also had Shaq.Horry, Fisher,Rice. It takes a team to win and multiple stars. Jordan had Rodman, Pippen,Kerr etc. Duncan had Parker Ginobili Robinson ... Agreed. 3 seems to be the magic number. I think if OKC had been able to hang on the Harden, they'd have a championship by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Watermelon said: Are you telling me those players(not shaq) played comparably to Kyrie, Love, Bosh and Wade? I'm in no way saying they're bad players but Lebrons teamates are quite a few teir ahead of them. Now to Shaq, Kobe didn't recruit him playing GM and switching teams just to win a ship. I'll link their stats for you to check out. You will see that they were not all that great as Lakers http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/ricegl01.html http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fishede01.html http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/horryro01.html They stepped up in key moments. Kobes last championship in 2010 Metta World Peace hit the shot. Lakers had a better bench than LeBron has ever had. Even though you could say he has better support from Stars. Edited March 25, 2017 by Chip Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted March 25, 2017 Share Posted March 25, 2017 1 hour ago, RUPERTKBD said: Agreed. 3 seems to be the magic number. I think if OKC had been able to hang on the Harden, they'd have a championship by now. They thought Ibaka would be an all star level player so they felt Harden as a bench player and best 6th man in the league would just be another Ginobili and didn't pay him to keep him. Man were they ever wrong Harden and Westbrook with Durant still there could have bested the Spurs and GSW for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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