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Pass the torch to Markstorm already

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FireGillis Canucks Rookie

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Miller's numbers so far are the best he's had in a few seasons so he's not the problem.

No they aren't.

Miller this year. 2.48 GAA .912 SV%

Miller last year. 2.53 GAA .911 SV%

Miller had a hot start to the year, but has been pretty terrible since and too many people are blinded by his hot start still.  He's let in 3 or more goals in 8 of his past 10 games.  These past 10 games have been market correction to miller's hot start and inflated stats.  They've come crashing back down to normal now.

I don't want to start markstrom though because Miller is good for the tank and Markstrom is the only reason why we aren't winless on this road trip, since he stole the columbus game.  Keep playing captain tank Miller because I want a great draft pick next year! There's no point in fighting for the playoffs and being bounced in the first round or barely missing the playoffs.  This team needs more elite talent which you need to draft.  This road trip has been good for the tank so far and I hope they keep it up and the rest of the pacific stops sucking!

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DownUndaCanuck Canucks Franchise Player

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Miller is being left out to dry. Not many goalies have to deal with trying to stop a 4th rebound because their defence can't clear the puck. Bartkowski, Hutton and Weber are soft in their own zone and our veterans Edler and Tanev are looking exhausted themselves, making defensive gaffs all the time now.

Sure, throw Markstrom in, he's looked good, but that won't fix much. We need to rest Miller and not burn him out so early but the change won't make much of a difference to the team's winning and goals against with this $&!#house defence.

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Markstrom started 2 games ago in Colombus, so I'm very confident that coach will give him a fair share of games this season, now that he's back. It's understandable why he didn't trust the backup to the backup early in the season. 

Why is that. He played quite well in his single (and possibly only ever) game as a Canuck. His NHL numbers are better than Marky's despite playing for lousy teams.

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Nuxfanabroad Canucks Hall-of-Famer

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Why does everyone assume we're talking in absolutes here? AFAIC, yeah give JM more work..no big deal.

If they both stay healthy, I'd like a 50/30 games, RM/JM split..is that such a bad thing? So Markstrom has some catchin up to do, with his early-season injury.

Give the kid a few over a shorter period, & let's see what he's got.

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It wasn't just the media that drove Luo out of here. It was fans like you that want to "pass the torch" to every half decent backup because it's always the starting goalies fault when games get lost. Maybe this team is just playing bad, Miller has been good for us. Everyone else? Not so much.

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It wasn't just the media that drove Luo out of here. It was fans like you that want to "pass the torch" to every half decent backup because it's always the starting goalies fault when games get lost. Maybe this team is just playing bad, Miller has been good for us. Everyone else? Not so much.

 

Exactly.  And where's the guy Luongo 'passed the torch' to?  Still a backup with a save % of .865.  OP, why don't you pass me whatever it is you're smoking?

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Miller looks defeated; also his comments in Buffalo seemed to rub this team the wrong way. Time to give Markstorm the torch and roll with it! Two games at-least, does Willie have the courage to do this? Playing Markstorm in a loud arena like Montreal, well to me it seems Miller's comments have gotten the team in the wrong way. We all know how the veterans on this team respond to negative criticism, and here's the kicker.  the media in Vancouver are just waiting for this team to return, so they can make something out of Miller's record and play after the Buffalo comments. Big mistake Miller, unless he starts winning some games eg 2 goals against; otherwise  you just know the media in Vancity will do there best to drive him out of town like they did with Luongo. 

also, Higgins has really screwed up this teams chemistry. I don't know what he has done but ever since he joined this team it looks slower! 

Thanks for the feedback.  Do you have a source concerning Miller's comments in Buffalo?  Markstrom is still young and needs the mentoring from veterans like Miller.  What if Markstrom's play is similar or worse than Miller?  Would you say that he too needs to go? 

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By all accounts, Miller's record is 5 wins and 11 losses. He had a great start to the season...he's been pretty ordinary the last several games.  If Miller doesn't stand on his head every game he starts, this Canucks team is going to be hard pressed to make the playoffs.  This Canucks team is pretty bad and will be until the kids mature to the point that they will be relied upon as the new core.  That's going to take a couple of seasons because they're not there yet and the old core isn't capable of carrying the team anymore.

Exactly^

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Miller looks defeated; also his comments in Buffalo seemed to rub this team the wrong way. Time to give Markstorm the torch and roll with it! Two games at-least, does Willie have the courage to do this? Playing Markstorm in a loud arena like Montreal, well to me it seems Miller's comments have gotten the team in the wrong way. We all know how the veterans on this team respond to negative criticism, and here's the kicker.  the media in Vancouver are just waiting for this team to return, so they can make something out of Miller's record and play after the Buffalo comments. Big mistake Miller, unless he starts winning some games eg 2 goals against; otherwise  you just know the media in Vancity will do there best to drive him out of town like they did with Luongo. 

also, Higgins has really screwed up this teams chemistry. I don't know what he has done but ever since he joined this team it looks slower! 

First off I think there's some growing pains that this team is enduring right now with the younger players and I don't see any one debating this. The Vancouver fan base is smart enough to get this and accept it.

How ever, the fan base is smart enough to know when the vets that are supposed to be holding the fort during the time the younger players develop are dropping the ball.

Starting with Miller. He should have kept his pie hole shut and carried on.If one yaps to the press during a rough patch, even if one is stating the truth, one opens oneself up to criticism, justified or not. Miller's been around long enough to know how it works. I can't feel sorry for him on this one. Now it's potentially a distraction because the press has something to speculate about.

Miller has not been playing well, bottom line and the press does have something valid to work with there. Some one can correct me but I don't think Miller has yet to endure the hockey press in Vancouver when he's had a rough patch. Thus far it's been pretty smooth for Miller in Vancouver. If he doesn't buck up quick he'll be getting pressed by the press. That could be interesting.

My only prediction going into the season is that Markstrom,(is this his proper spelling?), will be the story in goal and not Miller. If this team is going to succeed in the future they're going to have to put another young player in Markstrom on the ice. He may not save the season but he'll get the seasoning he needs to move forward as a starting goalie in the NHL. We won't know until he gets ample time in goal.

The passing of the baton can be an ugly thing but we're nearing the part of the race that pass has to be made sooner than later. It might be an ugly affair but it's gotta be done and I think this is in part what we are witnessing all over the ice.

Edler?   He knows how to hit, pass and skate... What happened to that? He's big, yet they miss Sbisa' physical play on the back end. Excuse me, they've missed Edler's size for a while now and on this road trip have really missed it. We saw how bad Edler was with out Tanev for a few games. How much has he dragged Tanev down during this stretch in which he has been playing with Tanev? Tanev is carrying Edler right now and it shows. 

Vancouver's back end has been exposed yet again for being too soft starting with Edler and ending with Weber. Weber is not a JB guy because he's just too small and soft, regardless of what JB states.

I would not be surprised if a move, as in trade, on the back end is made sooner than later. Management knows what they have by now and will adjust sooner than later. This group still isn't physical enough, they've had enough time to adjust, and haven't. They never will be unless others are brought in to do the job.

In the big picture JB and Linden have to get through all these smaller players on the back end before making room for another smaller defensive prospect in Suban.

Totally agree on Higgens. Quick start, peak, that's gonna be it. He arguably doesn't make the guys around him better, nor does he have much finish. Stretched over time Higgens is getting thinner approaching his familiar plateau.

One more thing. Coaching. Is Glen Gulutzan, (sp, ??), still the offense and power play coach? He was here with Torts, poor power play. Nonexistent pp last play offs, and now it's the worst it's been in a long time even with the Sedins and Virbata to work with.  2nd pp unit is getting better or at least I feel we have a better chance when this group is on the ice.

The vets on all levels are giving management an easier time playing younger players and living with their mistakes as opposed to watching the vets making rookie mistakes.

This year I think we fans need to see things for what they are and be patient. Linden and JB see more than we see and know far more. They can not be happy with the vets right now.

 

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