MoneypuckOverlord Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 A vermette like trade, 1 st round pick take it or leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 59 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: A vermette like trade, 1 st round pick take it or leave it. Considering Montreal doesn't have the cap space for Vrbata and he's being out scored by everyone in Montreal's 3rd line. I'm pretty confident that they'd leave it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Could Vrbata with salary retention work for the Canadiens? He's a UFA at years end so eating cap doesn't really mean much for the Canucks if it ups Vrbata's trade value in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 I want to keep Vrbata instead and trade Burrows and Higgins, then call up Gaunce and Grenier to replace those two checkers. Use the cap space for a D man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 13 hours ago, goalie13 said: Semin is done. If he was included in a deal it would just be as a throw in. thats what she said lol ' throw it in ' bahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 5 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: Could Vrbata with salary retention work for the Canadiens? He's a UFA at years end so eating cap doesn't really mean much for the Canucks if it ups Vrbata's trade value in a trade. The Canucks are right up against the cap not much room to retain any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 10 hours ago, qwijibo said: Considering Montreal doesn't have the cap space for Vrbata and he's being out scored by everyone in Montreal's 3rd line. I'm pretty confident that they'd leave it you got a point on the cap room, but the habs won't look at that. He still scored 30 goals last year, he is still actually averaging the second amount of shots on goal on our team meanwhile without the help of playing with the twins. If habs can't do it, we will ship him out to another team for a 1st rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 2 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: you got a point on the cap room, but the habs won't look at that. He still scored 30 goals last year, he is still actually averaging the second amount of shots on goal on our team meanwhile without the help of playing with the twins. If habs can't do it, we will ship him out to another team for a 1st rounder. If any one is actually willing to pay a 1st for him. He is not a make or break player on any team. At least there was justification for teams to overpay for Vermette, Sekera and Coburn. The Hawks were weak down the middle, meanwhile the Kings and Lightning needed defense desperately. I can see Hamhuis going for a 1st+ but I doubt there will be enough teams desperate for a winger to make the same offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 31 minutes ago, MoneypuckOverlord said: you got a point on the cap room, but the habs won't look at that. He still scored 30 goals last year, he is still actually averaging the second amount of shots on goal on our team meanwhile without the help of playing with the twins. If habs can't do it, we will ship him out to another team for a 1st rounder. I'd be shocked to see him fetch a 1st given his production this year. What he did last year playing with the twins is inconsequential. Look at his career as a whole. He's barely a 20 goal guy on average. He's had a few stand out seasons (last year in particular) but beyond that he's only broken the 20 goal mark 5 times over 14 seasons. Vancouver MAY find someone to pay that price. Vancouver will likely make the playoffs based in tbe ineptitude of half the teams in the division. Given that. If he's moved it's likely to be a hockey trade. He'll be moved to address a team concern. (Such as the need for a top 4 RHD) But by all means. Stick with your dream of a 1st or bust. It'll give you lots to complain about in the inevitable thread that follows that moans about JB getting fleeced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 3 hours ago, qwijibo said: I'd be shocked to see him fetch a 1st given his production this year. hyper short term / small sample thinkng that good NHL GMs don't waste their time engaging in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Certainly has no rugged, PO-warrior rep. Would also be surprised if Vrb fetches a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 12 hours ago, ice orca said: The Canucks are right up against the cap not much room to retain any. If the Canucks are trading Vrbata that means his cap comes off the books. The Canucks would lose the prorated salary of Vrbata's 5 million which would be like 3.7 million if the deal was done today because 22 games have already been played. So the Canucks lose 3.7 on their cap and if they retained 50% of the contract they'd shed 1.85 leaving them with around 2 million in cap space. Again the player being retained would have a prorated salary so the Canucks could essentially pick up a player with a cap hit around 2.5 while still retaining 50% of Vrbata's contract. For a team like Montreal just losing Gallagher for a couple months retaining salary of a player that scored 30 goals just last year and was an all star just last year to help them fit under their small budget could be worth a 1rst round pick. Now remember I said "could" not "should". Just remember Vrbata > Vermette. So Vrbata 50% retained has gotta be >> Vermette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 On 2015-11-23, 2:53:33, goalie13 said: Semin is done. If he was included in a deal it would just be as a throw in. Vrbata is also done, what's your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 18 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: If the Canucks are trading Vrbata that means his cap comes off the books. The Canucks would lose the prorated salary of Vrbata's 5 million which would be like 3.7 million if the deal was done today because 22 games have already been played. So the Canucks lose 3.7 on their cap and if they retained 50% of the contract they'd shed 1.85 leaving them with around 2 million in cap space. Again the player being retained would have a prorated salary so the Canucks could essentially pick up a player with a cap hit around 2.5 while still retaining 50% of Vrbata's contract. For a team like Montreal just losing Gallagher for a couple months retaining salary of a player that scored 30 goals just last year and was an all star just last year to help them fit under their small budget could be worth a 1rst round pick. Now remember I said "could" not "should". Just remember Vrbata > Vermette. So Vrbata 50% retained has gotta be >> Vermette. I like that description of Vrbata: "a player that scored 30 goals just last year and was an all star just last year". The successful teams don't tend to trade for past performance, they trade for current or future perfomance. Vrbata has no more value to a successful team than he has to this team right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 On 24/11/2015, 16:03:45, oldnews said: hyper short term / small sample thinkng that good NHL GMs don't waste their time engaging in. Well considering it would be a short term rental for an aging veteran most "good NHL GMs" would look at this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 2 minutes ago, Ryan Strome said: Well considering it would be a short term rental for an aging veteran most "good NHL GMs" would look at this season. that might make sense to you, but this season has just begun and there's a whole lot of hockey to play - and wadr, no player is judged on 20 games, let alone a veteran like Vrbata who has produced consistently for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 8 hours ago, coastal1 said: Vrbata is also done, what's your point. It doesn't matter if Vrbata is done, the Canucks wouldn't be trading for him. What matters is whether the Canadiens (or any other team) thinks he is done. And if some other team thinks he still has value, I would like to see value in return. I don't want to see a plug for plug deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Thank Jebus he's started scoring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintPatrick33 Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Verby has had plenty of chances this year, taking lots of shots and finally some are going in. Scoring is at a premium in todays NHL, and he still has a great shot and knack for roofing it. He still has value, and scored 30 last year so its not like he is in a career nosedive. He will be worth a rental to a team that needs scoring help. Perhaps the ducks might be a better fit since they love canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 He got off to a slow start but now has some puck luck with 5 points in his last 5 games. To say he has no trade value is crazy. Seriously Vermette can fetch a 1rst and a prospect and half of you think Vrbata won't be able to get anything let alone if the Canucks eat 50% of the contract so literally every team could fit him under their cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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