NaslundLindenBure Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Vancouver: Juulsen,Scherbak or Mccaron?,2016 2nd Montreal: Vrbata, Hamhuis, Subban, 2016 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 So, two of montreals top 3 prospects for 2 ufa's (both of whom are struggling this season) and a longshot prospect? Hamhuis isnt needed at all in Montreal, They're already carrying 8 defencemen on the roster. And lets not forget the cap, You're sending $9.5 m in cap to a team with $2.5m in cap space. Fail all around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 i would think, more like tinordi and a 2nd for vrbata..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 29 minutes ago, qwijibo said: So, two of montreals top 3 prospects for 2 ufa's (both of whom are struggling this season) and a longshot prospect? Hamhuis isnt needed at all in Montreal, They're already carrying 8 defencemen on the roster. And lets not forget the cap, You're sending $9.5 m in cap to a team with $2.5m in cap space. Fail all around This. /thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Gilbert for Vrbata. Montreal takes a risk on Vrbata and uses up most of thier cap space. Vancouver gets a decent 3/4 defenceman to bolster their abysmal defence. Both are UFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 9 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Gilbert for Vrbata. Montreal takes a risk on Vrbata and uses up most of thier cap space. Vancouver gets a decent 3/4 defenceman to bolster their abysmal defence. Both are UFA I don't think it's a trade that Vancouver should consider. As bad as Vrbata has been this season, I think he can pick it up. It would be a mistake to trade him it when his value couldn't be lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Vrbata has been bad. But Vancouver's defence has been a huge issue. This is w hockey trade that potentially addresses both teams needs. Probably add a mid round pick on Montreal's side. But this is the sort of deal Bergevin is known for making Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB72 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 1 hour ago, smithers joe said: i would think, more like tinordi and a 2nd for vrbata..... That sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 We'll probably have to retain $ on Vrrby..his stock is sliding like Oct, 1929. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 would absolutely love Juulsen, I wanted JB to pick him so bad at the draft. Vrbata + Hansen for Juulsen +2nd +3rd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 2 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said: would absolutely love Juulsen, I wanted JB to pick him so bad at the draft. Vrbata + Hansen for Juulsen +2nd +3rd once again. Montreal has $2.5m in cap space and you want top send $7.5m in cap hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 2 hours ago, qwijibo said: once again. Montreal has $2.5m in cap space and you want top send $7.5m in cap hit its called retaining cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 1 hour ago, Canucks Curse said: its called retaining cap Even if Vancouver retains the maximum amount of cap it still doesn't work. Plus. There's zero need for Hansen in Montreal. The deal makes no sense for either team. Do you really expect Vancouver to trade two roster players and essentially go into full rebuild mode when they're still competing for a playoff spot. I said it earlier. The only deal that makes sense for both teams is Vrbata for Gilbert (or possibly emelin) plus a mid round pick. Montreal has a wealth of defence Vancouver's defence is a shambles. And the cap works Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Ellers, Jusilian (bc kid) for Vrbata, Vey or Ellers, Jusilian (bc kid), 2nd Vrbata, Jensen, C Prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Every losing streak the Canucks go on brings such desperation and reaches in the trade proposal section ehhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 40 minutes ago, Rush17 said: Ellers, Jusilian (bc kid) for Vrbata, Vey or Ellers, Jusilian (bc kid), 2nd Vrbata, Jensen, C Prospect. Montreal says no to both offers. doesnt solve their problem on the 2nd line. They need someone to play with Eller and Galchenyuk. Also. You really should learb how to spell the players names correctly. You weren't even close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 22 hours ago, qwijibo said: Gilbert for Vrbata. Montreal takes a risk on Vrbata and uses up most of thier cap space. Vancouver gets a decent 3/4 defenceman to bolster their abysmal defence. Both are UFA "Takes a risk" is entertaining qwib. You can correct other people's proposals all you want, but yours isn't realistic either - you're not getting Vrbata for that. Gilbert does not help this team, is not a 3/4 - he's a third pairing dud with horrible underlying numbers. http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?f1=2015_s&f2=5v5&f5=MTL&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67 The worst asset the Habs have. Weak quality of competition, over 50% ozone starts and terrible possession numbers to go with no production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 17 minutes ago, oldnews said: "Takes a risk" is entertaining qwib. You can correct other people's proposals all you want, but yours isn't realistic either - you're not getting Vrbata for that. Gilbert does not help this team, is not a 3/4 - he's a third pairing dud with horrible underlying numbers. http://www.behindthenet.ca/nhl_statistics.php?f1=2015_s&f2=5v5&f5=MTL&c=0+1+3+5+4+6+7+8+13+14+29+30+32+33+34+45+46+63+67 The worst asset the Habs have. Weak quality of competition, over 50% ozone starts and terrible possession numbers to go with no production. I'd say takes a risk is accurate. They could end up using up their cap space and be left with someone who doesn't help at all. And yes i should have termed Gilbert as a 4/5 guy. He's spent time in Montreal's top 4 of and on the past two seasons. But he's a right handed shot. And far more reliable than Weber. Who has silent time in Vancouver's top 4. I honestly don't think Vrbata has much trade value right now. I'd stand by Gilbert and a 3rd as a reasonable offer. It addresses both teams needs, works under the cap, has no long term cap effects, and Vancouver ends up with a mid round pick to compensate for Vrbata being the better player. I can understand people not thinking it's enough. But then again this forum has a history of expecting huge windfalls from trades then complaining about the actual return for months on end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 15 hours ago, qwijibo said: Montreal says no to both offers. doesnt solve their problem on the 2nd line. They need someone to play with Eller and Galchenyuk. Also. You really should learb how to spell the players names correctly. You weren't even close This is the deep dark trade proposal realm. Spell checking is last thing on my mind lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 So Gallagher is out indefinitely after blocking a Boychuk-blast. Maybe they'd bite on Vrbata about now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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