VIC_CITY Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Last night was UGLY. Probably the low point of the season...but I don't think this is a knee jerk reaction. We aren't going anywhere this year and I am 100% ok with that. I want to see our younger guys develop and at the same time, get something of value for our aging vets. It makes no sense to let these guys go for nothing just for the off chance that we can snag a top 3 divisional seed. Baring a drastic turnaround, we are not a top 8 team in the west and I have a really hard time envisioning a scenario where we could win a playoff round. We are too mediocre and it's to be expected given where we are in the rebuild. I know TL and JB want to challenge for a playoff spot and I agree that that's the type of environment that you want to bring our prospects up in but I don't really see that as a reality. This is not our year, so let's put our focus on building for the future and with some additional prospects and potential UFA signings, we could come back stronger next year. So... Higgins - trade for a late 3rd or defensive prospect. Not sure if he is worth that at the moment but it's time to move on. He's great character guy but we need to pass the torch to players like Gaunce who could essentially fill the same role at less than half the salary. Higgins has a NTC but I believe he would waive for a contender if he was told that he was not in our future plans. Hansen - His value is at an all time high right now and could probably fetch a high end prospect or late 1st/early 2nd. He also has a NTC but he strikes me as a guy that just wants to win and would welcome a trade to a team that really valued him and would play him with skilled players. Purely speculation though! Hamhuis - I'm not sure if he'd accept a trade since he clearly loves BC. It may be wiser to wait until closer to the deadline with him since we're so thin on D and his contract will be easier to absorb in a trade. Hammer for a 2nd or solid D prospect. If it's a late 2nd, throw in a bit of a sweetener. Edler - Also better to wait until the deadline but if some other team really values Eddie and is willing to make a solid offer, they can have him. I know he's having a good year points wise but he's not a top pairing d man and he's replaceable. That $5M is better spent elsewhere and he likely has the most trade value out of all of our disposable assets. Rebuild, rebuild, REBUILD! Oh ya, he also has a NTC Vrbata - He just hasn't played with enough heart this year and yes, he is our most skilled forward not named Sedin but he just doesn't have a future on this team and we need to get back an asset for him. Surprise, surprise...Vrby has a NTC as well. We may have to hang onto him until we're closer to the deadline and his salary is more absorbable but pleeeeassseee JB, trade this man! Hard to gage his value right now but he could very well fetch a late 1st if he picks up his scoring. Burrows - Noooooo! I love this man. One of my fave Canucks of all time. I would hate to see him go but I would also consider it if he was willing wave his NTC. There has been some talk about his suitability in Montreal. I'm not really sold on that myself but if he was a fit there, I'd have to think he'd accept a trade. So what's he worth? Hard to say but probably a mid 2nd and a fairly solid prospect. Weber - If we can get a 5th round pick for him, I'd be happy. We got a 5th for Diaz a couple years ago and I think Weber is actually more valuable than Diaz so I can see it happening. BO....HORVAT... - Wait...what? Hear me out. This is clearly a horrible time to trade him since he's having a pretty underwhelming year. But we are pretty stacked at center. There is a clear need for young defensemen and if could get a young, potential top pairing dman in a trade for him then it's something we would have to consider. With Hank, Sutter, McCann, Cracknell, Cassels, we'd still be solid down the middle. Food for thought! Ryan Miller - Trade for Eddie Lack OK so you get the idea. We have a big opportunity to make moves towards building for the future of this organization and the time is right...right now! With the addition of more prospects, draft picks and free agents, we would set ourselves up to be an absolute force for years to come. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Twenty something games into the season and you want to unload bo horvat. Hes been thrust into in a role that is a little over his head at 20 years old, to make matters worse they keep changing his linemates. You say they are stacked down the middle,,..well Hank isnt going to be around forever, Cassels has yet to show he is a legit NHL center, and Cracker is a journeyman. They need Sutter back and they need to bring Bo along on the third and/or maybe even the forth line. He needs some sheltering to get his confidence back. If he was 25 years old and has been playing like this for a couple years then I would maybe give up on him..almost the territory Baertschi is in right now. I know that losing is bad, but geeze guys ....Bo is one of the players that needs to be developed...just like McCann and Virtanen...hes only a year older... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VIC_CITY Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Just now, Darius71 said: Twenty something games into the season and you want to unload bo horvat. Hes been thrust into in a role that is a little over his head at 20 years old, to make matters worse they keep changing his linemates. You say they are stacked down the middle,,..well Hank isnt going to be around forever, Cassels has yet to show he is a legit NHL center, and Cracker is a journeyman. They need Sutter back and they need to bring Bo along on the third and/or maybe even the forth line. He needs some sheltering to get his confidence back. If he was 25 years old and has been playing like this for a couple years then I would maybe give up on him..almost the territory Baertschi is in right now. I know that losing is bad, but geeze guys ....Bo is one of the players that needs to be developed...just like McCann and Virtanen...hes only a year older... I said I'd consider trading Bo for a potential top pairing Dman. You wouldn't consider this? Henrik will be around for another 2 or 3 years at least. McCann is looking like a lock to be a top 6 C, just like Bo was a year ago. If you don't consider trading one of them, you'll have to either move one to the wing or play them at 4C until Henrik retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Horvat is going to replace Henrik - why would you trade him? I'm not interested in a 7 years and going rebuild like the Oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lock Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 We're already retooling and you want to move a 20 year old Horvat? To me, that point alone makes your entire post a bunch of mumbo jumbo. The Op's post is a fine example of someone not knowing how tough it can be to trade players. Lemme guess, you tested this is NHL 2016? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahyoung Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 I like all your moves. Of course predicated on the fact we don't get an even worse player in return. If teams hear we are unloading players en masse they will offer us less in return. The problem with losing is the value of all players is somewhat lower. That being said we have to be chasing opportunities if they arise. If the team just isn't working, we have to keep an open mind about changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Which one is the OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Did you forget your ritalin this morning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 9 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: I said I'd consider trading Bo for a potential top pairing Dman. You wouldn't consider this? Henrik will be around for another 2 or 3 years at least. McCann is looking like a lock to be a top 6 C, just like Bo was a year ago. If you don't consider trading one of them, you'll have to either move one to the wing or play them at 4C until Henrik retires. Even if you put Horvat at 4th line C, in 3 years he is only 23 yrs old. He is part of the new core they need to develop. I agree that they need help on D, but trading a core piece of your youth for a "potential" top D man (not even established) probably isnt the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahyoung Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 The other thing I'll add is, give the team about 15 games after Sutter comes back. They should be much better with him in the lineup. That will let us evaluate the team more clearly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Clearly most of you aren't interested in entertaining the idea of trading Horvat to fill our biggest weakness, defensive prospects. Perhaps you could put some intelligent thought into your responses though, as my suggestion for CONSIDERING trading him is based on the fact that either Horvat or McCann will be moved to the wing or stuck at 4C until Henrik retires. I personally would love to re-sign Cracknell to be our 4C as he's been one of our most consistent players all year. But if you don't want to trade Horvat, that's fine. I understand how lucky we are to have him. I stand by the rest of my post though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJDDawg Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 They still let you post OP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Blow it up might be a bit extreme. However, I'd move anyone on our D not named Hutton (short of a Hutton + for Ekblad or similar trade). Yes, including Edler or Tanev. Our D needs a massive makeover even if it means short term pain re: our first pair. If there's any part of the team that needs blowing up... On forward, the Sedins and Hansen stay for vets. Higgins, Vrbata and even Burrows (though he'd be last as I'm not opposed to keeping him either). I don't move Horvat (or McCann) unless it's in a package for a young 1C (RyJo) and even then I'd think long and hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 3 minutes ago, MJDDawg said: They still let you post OP? Good one. 10/10 for insight and originality. Don't hurt yourself thinking too hard dawg. Love the slang spelling dawg. Your mother must be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWMc1 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 If we get rid of all the vets then our younger players will be even more exposed to potential injury. We need players who have proven they can withstand physical play from some of the bigger rougher teams. The confidence of some of the younger players will be destroyed and their development will be affected negatively. Simply playing all younger players does not automatically equal faster development. They need to be put in situations where they can succeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 27 minutes ago, Heretic said: Horvat id going to replace Henrik - why would you trade him? I'm not interested in a 7 years and going rebuild like the Oilers. Technically the Oilers are still rebuilding because they stacked their forwards and ar still trying to fix their defence. I wouldn't trade Horvat but your argument is a little off base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 31 minutes ago, Heretic said: Horvat id going to replace Henrik - why would you trade him? I'm not interested in a 7 years and going rebuild like the Oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 20 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: Clearly most of you aren't interested in entertaining the idea of trading Horvat to fill our biggest weakness, defensive prospects. Perhaps you could put some intelligent thought into your responses though, as my suggestion for CONSIDERING trading him is based on the fact that either Horvat or McCann will be moved to the wing or stuck at 4C until Henrik retires. I personally would love to re-sign Cracknell to be our 4C as he's been one of our most consistent players all year. But if you don't want to trade Horvat, that's fine. I understand how lucky we are to have him. I stand by the rest of my post though. Or, OR, Sutter would move to the wing as we've already seen this year. Plus if we move Horvat we'd be left with Sutter and McCann (I'll wait to pencil in Cassels until he has some success at the AHL level at least) and a big gap in our future after Henrik moves on. If we moved Horvat for any reason it'd be to upgrade into a younger #1 C with high end skill/offence rather than a D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heretic Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 3 minutes ago, elvis15 said: Technically the Oilers are still rebuilding because they stacked their forwards and ar still trying to fix their defence. I wouldn't trade Horvat but your argument is a little off base. " 7 years and going " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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