The Lock Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 10 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Not looking at any one in particular some simply don't absorb reality and prefer a dream world...that IMO is the repetition...we'd like this...we'd like that. Despite the FACT that management bring the guy up to take a look at how he reacts in practise and then return him with nothing more than a token appearance as a winger. Surely....surely it has to tell you some thing ??? . The eyes of Linden, Benning and WD have all been on this guy....you're just not accepting thier judgement. Nothing would please management more than bring him in and think wow look at this guy man did we under estimated this guys abilities...but what the heck we won't play him ( as desperate as we are) and return him to the AHL..... do you really think that was their rational I think what it is is it sounds more like you're looking for negatives in his game and claiming that to be a "realistic" assessment, while forgetting that there's a reason why he's an NHL prospect. I don't just see you doing this with Pedan. I see you doing this with a lot of players. Personally, I don't consider that being "knowledgable". I consider that just trying to be negative. If you want to be taken seriously (at least by me anyway, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same would hold to other people), then focusing on BOTH positives and negatives would help. These players didn't get to where they are today without actually having positives in their game. It's simply not realistic to think otherwise. It's not about people having "fantasies" or "rose coloured glasses". Personally, I know he has issues with his game and there's nothing wrong with pointing those out. But just focusing on those negatives and pretty much saying he has no positives and essentially focusing on "how he could fail"? That's unrealistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 2 hours ago, Fred65 said: Make that statment at the end of the season when they miss the play-offs by1-2-3 point and a few million $ to boot Yes because that would be the defining moment of the season.....Sitting Yannick Weber for Andrey Pedan. Next time, write out your post and review it before you start typing. Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 47 minutes ago, The Lock said: I think what it is is it sounds more like you're looking for negatives in his game and claiming that to be a "realistic" assessment, while forgetting that there's a reason why he's an NHL prospect. I don't just see you doing this with Pedan. I see you doing this with a lot of players. Personally, I don't consider that being "knowledgable". I consider that just trying to be negative. If you want to be taken seriously (at least by me anyway, but I wouldn't be surprised if the same would hold to other people), then focusing on BOTH positives and negatives would help. These players didn't get to where they are today without actually having positives in their game. It's simply not realistic to think otherwise. It's not about people having "fantasies" or "rose coloured glasses". Personally, I know he has issues with his game and there's nothing wrong with pointing those out. But just focusing on those negatives and pretty much saying he has no positives and essentially focusing on "how he could fail"? That's unrealistic. Well despite all those "positives." Those that know ie Linden, JB & WD and others ( never mind the brain trust with NYI ) have kept him firmly attached to an AHL team. How many experts do you want. This is like taking the time to go to see your Doctor and then not taking the medication he recommends. It'll be a real real pleasant surprise if this guy turns out to be a #5-6 D... real pleasant. Here's the question Pedan is an RFA this summer...how much will he attract, maybe teams chasing after him. What would you offer him $$ ? Every one on this forum wants the guy to come through and put me at the top of that list .... but if I'm in charge of throwing money around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 11 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Well despite all those "positives." Those that know ie Linden, JB & WD and others ( never mind the brain trust with NYI ) have kept him firmly attached to an AHL team. How many experts do you want. This is like taking the time to go to see your Doctor and then not taking the medication he recommends. It'll be a real real pleasant surprise if this guy turns out to be a #5-6 D... real pleasant. Here's the question Pedan is an RFA this summer...how much will he attract, maybe teams chasing after him. What would you offer him $$ ? Every one on this forum wants the guy to come through and put me at the top of that list .... but if I'm in charge of throwing money around This isn't about money right now and I have no clue why you even brought that up. Money can come later. Right now, it's likely he'll get an extention from us and it won't cost us a lot. Maybe even just an extension of his rookies contract for all we know. I also have no clue what you're trying to say in your first paragraph. I don't really see you as being an expert to begin with if I'm to be perfectly honest. You're entitled to your opinion of course, but so am I. You're not an expert as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Money is a clear cut way to numerically put a value on a player. Me I'd offer him the minimum...some one here might offer him a lot more..... it's value if you need this explaining well. Good point made by Gallagher as we speak he mentioned the "other" D let go....Garrison traded for unltimatley Vey :-) Corrado told to get himself an apartment at training camp ie you've made it LOL you wonder why this D is looking for Pedan tio come through LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Phooey Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 2 hours ago, Fred65 said: Money is a clear cut way to numerically put a value on a player. Me I'd offer him the minimum...some one here might offer him a lot more..... it's value if you need this explaining well. Good point made by Gallagher as we speak he mentioned the "other" D let go....Garrison traded for unltimatley Vey :-) Corrado told to get himself an apartment at training camp ie you've made it LOL you wonder why this D is looking for Pedan tio come through LOL This post reads^^^reads like something I'd write after copious amount of egg nog and rum...maybe that's what I need to understand what this guy is trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 18 minutes ago, Fred65 said: Money is a clear cut way to numerically put a value on a player. Me I'd offer him the minimum...some one here might offer him a lot more..... it's value if you need this explaining well. Good point made by Gallagher as we speak he mentioned the "other" D let go....Garrison traded for unltimatley Vey :-) Corrado told to get himself an apartment at training camp ie you've made it LOL you wonder why this D is looking for Pedan tio come through LOL Why would anyone offer him a ton of money at this stage? That seems like a premature assessment more than anything, and not accurate at all in this stage. You appear to want to assume other people think he's an NHL'er. He's not at the moment, but he could develop into one and he has a good chance of it happening. I haven't read anyone saying that he deserves 2 million or something like that. In fact, you're the only one bringing up contracts. I don't know if you're drunk or what (like the person above said), but I don't see how talking contracts at this stage helps your argument at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 3 hours ago, HK Phooey said: This post reads^^^reads like something I'd write after copious amount of egg nog and rum...maybe that's what I need to understand what this guy is trying to say. 2 hours ago, The Lock said: Why would anyone offer him a ton of money at this stage? That seems like a premature assessment more than anything, and not accurate at all in this stage. You appear to want to assume other people think he's an NHL'er. He's not at the moment, but he could develop into one and he has a good chance of it happening. I haven't read anyone saying that he deserves 2 million or something like that. In fact, you're the only one bringing up contracts. I don't know if you're drunk or what (like the person above said), but I don't see how talking contracts at this stage helps your argument at all. ... Im besides myself to know why they locked up the "Crying for Corrado" thread i started ??.. .. Maybe if I start a charity for fred65 instead?? maybe he'll feel better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 5 hours ago, SilentSam said: Heya HuttonWink, i cant beleive how fragile a few members of the CDC have become.. I think their way of thinking defiantly and undeniably has us tanking without any effort at all. Everyone this year in Utica should get 5-10 games with the Nucks this year, this is the year to do it. ps. When A Pedan played forward for 3mins last week, he had 3 big hits 2 shots on net, and almost an assist... He had a chance to score, but because he is a defenseman, it took an extra second for him to realize the opportunity he had to drop shoulder, leg out and shove it in. ... But if every naysayer is happy to have a club play that averages 5'11.. Why watch or read the pain.? Yeah, that's the thing -- how do you know what you have unless you get them in there? I understand they don't want any more slippage to stay in the playoff picture, but the long-term needs to be looked at, not to mention that guys like Pedan, Jensen, and Grenier are subject to waivers next year. As for Freddie's repetitious "Pedan-grenade" meme, Pedan's first few shifts in that ONE game were shaky but he then settled down and was very effective breaking up plays and stripping guys of the puck. Evidently he turned the game off after 20 minutes and that's all he's ever seen Andrey play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 2 hours ago, Hutton Wink said: Yeah, that's the thing -- how do you know what you have unless you get them in there? I understand they don't want any more slippage to stay in the playoff picture, but the long-term needs to be looked at, not to mention that guys like Pedan, Jensen, and Grenier are subject to waivers next year. As for Freddie's repetitious "Pedan-grenade" meme, Pedan's first few shifts in that ONE game were shaky but he then settled down and was very effective breaking up plays and stripping guys of the puck. Evidently he turned the game off after 20 minutes and that's all he's ever seen Andrey play. ... I agree, hard to say which is more painful,. WD flogging the same horse or fred65 ? I must say though... Austin Mathews looks like a full package,. and leaving for Europe to play with men for real money shows this kid knows what he wants. Im happy to miss the playoffs and move closer to that gem... but agreed, shouldnt come at the cost of NOT giving fair ice to Utica prospects. Really wish we got those games on the tv. ps. Im keeping an i on the D. Sheilds pick up.. He had above average numbers when Utica grabbed him.. He has 1g 1a in 2games with Utica. I think his big body has just turned the corner too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 I hope Pedan gets to play on D tomorrow night. Give one of the guys a night off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted December 18, 2015 Author Share Posted December 18, 2015 2 hours ago, Yotes said: I hope Pedan gets to play on D tomorrow night. Give one of the guys a night off .. Maybe WD will have him take Henriks' position? .... Just sayin if Pedan is in,. I will watch the game,. If not.. Well.. I become part of the drop in ratings. Go Comets!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 pedan is our new number one center we dont need dmen lol and then willey d wakes up from his dream and says yes great idea tanking the tank with dumbness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 23 hours ago, stawns said: Say what you want about weber, but he's got NHL speed and he can keep up to the play. I think they are worried about Pedan in that context. Weber's obvious weakness is board battles in his own end. I always am impressed with his game when the FO % goes up and puck possession his more in the Canuck's favour. All that considered I do not see him as a long term hold. I suspect Benning holds on to him and likely trades him at the deadline. Playoff teams likely will want his offensive upside especially with compatible partners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 At this point, I'd almost prefer we keep most of our prospects on a better utica team and away from this tire fire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted December 18, 2015 Share Posted December 18, 2015 9 minutes ago, J.R. said: At this point, I'd almost prefer we keep most of our prospects on a better utica team and away from this tire fire After all the talk of 'developing in a winning environment', I wouldn't expect anything less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keredz Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Not sure if any of you saw Pedans fight when he was recently down on the Comets on Dec.5th. Once again he got his ass kicked pretty bad. After suffering that bad concussion from a fight last year, he should be thinking twice about dropping the gloves. He is going to end his career early if he keeps it up. http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/131243 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 He hardly got his ass kicked. Even the best fighters don't win every fight. His fight card is still very much in the win column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead44 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 7 hours ago, keredz said: Not sure if any of you saw Pedans fight when he was recently down on the Comets on Dec.5th. Once again he got his ass kicked pretty bad. After suffering that bad concussion from a fight last year, he should be thinking twice about dropping the gloves. He is going to end his career early if he keeps it up. http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/131243 What are you talking about? He got hit twice and the other guy fell over. If Witkowski didn't tumble onto his back Pedan probably would have destroyed him as he lost his balance. Barely even a fight. I don't know what it is with people trying to paint Pedan into a player who can't fight. McIlrath is probably one of the tougher guys in the NHL right now (destroyed Schenn and Beleskey) and he went toe-to-toe with Pedan in an absolute slug fest and Pedan owned him. Pedan is a ridiculously tough kid. He lost a fight against an ex-NHL goon. And even then, as DeNiro mentioned, not every fighter wins every time. Bieksa fought the league punching bag Tom Kostopolous. Kostopolous is credited with 70 NHL fights, and a pathetic 3 wins (one against Bieksa). Bieksa doesn't exactly have the reputation of being a terrible fighter. Rick Rypien (RIP) is well remembered for beating huge guys, and being the best pound per pound fighter in the league. At one point I thought he could take anyone. He went up against Mike Commodore who isn't exactly a goon and got absolutely destroyed - it was like watching a big brother beat up his little brother. We don't want Pedan in staged fights. But yes, he has to be the guy expected to drop the gloves after a dirty hit and really be our tough guy when called for. If Pedan can be SOB with better skating ability (and shot) I will be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyg43 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 8 hours ago, keredz said: Not sure if any of you saw Pedans fight when he was recently down on the Comets on Dec.5th. Once again he got his ass kicked pretty bad. After suffering that bad concussion from a fight last year, he should be thinking twice about dropping the gloves. He is going to end his career early if he keeps it up. http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/131243 I do not see why he is rightly fighting now he still needs to tread softly with his concussion history[a reason we let a D man go few years back i Willie Mitchell,concussion concerns!] ;He should not be encouraged to fight but hone his stay at home skill an transition passing out of the zone .I would be concerned if I were JB an TL with this premature scrapping with wanna be pugilistic champs. I think now that come around the feb trade deadline depending on the whims of management an where the team is in the standing and if any D are traded we will see him audition for a future spot in Vancouver ,This could happen later than Feb but if it does then it is a sign in my mind he will be gone or contract will be extended doubt he extends though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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