kilgore Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Its not about passing a torch to one for a while, then back to the other once the first one is exhausted and screwing up. Its about goalie management. And this organization has been horrible at it for years now. They are giving Miller the same treatment as they did Luongo at times. Play him till he either a. Gets injured or b. Gets tired both mentally and physically and it affects his play. Then play the backup until he's exhausted like Lack last year (And do not pace the first backup with the second, even for a game) Meanwhile the backup is on the bench for weeks at a time. Its like Willie is fooled by the fact that OF COURSE Miller will play his best at the start of the season. He is injury free, rested, fresh from a Summer of conditioning. But that does not mean you throw out the plan of pacing him throughout the season. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF PACING. So he retains some of that energy and keeps a consistent playing level throughout the season and hopefully into the playoffs. And meanwhile the backup will be more game-ready. Even if its Bachman on the bench, you don't throw out the plan. Case in point: Small sample size but two back to backs with Bachman on the roster. One Willie played him, one he doubled up on Miller. Oct. 29, against Stars: Miller - loss Oct. 30, against Coyotes: Bachman - win .......... Nov. 7, against Sabres: Miller - loss Nov. 8, against Devils: Miller - loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yes we can nucks Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 OP, I hope you see the foolishness of this thread now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 1 minute ago, yes we can nucks said: OP, I hope you see the foolishness of this thread now. He wasn't great, but it was far from a performance worthy of denouncing the idea of Markstrom being a legitimate starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I say ease Markstrom into the role. Don't rush the guy. Otherwise, we'll have people wanting Markstrom gone within a year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatetomatoes Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 This will turn into the Burrows thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yes we can nucks Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 6 hours ago, EmilyM said: He wasn't great, but it was far from a performance worthy of denouncing the idea of Markstrom being a legitimate starter. I didn't denounce the idea of Markstrom being a legitimate starter. In due time he will be. I'm talking about the foolishness of OP declaring him the starter over Miller after one good game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I actually don't understand why people on here has written Markstorm as our starter for the foreseeable future. I have been saying for the last 2 years I think he is a bust but I would love to be proved wrong. His NHL stats are absolutely horrendous. All hes got to show for himself is his "ceiling potential" and last season's AHL record (which proves nothing). If Markstorm was so great, Florida wouldn't have given him to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Markstrom has been GOOD for us so far, not great, which is unfortunately what this defence requires him to be to win games. If the Canucks want to make it easier on goalies they could try and find another top-4 defenceman, otherwise we'll be leaning on Miller and Markstrom every night to make at least 5-10 grade-A saves in order to win games which is pretty unfair. Unfortunately Markstrom is in the crux of all of this during a key year in his development. His GAA and save % are suffering as a result but the goals he's letting in aren't particularly bad ones, and he's saving more top-notch chances than he's letting in bad goals which is a good sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedin Brothers Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 5 hours ago, Drakrami said: I actually don't understand why people on here has written Markstorm as our starter for the foreseeable future. I have been saying for the last 2 years I think he is a bust but I would love to be proved wrong. His NHL stats are absolutely horrendous. All hes got to show for himself is his "ceiling potential" and last season's AHL record (which proves nothing). If Markstorm was so great, Florida wouldn't have given him to us. Uh... they "gave up" on him because they got one of the best goalies in history in return... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Demko is our future number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm really impressed with how solid Markstrom seems in net. He is still adjusting to the game and gaining experience of course. Love how he likes to handle the puck and make plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 It's tough for a goalie to only play once every couple weeks. He's probably still adjusting to that role. I thought he's done quite well considering he hasn't had much playing time in the last couple months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 On Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:11:56, desiboynux4lifee******* said: Miller looks defeated; also his comments in Buffalo seemed to rub this team the wrong way. Time to give Markstorm the torch and roll with it! Two games at-least, does Willie have the courage to do this? Playing Markstorm in a loud arena like Montreal, well to me it seems Miller's comments have gotten the team in the wrong way. We all know how the veterans on this team respond to negative criticism, and here's the kicker. the media in Vancouver are just waiting for this team to return, so they can make something out of Miller's record and play after the Buffalo comments. Big mistake Miller, unless he starts winning some games eg 2 goals against; otherwise you just know the media in Vancity will do there best to drive him out of town like they did with Luongo. also, Higgins has really screwed up this teams chemistry. I don't know what he has done but ever since he joined this team it looks slower! The goaltending has been a strength of the team. If anything, an overhaul to the pathetic defense is the first order of business. There are only so many saves a goaltender can realistically make if the defensemen in front of him are not able to clear the crease or move the puck safely and effectively up ice. Until the lack of depth, size, and skill in the d corps, nothing will change, and the goalies will continue to suffer for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmotamed Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 PLEASE don't start this crap again... No more Luongo-gate situations! You all messed up a good thing, talking like that, it's dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 On 2015-11-14, 10:11:56, desiboynux4lifee******* said: Miller looks defeated; also his comments in Buffalo seemed to rub this team the wrong way. Time to give Markstorm the torch and roll with it! Two games at-least, does Willie have the courage to do this? Playing Markstorm in a loud arena like Montreal, well to me it seems Miller's comments have gotten the team in the wrong way. We all know how the veterans on this team respond to negative criticism, and here's the kicker. the media in Vancouver are just waiting for this team to return, so they can make something out of Miller's record and play after the Buffalo comments. Big mistake Miller, unless he starts winning some games eg 2 goals against; otherwise you just know the media in Vancity will do there best to drive him out of town like they did with Luongo. also, Higgins has really screwed up this teams chemistry. I don't know what he has done but ever since he joined this team it looks slower! I don't think Miller's comments are drastically different than what was discussed in the room. Whether that talk happened or not, he also happens to be right; the defense generally sucks every night especially for the games Sbisa wasn't in the lineup. They "can't make those kinds of mistakes". "We all know how the veterans on this team respond to negative criticism" - How do they respond exactly? If a vet can't take the criticism, that vet should be shown the door. And quick. Miller doesn't look defeated unless it comes right after what? a defeat. Should he be cheerful? We lost. Oh well. Smiles. So Miller wins the Chicago game and Markstrom loses the New Jersey game. CDC logic: Markstrom is ready. Sounds like a tanking hope to me... Look. It's simple. Next time Miller lets in a goal, trade him. Right? And let's create a goalie controversy again because... well... what's Canucks hockey without a goalie controversy. I do agree that Higgins' return messed up something fundamental on the team. Desjardins plays the players from whom he knows what he's going to get. With Higgins you get: A Mason Raymond that stays on his feet, takes minutes away from other players as his drought becomes every greater every season. Defensively he's alright. Offensively, he doesn't exactly instill fear in the opposition. The play usually dies with Higgins on the ice. This is normal though. The dude is a defense-first player. It is only natural that he defends. Even though the best defense is offense, with Higgins, you know it's going to end up in the defensive zone as Higgins shines his defensive pedigree. Higgins should not be on the top 6 ever, and should be traded because, as you say, his return has slowed something down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmilyM Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 8 hours ago, Drakrami said: If Markstorm was so great, Florida wouldn't have given him to us. Whaaaaaaaaaaat. There are plenty of players who flourished in new organizations where previously they haven't/couldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 8 hours ago, Drakrami said: If Markstorm was so great, Florida wouldn't have given him to us. Because Luongo had nothing to do with the trade. Right? Right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Buzzsaw* Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Markstrom is not ready to be the starter... the game against NJ showed that clearly. On the other hand, as a young backup, he is progressing and learning his trade. Which is all we should really expect. He has the physical traits and the basic abilities to develop into something much better. I think if he can get in 20-25 games in relief of Miller he will have done his job. Miller needs more breaks than he has been getting, and Markstrom needs more experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 8 hours ago, kmotamed said: PLEASE don't start this crap again... No more Luongo-gate situations! You all messed up a good thing, talking like that, it's dangerous X2 - The same thing with Lack last year. We have a regular goalie and a back up. Period. Quit trying to make something out of nothing. Just accept we have good goal tending in Vancouver and stop the drama already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 I think that Markstrom is showing signs that he could be the starter one day. Of course evaluation has to be ongoing. Markstrom isn't ready to be the #1 yet. He had a very good game against the Kings but his play is a bit scrambly still. I think that Markstrom has showed us that he has the potential to take over as starter but we still need Miller and a well rested Miller can still play very well as he showed us early in the season. Millers contract is up at the end of next year and presumably the plan is to have Markstrom ready to be the starter by then. So, Willie had better get started developing him. Marky is going to need a couple of things: Enough starts to hone his skills Enough practice time to make adjustments to, and improve his technique To date this season, Miller has started 21 of 26 games. That's about a 4 in 5 ratio and is obviously too much for him because his play has tailed off. Markstrom has 4 of 26 starts and Bachman 1. At this rate, Markstrom will end up with only 12 or 13 starts which is not developing him. I would like to see Miller play more like 2 of 3 (at least that rate from today forward). If they play at that ratio from here forward for the rest of the year Miller would have 58 and Markstrom would have 23 games played. Gradually, this should shift to 50/50 next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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