Russian Plane Crashes in Egypt: 224 Dead

[RUPERTKBD]

A Russian Airliner has crashed in the Sinai region of Egypt, shortly after takeoff:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russian-plane-crash-egypt-1.3298193

A Russian passenger airliner crashed Saturday in a remote mountainous part Egypt's Sinai Peninsula 23 minutes after taking off from a popular Red Sea resort, killing all 224 people on board, including 25 children.

The cause of the crash was not known, but two major European airlines announced they would stop flying over the area for safety reasons after a local affiliate of the extremist Islamic State in Iraq and Syria group claimed it "brought down" the aircraft. Russia's transport minister dismissed that claim as not credible.

Almost everyone on board the Airbus-A321-200 operated by the Moscow-based Metrojet airline was Russian; Ukraine said four of its citizens were passengers. Russian officials did not give a specific breakdown of the 217 passengers' ages and genders, but said 25 were children. There were seven crew members.

Relatives of those who were on board the airliner gathered at Russian airline Kogalymavia's information desk at Pulkovo airport in St. Petersburg. (Dmitry Lovetsky/Associated Press)

A civil aviation ministry statement said the plane's wreckage was found in the Hassana area some 70 kilometres south of the city of el-Arish, in the general area of northern Sinai where Egyptian security forces have for years battled local Islamic militants who in recent months claimed allegiance to ISIS.

The ministry said the plane took off from the resort city of Sharm el-Sheikh shortly before 6 a.m. local time for St. Petersburg in Russia and disappeared from radar screens 23 minutes after takeoff. Egyptian Prime Minister Sherif Ismail toured the crash site and later told a Cairo news conference that 129 bodies had been recovered.

Photos from the site released by his office showed the badly damaged sky blue tail of the aircraft, with the Metrojet logo still visible. In the background, heaps of smouldering debris dotted the barren terrain.

"I now see a tragic scene," an Egyptian security officer at  the site told Reuters by telephone. "A lot of dead on the ground  and many who died whilst strapped to their seats.
 
"The plane split into two, a small part on the tail end that burned and a larger part that crashed into a rockface. We have  extracted at least 100 bodies and the rest are still inside,"  the officer, who requested anonymity, said.

 

Co-pilot complained about plane, wife says

One photo showed a member of the search team holding the flight recorder, or black box, which Ismail said would be scrutinized as investigators try to determine what caused the crash. Russian investigators were expected to arrive in Egypt on Sunday.

Natalya Trukhacheva, identified as the wife of co-pilot Sergei Trukachev, said in an interview with Russian state-controlled NTV that her husband had complained about the plane's condition.

She said a daughter "called him up before he flew out. He complained before the flight that the technical condition of the aircraft left much to be desired."

One Egyptian official, Ayman al-Muqadem of the government's Aviation Incidents Committee, said that before the plane lost contact with air traffic controllers, the pilot had radioed and said the aircraft was experiencing technical problems and that he intended to try and land at the nearest airport.

It was impossible to independently confirm whether technical problems were to blame, and no other Egyptian official repeated the claim on Saturday.

In a statement on its website, Metrojet said the A321-200 aircraft was in good shape and that the pilot was experienced. It identified the captain as Valery Nemov and said he had 12,000 hours of flying experience, including 3,860 in A321s.

Russian Transport Minister Maxim Sokolov said officials from Moscow and Cairo were in touch over the incident. The Egyptian officials, he said, had not confirmed the claim by ISIS militants who said they "brought down a Russian plane over Sinai state with more than 220 Russian crusaders on board." The militant group did not provide any evidence to back up its claim.

Missile damage would be distinctive

"Based on our contacts with the Egyptian side, the information that the airplane was shot down must not be considered reliable," Sokolov said, according to a report by the Interfax news agency.

"We know what it looks like if a plane has been shot down. It won't be shot down at 20,000 or 30,000 feet [about 6,100 to 9,100 metres] by a shoulder-fired surface-to-air missile. But we know as we found in Ukraine with [Flight] MH17 that there are people who have vehicle-carried missiles that could achieve that altitude," former military pilot Jock Williams told CBC News.

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"And if we know that ISIS or ISIL is working out there, they could have imported something," Williams said. "It's not a good likelihood, but a possibility. But we will know very quickly because the wreckage will contain evidence of the impact of a surface-to-air missile. They're very distinctive."

An English-language statement issued by the office of Egyptian President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi spoke of Russian leader Vladimir Putin commending the efforts made by authorities in Egypt "to uncover the circumstances surrounding the incident."

In January 2014, Sinai-based militants claimed to have shot down a military helicopter; Egyptian officials at the time acknowledged the helicopter had crashed, but gave no reason.

• Airlines avoid Sinai airspace in wake of Russian plane crash

But two major European airlines — Germany's Lufthansa and Air France — were not taking any chances. Both announced Saturday they would immediately stop flying over Egypt's Sinai Peninsula for safety reasons until the cause of the crash was determined. Their aircraft would take alternative routes to reach destinations in the region.

Spokeswomen for the airlines spoke anonymously in line with their respective companies' regulations.

Egypt's foreign minister, Sameh Shukri, warned "foreign" countries that he did not identify against taking measures that reflect speculations on the cause of the crash. "That will impact the Egyptian economy and lead to damages. These nations must consider this as well as their relations with Egypt," he said.

'Like having your hand cut off'

Friends and relatives of the crash victims were gathering Saturday at a hotel near St. Petersburg's Pulkovo airport. Psychologists were meeting with them in a large conference room off the lobby and police kept journalists away. Some left the room occasionally, looking drawn with tear-stained faces.

Yulia Zaitseva was one of them. She said her friends, newlyweds Elena Rodina and Alexander Krotov, were on the flight. Both were 33. Zaitseva said Rodina, her friend for 20 years, "really wanted to go to Egypt, though I told her, `Why the hell do you want to go to Egypt?"'

"She was a very good friend who was ready to give everything to other people. To lose such a friend is like having your hand cut off," Zaitseva said, adding that Rodina's parents feel "like their lives are over."

Russian airlines became infamous for poor safety in the early years following the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union, which caused severe financial troubles and regulatory disorder. Although accidents have diminished in recent years, crashes persist, many of them blamed on human error.

According to Russian news agencies, the flight was chartered by the St. Petersburg-based Brisco tour company. The plane was made in 1997 and has since 2012 been operated by Metrojet.

[Diamond NHL]

RIP :(

[Alflives]

A Russian Airliner has crashed in the Sinai region of Egypt, shortly after takeoff:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russian-plane-crash-egypt-1.3298193

bad things happen to good people.  

 

[thema]

 

If you ever compemplate flying on a Russian airliner perhaps you shouldn't watch this movie...

[BanTSN]

RIP.

Isis originally claimed responsibility, but there are questions on if they are lying.  Too early to make conclusions on the reason for the crash.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/01/us-egypt-crash-idUSKCN0SQ1H120151101

 

[Ryan Strome]

 

If you ever compemplate flying on a Russian airliner perhaps you shouldn't watch this movie...

meanwhile Russia is the only Country that flies to the ISS.

I guess American and Canadian astronauts trust them eh?

[Brad Marchand]

meanwhile Russia is the only Country that flies to the ISS.

I guess American and Canadian astronauts trust them eh?

Are you being clever or are you implying that the Russian airline industry and the Russian space program are somehow related? That's like saying NASA is related to the American airline industry.

Russia's aviation regulatory system has had a long history of serious problems even disregarding this accident.

[Alflives]

Are you being clever or are you implying that the Russian airline industry and the Russian space program are somehow related? That's like saying NASA is related to the American airline industry.

Russia's aviation regulatory system has had a long history of serious problems even disregarding this accident.

are we certain it was an accident yet?

[riffraff]

I wouldn't get in a Russian car let alone a plane.

[taxi]

are we certain it was an accident yet?

No one knows for sure what happened. Militant groups are claiming responsibility. However, the plane was flying way too high for these groups to have hit them.

Edit: It looks like there is evidence now pointing towards there being a bomb onboard that exploded while the plane was in mid-air.

[Alflives]

No one knows for sure what happened. Militant groups are claiming responsibility. However, the plane was flying way too high for these groups to have hit them.

unless they have surface to air mobile rockets (ironically Russian made)?  

[taxi]

unless they have surface to air mobile rockets (ironically Russian made)?  

The kind of rockets they would have wouldn't be able to hit a plane at 30,000+ feet. But, as in my edited post above, there is evidence emerging that the plane came to pieces in the air. There's also a supposed cell phone video showing the moment the plane blew up.

 

[Alflives]

The kind of rockets they would have wouldn't be able to hit a plane at 30,000+ feet. But, as in my edited post above, there is evidence emerging that the plane came to pieces in the air. There's also a supposed cell phone video showing the moment the plane blew up.

 

oh God.  I feel sick.  I just don't know what to say.  Very sad for the families.  I don't get why the Americans and Russians cannot work together to stop this?  

[taxi]

oh God.  I feel sick.  I just don't know what to say.  Very sad for the families.  I don't get why the Americans and Russians cannot work together to stop this?  

Easier said than done...Any kind of serious action by the US/Russia is likely to further enrage groups like ISIS. Even if their driven underground, they're still going to have the ability to put a bomb on a plane. There's no easy solution here. You prop up Assad and the militant groups go after your civilians. You do nothing, and they continue to massacre the Syrian civilians.

[Alflives]

Easier said than done...Any kind of serious action by the US/Russia is likely to further enrage groups like ISIS. Even if their driven underground, they're still going to have the ability to put a bomb on a plane. There's no easy solution here. You prop up Assad and the militant groups go after your civilians. You do nothing, and they continue to massacre the Syrian civilians.

I had an older brother, one of those genius types.  He passed away a while ago.  I remember him saying once he never watched or listened to the news.  It was only sports for him.  He said peoples' behaviours sickened him.  I know he understood politics on a level I could never imagine.  

[Robongo]

No one knows for sure what happened. Militant groups are claiming responsibility. However, the plane was flying way too high for these groups to have hit them.

Edit: It looks like there is evidence now pointing towards there being a bomb onboard that exploded while the plane was in mid-air.

John McCain laughs at that notion

https://youtu.be/dx6s4jO9xNY

"no but I might do what we did in Afghanistan many years ago and give those guys the ability to shoot down those planes, that equipment is available (with a big grin on his face I might add)."

 

 

[Heretic]

I wouldn't get in a Russian car let alone a plane.

You mean you never drove a Lada?  (or I guess you have!)

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/lifestyle/2013/04/soviet-era-lada-cars-will-get-you-there-slowly/

 

RIP to those lost in this tragedy.

 

[Scottish⑦Canuck]

I think if this is the responsibility of Isis (or some other militant group), which might not be the case - we'll see - they definitely poked the wrong bear in Russia.

Must be a terrifying way to go.

[Electro Rock]

A terrorist bombing would be a great way to encourage Russia to commit more forces to the region and overstretch itself given that its fighting two proxy wars already.

[taxi]

John McCain laughs at that notion

https://youtu.be/dx6s4jO9xNY

"no but I might do what we did in Afghanistan many years ago and give those guys the ability to shoot down those planes, that equipment is available (with a big grin on his face I might add)."

 

 

A passenger jet flys at 30-40,000 feet. A fighter jet has to pass much closer to the ground to reliably strike a target. This is what McCain is talking about.