LuckyLuciano Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Any way to see how many Oiler draft picks that weren't in the first round play in the NHL on a regular basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guntrix Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 21 hours ago, WHL rocks said: And no Canuck fans, you don't become a contender with 2 top 5 picks. It's a long process, 10 years long. TBF, using the Oilers as the sole representation of why tanking doesn't work is basically the same as using that one dumb blonde to state that all blondes are dumb. Tanking CAN work. Tanking HAS worked before in short spurts. Just because the Coilers can't rebuild to save their life doesn't erase the fact that teams like the Hawks, Panthers, Penguins, etc. have successfully acquired their next core players through the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 5 hours ago, LuckyLuciano said: Any way to see how many Oiler draft picks that weren't in the first round play in the NHL on a regular basis? http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005632.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 21 hours ago, WHL rocks said: Other than the Canucks I'd love to see the Oilers win the 1st overall lottery this year. No way we're catching up to their star studded prospects in the next 5+ years anyway, might as well enjoy watching a small market team like the Oil kick ass again. They could trade Mathews and another top piece for a huge haul and I mean huge haul. If they get 2nd overall they take Puljujarvi and have a top tier winger for McDavid for the next 10 years. Trade one of the other more developed pieces to upgrade D and they're on there way. Contenders in 2 years either way, considering where they are in the standings. And no Canuck fans, you don't become a contender with 2 top 5 picks. It's a long process, 10 years long. How prophetic. Rewind a couple years, rinse and repeat, a couple more, rinse and repeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Main prob with the oil is that they rushed players in the lineup that needed a year to three in the minors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Oilers have improved much over last season, in fact, they could still go on a run and get back into the playoffs when McDavid returns. They have won the same amount of games as the Canucks, they just have less 'loser points' They havent had the proper coaching in recent years, and Todd McLellan has made them a much more competitive team. The problem has never been ' having the young guys play too early' , they are just too weak defensively and that has improved as well this season. Klefbom has had injuries, but when he's healthy he is a positive force on the ice. Darnell Nurse is progressing as well, if the Oilers could trade a young forward and pick for another decent two-way defenseman, they could climb the standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleShield Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 On 12/1/2015 at 8:49 AM, HC20.0 said: Yakupov and Eberle will very likely be gone in a year or two, and one of Draisitl, Nuge, or McDavid after, and it ain't gonna be Connor. So if we were offered Nuge for McCann and our 1st this year (potentially quite high), would you do it? Shinkaruk Hopkins Virtanen Baertschi Horvat Lucic (UFA16) Sedin Sedin Boeser Etem Gaunce Vey Kenins Hedman (UFA17) Shattenkirk (UFA17) Hutton Tanev Edler Pedan Sbisa Subban Markstrom Demko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combover Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 This is more of embarrassment than Scott going to the all star game. Talk about a situation that requires a rule. It could even be called the oiler rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HC20.0 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 1 hour ago, EagleShield said: So if we were offered Nuge for McCann and our 1st this year (potentially quite high), would you do it? Shinkaruk Hopkins Virtanen Baertschi Horvat Lucic (UFA16) Sedin Sedin Boeser Etem Gaunce Vey Kenins Hedman (UFA17) Shattenkirk (UFA17) Hutton Tanev Edler Pedan Sbisa Subban Markstrom Demko Hmm. I dunno, it really depends on our draft pick. If we make the playoffs, yes. If not, no. Nuge is good, but I don't want to give up two top prospects for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Is there a rule about how many times a team can draft first overall within a certain time frame? I seem to remember there being one but I can't find anything with a google search. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 41 minutes ago, Wild Sean Monahan said: Is there a rule about how many times a team can draft first overall within a certain time frame? I seem to remember there being one but I can't find anything with a google search. To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing. I believe that's why they changed the odds in the draft lottery, to limit the last place team of having a near sure thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 1 minute ago, Green Building said: To the best of my knowledge, there is no such thing. I believe that's why they changed the odds in the draft lottery, to limit the last place team of having a near sure thing. Hmm..I seem to think there was but I could very well be wrong. I thought it was something like no more than 3 consecutive or 4 in 5 years, something along those lines. If there isn't a rule like this, there should be. It's frustrating to see a franchise continually "rewarded" for a level of ineptitude that I don't believe has ever been paralleled in the 4 major North American pro leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 2 hours ago, EagleShield said: So if we were offered Nuge for McCann and our 1st this year (potentially quite high), would you do it? Shinkaruk Hopkins Virtanen Baertschi Horvat Lucic (UFA16) Sedin Sedin Boeser Etem Gaunce Vey Kenins Hedman (UFA17) Shattenkirk (UFA17) Hutton Tanev Edler Pedan Sbisa Subban Markstrom Demko NO. And where is Sutter? Horvat, Sutter, McCann, Gaunce sounds like good depth down C a few years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 17 hours ago, guntrix said: TBF, using the Oilers as the sole representation of why tanking doesn't work is basically the same as using that one dumb blonde to state that all blondes are dumb. Tanking CAN work. Tanking HAS worked before in short spurts. Just because the Coilers can't rebuild to save their life doesn't erase the fact that teams like the Hawks, Panthers, Penguins, etc. have successfully acquired their next core players through the draft. Of course it works. But it takes a very long time. 10 years isn't out of the ordinary. Oilers selected Hall 1st overall in 2005.That was only 5 years ago. Oilers are no different than other teams you listed. Hawks, Panthers, Penguins all took a very long time. Like I've been saying there are no quick rebuilds, 2 top 5 picks don't make you a contender the 3rd year. It takes 5 years to develop most top picks, even longer for Dmen. Hawks started their rebuild with trading Chelios to Detroit at the trade deadline in1999. They won a Cup in 2010. Duncan Keith is a 2002 pick and Seabrook a 2003. Panthers have 4 top 3 picks in last 6 years and are just emerging. Two 3rds, One 2nd and One 1st. Penguins same thing, they had a top 5 pick in 2002 then got Fleury 1st overall, Malkin 2nd and Crosby 1st Stall 2nd in 4 consecutive drafts. Didn't win till 2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 13, 2016 Share Posted January 13, 2016 On 1/11/2016 at 2:51 AM, guntrix said: Their prospects' raw-ness doesn't stop them from dropping them into the shark tank anyways... that's probably why some of them underachieve. Had Seguin been drafted by the Coilers and Hall by the Bruins, I'd wager that we'd be talking about how Hall is so much better than Seguin. Not much different than what Canucks did with Virtanen and McCann this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Matt_T83 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 The answer to this problem is obvious: Every team that doesn't make the playoffs has an equal chance of drafting 1st-14th. Just completely randomly seed 1-14 draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Angelo Russell Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Flames aren't too far behind either. Would really suck to see either one win the lottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 i think the oilers really need a true captain/mentor for their team eric staal comes to mind as a player who is mature and completely seasoned and likely is available the young players will develop better with better seasoned talent to show them the way (kinda how the canucks have done things this year) that is best development they can expose their young talent to and it likely will take 2 to 3 years to get everyone on the same page and playing to their abilities and then if they add a couple of quality experienced dmen they will be a handful for the the next 10 years they young players have shown they cannot just mature properly on their own even the 80s high flying oilers had a couple of vets who helped steer the young talent until they were ready to handle things on their own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Can't wait for McDavid to come back, don't think I missed a single Oilers game before he got hurt this year. Trade one of Eberle or Hopkins for a top end Dman for next year and get another top tier guy in the draft. Even if they don't get 1st overall Oilers will get top 3 and someone like Puljujarvi at the draft. What a team that's gonna be. Started the rebuild 6 years ago and just stacked with top end talent. Future is bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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