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November Road Trip Turning Point

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Hey gameburn, welcome to the forums.  I believe you may be right as we are approaching a quarter of the season.  I'm sure management will assess the performance of each player to determine where they are to be moved.  Last game was important but we must also look at the road trip as a whole to conclude whether the Canucks are successful or not.  So far they have picked up 3 out of a possible 6 points.

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Vrbata and Hamhuis will be moved at the deadline, there's no reason we should resign them as they've been garbage this year and they can fetch us some valuable draft picks

they are garbage but will fetch valuable draft picks... Classic CDC.

As for it being a turning point... What? They are already doing alright

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The win against the Blue Jackets on 10 Nov. was significant -- Markstrom, Hansen, the determination of the Sedins, the play of Hutton -- will the road trip tell us where this team is going? And who can be moved? (Miller, Higgins, Hamhuis?)

ROFL here we go again. Remember in the offseason when half of CDC convinced itself that Miller to San Jose was a done deal because his wife works in California and a veteran goaltender was all they needed to get over the hump?

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My only point in bringing this topic up was the fact that Miller (and Vrb, Higgins, maybe Ham) can't be part of any long-term plan (age, contract, succession of new goalies coming) so do you attempt to move him when he is playing so well.  I thought Markstrom looked confident, seems to have the character you need, and the team seems to want to play for him.  Miller's money could be useful in getting a Dman, also, Miller walks in 18 months, anyway, right, contract over?

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The win against the Blue Jackets on 10 Nov. was significant -- Markstrom, Hansen, the determination of the Sedins, the play of Hutton -- will the road trip tell us where this team is going? And who can be moved? (Miller, Higgins, Hamhuis?)

This seems to be rapidly becoming a Miller thread, which I don't think was gameburn's intention.  The question asked was about what we'd be able to tell from this road trip.

-Canucks aren't presently in a position to trade Miller.  They have two NHL goalies plus Bachman (marginal between NHL and AHL) and aren't about to go with only one.  Even if Markstrom plays and is impressive again on this road trip it isn't a sufficient body of work to be comfortable trading the veteran starter so no-this road trip makes no difference on whether Canucks can trade Miller.

-I don't think Canucks' defensive depth is insufficient to trade a d-man at this stage.  I think that was clear to everyone before the road trip and nothing that happens on it is going to make the depth suddenly sufficient to trade someone in their top 4.  (To those who say we don't have 4 d-men of the calibre of a top 4, I'm not talking about that, merely saying Canucks don't have the depth to trade from their top 4.)

-The place the Canucks seem to have extra bodies is LW, but that was plain before this road trip started.

I don't think this road trip will tell us where the team is going nor who can be moved.   They aren't in either a good enough position that a good road trip would assure them of anything, nor in a bad enough position to be unable to recover from a bad road trip.

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they are garbage but will fetch valuable draft picks... Classic CDC.

As for it being a turning point... What? They are already doing alright

THIS.

This forum gets a little crazy.....you see all these deadline deals for the like of Vrbata and so forth.

First round picks......good prospects coming back.....to rent Vrbata?

 

I am afraid that is we are sellers at the deadline, people are going to be very unhappy with what we get back.

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This team is performing about as well and as bad as people expected them to. I don't expect them to waiver too high or too low from their current production over the course of the season. Our final standings really depend on whether certain teams in the Pacific turn their season around or not.

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I would be happy with a bag of pucks for Vrbata at this point. He's not doing anything this year and has proven he is not a team guy with his comments earlier this year saying he wants set line mates for the year. He looks disinterested unless he's with the Sedins. The Sedins have said over and over agi that they play best with a tenacious forechecker. Burrows has done a great job for years, but appears to have lost a step. Hansen looked great with them last night, Sutter was good earlier in the season. I'd even rather see Virt on that line than Vrbata.

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is that what teams who beat us say?  There really are no bad teams.  Didn't Columbus just shut out Anaheim or LA?

No, teams that beat us don't say that, because we're not the worst team. The Jackets' record is worse than the Leafs and the Oilers. I don't care who they just beat - if they're that low in the standings, the expectation is there that we beat them. It's hardly what I would call a turning point for us.

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I would be happy with a bag of pucks for Vrbata at this point. He's not doing anything this year and has proven he is not a team guy with his comments earlier this year saying he wants set line mates for the year. He looks disinterested unless he's with the Sedins. The Sedins have said over and over agi that they play best with a tenacious forechecker. Burrows has done a great job for years, but appears to have lost a step. Hansen looked great with them last night, Sutter was good earlier in the season. I'd even rather see Virt on that line than Vrbata.

Wanting stability means you aren't a team player?

I hope I never work under you.

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No, teams that beat us don't say that, because we're not the worst team. The Jackets' record is worse than the Leafs and the Oilers. I don't care who they just beat - if they're that low in the standings, the expectation is there that we beat them. It's hardly what I would call a turning point for us.

we beat Montreal badly.  Is that a turning point?  The league is pretty close, and the gap between good and bad is not that wide.  

IMO any team can beat another on a given night.  That's why playoffs are best of seven.

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THIS.

This forum gets a little crazy.....you see all these deadline deals for the like of Vrbata and so forth.

First round picks......good prospects coming back.....to rent Vrbata?

A 30 goal scorer last season that is snake bitten.

Unlike CDC, GMs look at the history of a player not just what they've done in a two week span. If they were to follow CDC's formula, Crosby and Perry are garbage and no teams would trade for them.

Just look at the history of deadline deals, especially in the last couple years. Top 6 scorers and top four D-men go for a premium. because that's when cap space can be maximized. 

Teams that will likely go all in are Nashville, LA. Pittsburgh, Anaheim, Dallas, Minnesota, Montreal. New York, St.Louis. Tampa, Washington. Basically over a third of the league are suitors for Vrbata and Hamhuis. I could see Vrbata going to Montreal and Hamhuis going to Nashville. Both teams likely have no problem giving up a 1st.

 

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