LaBamba Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 minute ago, SilentSam said: I think Pedan's potential will surface into an asset this year if given the opportunity to succeed. It would be quite a shame to lose him this year.. If we can keep him skating,. and yes, I too am not for playing him out of his position, but it will definitely be worth while to have him up with the club and playing every second night. in another year, we might be so strong on defence that we can not keep him labamba,. But at least we will have "showcased" him and hopefully created a valuable asset of him. Remember that guy , . Didn't he turn, by trading, a red paper clip into house? Amazing what you might get for your 2 cents Labamba in the meantime, I really hope we get to see Andrey become a keeper for the Canucks I actually really like this kid. I know the skills competition is just a piss around, but for a AHL player that's 6"5 he has a lot of talent and natural ability. I recently heard a Gudbranson interview where he said he didn't really have an identity the first few years of his NHL career. When he committed to being a DD things started to happen. The 3rd overall label put that offensive pressure on him. I believe this same hindrance can be applied to Pedan. Maybe he is trying too hard to be the tough guy. Maybe he needs to build more confidence with the puck. The guy undeniably has the raw talent to be a lot more than a AHL goon. I know I would be afraid to stop him flying through the neutral zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 minute ago, LaBamba said: I actually really like this kid. I know the skills competition is just a piss around, but for a AHL player that's 6"5 he has a lot of talent and natural ability. I recently heard a Gudbranson interview where he said he didn't really have an identity the first few years of his NHL career. When he committed to being a DD things started to happen. The 3rd overall label put that offensive pressure on him. I believe this same hindrance can be applied to Pedan. Maybe he is trying too hard to be the tough guy. Maybe he needs to build more confidence with the puck. The guy undeniably has the raw talent to be a lot more than a AHL goon. I know I would be afraid to stop him flying through the neutral zone. I think he clocked in at 104 mph in that? Isn't that only a couple digits off of Chara and Weber's darts? i think it's a shame WD did not play him more last season, one opportunity, Pedan was up for about 15 games and played twice, once as forward.. Anyone could see Pedan brought a better game than Weber,. Maybe they were hoping Weber could find his consistency of old and move him at the TDL? It too easy to spot the physical upside that Pedan brings,. But more so, he is certain to finish a check,. The old rule of thumb I used to keep playing competively as a d man as a young man, If I squeeze him on the boards, he is still in play.. But if I finish and put him down on the ice, he is out of play for 3-4 seconds, and I'm set for him again. I was getting tired of watching Weber squeeze or chase the opposition in his own end, the same with Hamhuis, and quite frankly it's an element of Tanev's game I do not like, would love to see Tanev put on 10lbs of strength.. He is good at matching speed and playmaking of forwards,. But if he could just finish a check like Pedan does,. It saves a lot of time, mistakes, and b.s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, SilentSam said: I think he clocked in at 104 mph in that? Isn't that only a couple digits off of Chara and Weber's darts? i think it's a shame WD did not play him more last season, one opportunity, Pedan was up for about 15 games and played twice, once as forward.. Anyone could see Pedan brought a better game than Weber,. Maybe they were hoping Weber could find his consistency of old and move him at the TDL? It too easy to spot the physical upside that Pedan brings,. But more so, he is certain to finish a check,. The old rule of thumb I used to keep playing competively as a d man as a young man, If I squeeze him on the boards, he is still in play.. But if I finish and put him down on the ice, he is out of play for 3-4 seconds, and I'm set for him again. I was getting tired of watching Weber squeeze or chase the opposition in his own end, the same with Hamhuis, and quite frankly it's an element of Tanev's game I do not like, would love to see Tanev put on 10lbs of strength.. He is good at matching speed and playmaking of forwards,. But if he could just finish a check like Pedan does,. It saves a lot of time, mistakes, and b.s. There is a dirty to pedan's game he hasn't shown in the NHL. I can't wait to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 10 hours ago, SilentSam said: I think he clocked in at 104 mph in that? Isn't that only a couple digits off of Chara and Weber's darts? i think it's a shame WD did not play him more last season, one opportunity, Pedan was up for about 15 games and played twice, once as forward.. Anyone could see Pedan brought a better game than Weber,. Maybe they were hoping Weber could find his consistency of old and move him at the TDL? It too easy to spot the physical upside that Pedan brings,. But more so, he is certain to finish a check,. The old rule of thumb I used to keep playing competively as a d man as a young man, If I squeeze him on the boards, he is still in play.. But if I finish and put him down on the ice, he is out of play for 3-4 seconds, and I'm set for him again. I was getting tired of watching Weber squeeze or chase the opposition in his own end, the same with Hamhuis, and quite frankly it's an element of Tanev's game I do not like, would love to see Tanev put on 10lbs of strength.. He is good at matching speed and playmaking of forwards,. But if he could just finish a check like Pedan does,. It saves a lot of time, mistakes, and b.s. Players like Pedan are the reason I see no room for Hamhuis on the roster anymore. Pedan has to get at least 40 games this year so that the Canucks have a better handle on his upside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 If you're Pedan you want a 1 way contract If you're JB you want a 2 way The question is do you fish or cut bait. He's not truly ready for the NHL but if he gets to play more games will he be the guy you're looking for. Tough, stay at home but not a liability To me it could go either way I'm hoping he is the 7th D on the roster this coming season but I would understand if others might bump him with skill such as Larson, Stecher , Nilsson ...tough call and it will be interesting to see how JB handles it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 14, 2016 Author Share Posted June 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Boudrias said: Players like Pedan are the reason I see no room for Hamhuis on the roster anymore. Pedan has to get at least 40 games this year so that the Canucks have a better handle on his upside. 2 hours ago, Fred65 said: If you're Pedan you want a 1 way contract If you're JB you want a 2 way The question is do you fish or cut bait. He's not truly ready for the NHL but if he gets to play more games will he be the guy you're looking for. Tough, stay at home but not a liability To me it could go either way I'm hoping he is the 7th D on the roster this coming season but I would understand if others might bump him with skill such as Larson, Stecher , Nilsson ...tough call and it will be interesting to see how JB handles it Yes, seems like it's Hamhuis who may part ways here.. If that whole TDL fiasco had worked out differently , there may have been an obligation to bring him back for a single year contract.. I say fiasco, because if I am a player who is about to become an UFA, I am the one walking into the GM's office half way into the season and helping the GM position himself with options that I am willing to agree to if the team is not making the playoffs. Given, the Injury to Hamhuis was untimely ( they always are ), and the ability to return to the line up was probably never considered,.. Still, positioning himself for movement, or showing his willingness to move to help the team (possible draft pick or prospect in return), would leave an air of respect between player and management that goes beyond leadership and mentoring, and show's just how much of a "team player" you are, and your value to the organization should be rewarded. Hamhuis has had a great contract here. He should be happy to have had his time here and move on. For the sake of keeping Pedan in a mindset that is free from distraction, and a good working platform, you give him the 1 way contract.. AND he plays at least every second game in a rotation with both 3rd line D pairing. In other words, barring injury injuries, players on that line play 2 games and get 1 game off. Strong side, weak side, left hand, right hand, DOES NOT MATTER. The game is evolving that way for D men to switch with their partners and rove with their forwards on a more regular basis, and I'm a firm believer in practising that repeatedly in practice, makes it a muscle / memory trait, that is similar to the cycle. Im pretty sure that Stetcher is going to get top minutes in Utica. There seems to be a template being designed for JBs prospects and picks to get the full development, rewarded with opportunity. Larrsen, from the video I have seen of him, will probably make the Canucks this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted June 14, 2016 Share Posted June 14, 2016 1 hour ago, SilentSam said: Yes, seems like it's Hamhuis who may part ways here.. If that whole TDL fiasco had worked out differently , there may have been an obligation to bring him back for a single year contract.. I say fiasco, because if I am a player who is about to become an UFA, I am the one walking into the GM's office half way into the season and helping the GM position himself with options that I am willing to agree to if the team is not making the playoffs. Given, the Injury to Hamhuis was untimely ( they always are ), and the ability to return to the line up was probably never considered,.. Still, positioning himself for movement, or showing his willingness to move to help the team (possible draft pick or prospect in return), would leave an air of respect between player and management that goes beyond leadership and mentoring, and show's just how much of a "team player" you are, and your value to the organization should be rewarded. Hamhuis has had a great contract here. He should be happy to have had his time here and move on. For the sake of keeping Pedan in a mindset that is free from distraction, and a good working platform, you give him the 1 way contract.. AND he plays at least every second game in a rotation with both 3rd line D pairing. In other words, barring injury injuries, players on that line play 2 games and get 1 game off. Strong side, weak side, left hand, right hand, DOES NOT MATTER. The game is evolving that way for D men to switch with their partners and rove with their forwards on a more regular basis, and I'm a firm believer in practising that repeatedly in practice, makes it a muscle / memory trait, that is similar to the cycle. Im pretty sure that Stetcher is going to get top minutes in Utica. There seems to be a template being designed for JBs prospects and picks to get the full development, rewarded with opportunity. Larrsen, from the video I have seen of him, will probably make the Canucks this year. I agree with this..Pedan is just to tantalizing of a prospect to bury in the minors or trade away...he needs some playing time to really see what we have..I think he gets it too..he is a JB favorite..JB traded for him and the word was they wanted him to make the team out of camp last year but he had a horrible pre season and was sent down...he should get a longer look this season..as long as he plays some and not buried in the press box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 He'll need to up his confidence and composure before hell get any real minutes. My guess is he'll get the same treatment we've seen for the other prospects. He'll be watching a lot early, be eased in and have to prove himself capable when injuries present opportunity. And you guys will all be *rabble, rabble* 'WD won't play Pedan, fire him!' *rabble, rabble* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 14 hours ago, J.R. said: He'll need to up his confidence and composure before hell get any real minutes. My guess is he'll get the same treatment we've seen for the other prospects. He'll be watching a lot early, be eased in and have to prove himself capable when injuries present opportunity. And you guys will all be *rabble, rabble* 'WD won't play Pedan, fire him!' *rabble, rabble* That sounds about right..as for the bolded part..thats about right too...not a WD fan...never will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 13 minutes ago, ShakyWalton said: That sounds about right..as for the bolded part..thats about right too...not a WD fan...never will be. Yet he's shown he can ease Horvat, Baer, Virtanen etc in and have them improve by leaps and bounds by initially sheltering them and letting them get comfortable before giving them more rope. If it ain't broke.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Just now, J.R. said: Yet he's shown he can ease Horvat, Baer, Virtanen etc in and have them improve by leaps and bounds by initially sheltering them and letting them get comfortable before giving them more rope. If it ain't broke.... oh..I know it wont be fixed anytime soon...but I am willing to bet this is WDs last year here...if not there really is nothing I can do about it,,,but not a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameFaker Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 22 minutes ago, ShakyWalton said: oh..I know it wont be fixed anytime soon...but I am willing to bet this is WDs last year here...if not there really is nothing I can do about it,,,but not a fan. Dude, you are hardcore missing the point here... WD is doing good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 28 minutes ago, NameFaker said: Dude, you are hardcore missing the point here... WD is doing good work. Oh..Im not missing the point at all..we will see. Im not getting into an argument over who I like and dislike..it is what it is..WD has done some good things,,no denying ,,some of the young players have done well under him....but he also is responsible for some things he could be faulted on..line matching..time outs..parking players in the press box to long and motivation....its just my feeling...I wont ever be fully on board with WD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameFaker Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, ShakyWalton said: Oh..Im not missing the point at all..we will see. Im not getting into an argument over who I like and dislike..it is what it is..WD has done some good things,,no denying ,,some of the young players have done well under him....but he also is responsible for some things he could be faulted on..line matching..time outs..parking players in the press box to long and motivation....its just my feeling...I wont ever be fully on board with WD. Aight, fair enough. I totally agree with the line matching. I kinda miss AV overall, but I'm willing to trust in Willie for at least another season. This is sorta his "make-it-or-break-it" year for me, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 Just now, NameFaker said: Aight, fair enough. I totally agree with the line matching. I kinda miss AV overall, but I'm willing to trust in Willie for at least another season. This is sorta his "make-it-or-break-it" year for me, though. I think he will get that season depending on how it goes,,,but if the Nucks end up with another non playoff season it will be his last...I was going to say I miss AV too...but that is water under the bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NameFaker Posted June 15, 2016 Share Posted June 15, 2016 3 minutes ago, ShakyWalton said: I think he will get that season depending on how it goes,,,but if the Nucks end up with another non playoff season it will be his last...I was going to say I miss AV too...but that is water under the bridge. My response: word, dawg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted June 18, 2016 Share Posted June 18, 2016 He'll need a fair bit of sheltering this year, alright. But will have lots of opportunity the way our D get injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted June 18, 2016 Author Share Posted June 18, 2016 17 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: He'll need a fair bit of sheltering this year, alright. But will have lots of opportunity the way our D get injured. I think the injuries on D last season were because some were just overplayed, and some could not get a break from the physicality .. At least this year we may be able to share that type of love quite evenly on D, and it will become less tiresome.. It Has the potential to create physical enthusiasm amongst all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 It was pretty obvious that opposing teams knew that playing Van physically, especially in the d-zone, was a winning strategy. I don't think many fans realize how hard a game it becomes facing that most nights. Poor FO% combined with retrieval battles is tough. I am pretty stoked to see how a bigger d-core works this fall. Almost a guarantee that it will improve the zone exit plays and will create space for talent players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollowRoads Posted June 21, 2016 Share Posted June 21, 2016 2 hours ago, Boudrias said: It was pretty obvious that opposing teams knew that playing Van physically, especially in the d-zone, was a winning strategy. I don't think many fans realize how hard a game it becomes facing that most nights. Poor FO% combined with retrieval battles is tough. I am pretty stoked to see how a bigger d-core works this fall. Almost a guarantee that it will improve the zone exit plays and will create space for talent players. Thankfully this season we should see much better push back. Even if we aren't winning every game it will be nice to finally see guys be a little more hesitant when entering our zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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