MeanSeanBean Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 A fourth or fifth rounder would be the max return unless he somehow finds another gear.Wrong. Based on reputation alone he's worth a high pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hamhuis, Higgins, Vrbata.NOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Wrong. Based on reputation alone he's worth a high pick.Yup, all we have to do is say he's a good defenseman on a $&!# team. Just look at Erik Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihatetomatoes Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 The worst is that our two most valuable tradeable assets in Hamhuis and Vrbata are playing absolutely terrible. Either guy won't be worth much more than a second rounder or depth player at this point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Best to find a way to get them playing better, then trade. I realize that's easier said then done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I agree that Hamhuis has declined in recent years, but let's not forget about his partner in crime, Weber. Weber has been worse than Hamhuis so far in my opinion, which is exactly why he's a injury call up, and nothing more. Once Sbisa is back, I expect Weber will be back in Utica. Hamhuis will probably have a higher trade value than you're giving him credit for. If we can get a 2nd rounder for Bieksa, Hamhuis can easily fetch that much for Hammer. You greatly underestimate his value. If we make him available at the deadline, plenty of teams will be biddingI agree with the above quotes.We can all agree that Hamhuis is going through age-related decline, which is normal. However, most of the negative comments in this thread are exaggerated. Based on the numbers Hamhuis has been was an excellent D-man right up through the Torts year (2013-14, the year before last) when he was certainly the best D on the team. And he deserved his spot on the Olympic team.Last year he declined but he was still good. Whether we look at advanced states, scoring, quality-of-competition adjusted plus minus or whatever, he has been and still is a good player. This year has been a struggle but his numbers are still decent and his play is also decent. He was a big part of the team's early success this year, including on the PK. Right now he is still a decent second-pairing D and any team would be delighted to have him on their third pairing and most teams would be happy to have him on their second pairing. I admit that he is getting older is probably getting worn down on the current road trip. But the fact that he is able to do decent job when paired with Weber, who is definitely NOT a legitimate top 4 D, shows us his value. Unless things really go south his value at the deadline would be at least a second-round pick. Personally I would like to see him traded for a second round pick at the deadline than re-signed in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 The whole defence is a joke. When guys bring offence, they suck defensively. When they're focussed on playing shutdown hockey like Tanev, they don't score. We don't have any decent all-round defencemen - they're either puck movers or shutdown guys and none of them are very good at their own jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 lol... Blaming offense on Hamhuis. Ridiculous. We are not winning, because we don't have a winning team. Which other team aces two 35 years old first liners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 A fourth or fifth rounder would be the max return unless he somehow finds another gear.http://i.imgur.com/seh6p.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
virtanenisnextperry Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hammer is done tonights crap performance is the icing in the cake he has no ofensive skill and cant skate or hit while hes taking up 4.5 mill in cap We should unload this guy retain 2.25 mill and ship him out east to team that needs a dman like isles or wings or anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 I agree with the above quotes.We can all agree that Hamhuis is going through age-related decline, which is normal. However, most of the negative comments in this thread are exaggerated. Based on the numbers Hamhuis has been was an excellent D-man right up through the Torts year (2013-14, the year before last) when he was certainly the best D on the team. And he deserved his spot on the Olympic team.Last year he declined but he was still good. Whether we look at advanced states, scoring, quality-of-competition adjusted plus minus or whatever, he has been and still is a good player. This year has been a struggle but his numbers are still decent and his play is also decent. He was a big part of the team's early success this year, including on the PK. Right now he is still a decent second-pairing D and any team would be delighted to have him on their third pairing and most teams would be happy to have him on their second pairing. I admit that he is getting older is probably getting worn down on the current road trip. But the fact that he is able to do decent job when paired with Weber, who is definitely NOT a legitimate top 4 D, shows us his value. Unless things really go south his value at the deadline would be at least a second-round pick. Personally I would like to see him traded for a second round pick at the deadline than re-signed in the summer. Vancouver started their season very strong in the FO %. It gave them a edge in puck possession and took pressure off their d-men as they did not have to battle physically to regain the puck. The Horvat penalty was a direct result of losing the FO. Hamhuis might look bad but Weber and Bartkowski really struggle along the boards. The game was lost in the Van d-zone last night. Since I did not have high expectations this year another game with the rookies gaining experience was enough. Loved to see Burrows try and bring his team back once again. Great example for the rookies to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hammer is done tonights crap performance is the icing in the cake he has no ofensive skill and cant skate or hit while hes taking up 4.5 mill in cap We should unload this guy retain 2.25 mill and ship him out east to team that needs a dman like isles or wings or anywhere Cut losses now and sell low and hopefully salvage the season,orWait until the trade deadline and get a ransom (1st & top rookie) each for Hamhuis and Vrbata at the risk of not making the playoffs and possibly draft very high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panelguy Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hamhuis , way over rated . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Industrious1 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hamhuis has done a lot for the club since he came onboard, and was instrumental in helping us make it the last cup Final.I'd even hazard to say when he went down against Boston that it was the nail in the coffin for the dream of the Grail that year.He definitely deserves more respect from the fanbase than he is getting...that being said this is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of league and he (like a lot of players wearing the blue and green) are well past their expiration dates. Honestly there isn't much to do for it except be patient because the Canucks are in a re-tooling phase and no big moves can be spotted on the horizon to improve the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hlinkas wrister Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hammer is just a symptom, the disease is our absolute trash d core in its entirety. Even Tanev and Hutton are playing like garbage at the moment. The scary part is I don't see any saviors coming through the pipeline to fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 They have to be fully focused and not drift in/out. Engaged and no momentary lapses, which they're currently guilty of.With Hammer I would argue that it is a Skill over focus issue...He looks fully aware out there, as well as out of his league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Cut losses now and sell low and hopefully salvage the season,orWait until the trade deadline and get a ransom (1st & top rookie) for Hamhuis and Vrbata at the risk of not making the playoffs and possibly draft very high.I choose the 2nd option. The Canucks would be foolish to make any moves until the deadline. Hammer's veteran presence and playoff experience def. has value to a Cup run team looking for a 5th, or 6th D man for the playoffs. Vrbata might be some bubble team's PP hail Mary, but I don't see too much action on him come deadline day, unless he can turn around his scoring drought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hamhuis has done a lot for the club since he came onboard, and was instrumental in helping us make it the last cup Final.I'd even hazard to say when he went down against Boston that it was the nail in the coffin for the dream of the Grail that year.He definitely deserves more respect from the fanbase than he is getting...that being said this is a "what have you done for me lately" kind of league and he (like a lot of players wearing the blue and green) are well past their expiration dates. Honestly there isn't much to do for it except be patient because the Canucks are in a re-tooling phase and no big moves can be spotted on the horizon to improve the team.Exactly, since 2011 he's been a big-minute stabilizer and he's only slowed down this season. Agreed with your statement too that the 2011 defeat was sealed after his injury. People may hate on him now and say he's past his expiration date, but I can envision the day he gets moved already: once the team moves him the fans'll say the return was underwhelming just as they did when Bieksa got moved, as the guy they pictured getting moved would be the Hammer from earlier on in his career, and he'll only be remembered for being a warrior and whatnot. The prospect/ pick coming back'll have all the pressure to live up to the guy they're traded for right away, even though that's not often the case and not the best option for a kid in a rebuild. It's just that this fan base has no patience, even if patience is a needed measure for the good of the team going forward.Must be tough to be a Canuck too, knowing your fans are ready to turn on you when you make a mistake, when you are past your prime or even just slumping. All memory of past contributions go out the window and they're ready to burn you on the stake as the scapegoat for struggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted November 16, 2015 Share Posted November 16, 2015 Hes one of the few guys they can probably get a decent return for. Unfortunately this D is so thin, and the prospect pool on D is so anaemic, they will create a hole 2 times bigger than they have now if they trade him.This D, as a whole, has got to be the worst D they have put on the ice in 15 years. Physically, they do not intimidate other teams. Guys charge to the net without repercussion. They cant be relied on to generate any offence, get pucks through from the point, or QB the PP. If I see another Edler stick blow up, another shot off the shins from the point, another bad pinch that results in an odd man rush, im going to throw my toupee at the TV. I wonder how much of this has to do with coaching. Would the d look this fUgly if V was the coach ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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