thejazz97 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Trade Vrbata, Hamhuis, Prust, Weber, Bartkowski, Higgins - receive approximately two 1sts, a 2nd, and a couple 3rds, and maybe a prospect. Call up Pedan, Subban, Biega, Shinkaruk, Gaunce, Grenier. Let the kids play, Willie. Sedin-Sedin-Hansen Shinkaruk-McCann-Virtanen Burrows-Horvat-Dorsett Baertschi-Gaunce-Grenier Cracknell Edler-Tanev Hutton-Sbisa Subban-Biega Pedan Miller Markstrom Draft Matthews, Fabbro, and whoever else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Mind Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 If Benning could pull that off I'd be impressed. Not counting on it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 That line up would get ripped apart like wet cardboard Jazz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 1 minute ago, Mr.DirtyDangles said: That line up would get ripped apart like wet cardboard Jazz. Our lineup already is getting ripped apart like wet cardboard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted December 7, 2015 Author Share Posted December 7, 2015 Just now, The 5th Line said: So we are going to throw our rookies to the wolves? I thought you knew better than this? Let's change our name to the Vancouver Oilers while we're at it. It would be good NHL experience. I mean, we'd still have some vets that are actually decent. The Oilers never had that. And we'd still have toughness in Sbisa and Dorsett (well, kinda). That's something the Oilers haven't had until recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 15 minutes ago, thejazz97 said: Our lineup already is getting ripped apart like wet cardboard True but the lack of experience with more rooks would be horrific. There would be even less push back in the third then there is now and Willie would have to play the twins for the entire third seeing how he sits the young guns lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatedkid666 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 We would be the worst ever team and our prospects confidence would slaughtered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Trade Vrbata, Hamhuis, Edler, Prust and Higgins Get, Bowey, Gudbranson, 1st, 2nd, Laich Send Virtanen down to WHL. and finish the year with a line up of Sedin-Sedin-Sutter Baertschi-McCann-Hansen Burrows-Horvat-Grenier Gaunce-Cracknell-Dorsett Kenins Hutton-Tanev Sbisa - Gudbranson Pedan-Bowey Sign Yandle in the offseason. Bring Rodin over from Sweden and Tryamkin over from Russia. Look at dealing both Hansen and Burrows for 2017 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Cracknell in for Baers and trade Burr and $ave dollars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 That's essentially Utica's lineup plus the Sedins. I'd rather try and keep 1 or 2 veterans per line and 1 or two kids per line. Keep the good vets, trade the bad ones. Sedin - Sedin - Hansen Baertschi - Sutter - Burrows Shinkaruk - Horvat - Higgins Gaunce - McCann - Dorsett That means Vbrata and Prust are traded. Hopefully combined they can snag us a 1st rounder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Phooey Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 There is nothing original I'm posting, so it is parroting what many have already stated... To me, the only vets that are qualified to be called part of the core are Hank and Daniel. Every other vet looks as bad as they did under Torts, if not worse (except for Hansen). Burrows & Higgins up front, Hamhuis & Edler on the back end have all crapped the bed. Their bounce back year of last season has been followed up by a huge regression year this season. These clowns need to be moved because if they're around, Willie will keep using them, and their play is killing the Canucks. And what can be said about the Czech marshmallow, Vrbata? He needs to go. Bartkowski, the "prize" UFA signing in the off-season, is very much a stiff (no wonder Boston didn't blink an eye and refused to re-sign him). And Weber should be playing in the Swiss League (what, zero goals and four assists from our PP specialist? If it wasn't so laughable, we'd all be crying). $3.25M tied up in these two while taking up roster spots is part of the problem with the Canucks. These seven players or 1/3 of the team have defined the Canucks as a team that is easy to play against. They all need to be purged. If I'm JB, I'd try to get a combination of veterans and draft picks back for these seven clowns disguised as hockey players. I would try to acquire a legit heavyweight to support Prust and Dorsett, who in turn will play 10 times bigger than they have...I would try to get a d-man who is super nasty (a Deryk Engelland-type)...and seeing how none of the forwards listed are providing secondary goal scoring support, try to acquire a player who can do something meaningful with the puck (and yes, I see that Burrows and Vrbata and Higgins are projected to provide 43 goals between the three of them for the season, but they are doing squat most of the time...a combined -25 between them and projected to be -75 for the season...they're sure showing the kids how to play the game right). There's enough kids on the roster...we can't replace all these over-the-hill clowns with more kids. JB needs to get a combo of vet players and picks/prospects if he can. It's obvious none of these old guys trust the younger guys while they're on the ice together. Let these vets go...let the kids play with the sense that they can make mistakes and not have to worry about veteran teammates on their line not trusting them to play the "right way". The personality of the team that has been created by the Sedins is being destroyed by the sensational seven who are anything but sensational. Please Jimmy B...a little roster cleansing of these useless vets would be welcomed. That's my long rant for the night. Thanks for letting me vent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z Hockey Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 Bartkowski has done everything expected of him by Benning, so far. He quickly curls out of his zone and is aggressive on rushing the puck through the neutral zone and he does it well, and he won't be pushed around. I really like him and he deserves at least a 1 year deal, Prust should be brought back too and is important to being a mentor to the youth. Vrbata, Hamhuis, Higgins should go and maybe Weber, although Hansen is one of the veterans playing very well, we might want to look at moving him and more valuable guys like Burrows to get better returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 I like to retain a bit more leadership and experience that that. Either Hamhuis or Higgins should be retained for the leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 18 hours ago, Mr.DirtyDangles said: That line up would get ripped apart like wet cardboard Jazz. While removing that many players from the roster could have a serious effect on the team, it might not be the worst idea. I would do it if it amounted in receiving back the picks suggested. This team is not a threat to anyone. They have very little, if any, urgency or pushback. Out of the players jazz suggested, I can't really look at one who I would classify as a leader in the locker room. Based on how the aforementioned players have been performing, not having them on the roster has about the same effect as trading them, and that is a sorry ass statement on the majority of veterans on this team. It's pathetic, really. These guys should be embarrassed in how they are performing and the example they are setting for Horvat, McCann, Virtanen, Hutton, and the like. There is no excuse for it. I would hope that Benning looks long and hard at trading Edler at the deadline as well. The defense needs a new top 2 pairing, and if Benning can fetch that through a trade, so be it. And lastly, WD is looking more and more like he is losing the room. His willingness to stick with Weber when he has a host of superior choices in Utica is mind numbing. There is truly no feasible way that the Canucks can come back next year with Burrows, Edler, Hamhuis, Higgins, Weber, and Vrbata and think that things are trending in the right direction. These players need to be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 12 hours ago, ajhockey said: I like to retain a bit more leadership and experience that that. Either Hamhuis or Higgins should be retained for the leadership. Why? What leadership are they exhibiting right now on the ice that would be of benefit to the rookies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 2 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Why? What leadership are they exhibiting right now on the ice that would be of benefit to the rookies? I'm just really averse to having a roster that look's like Edmonton's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 19 hours ago, HK Phooey said: There is nothing original I'm posting So why post what we have all read a billions times...again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 22 minutes ago, ajhockey said: I'm just really averse to having a roster that look's like Edmonton's. Totally. The Sedins are good players to learn from and aren't going anywhere. They have provided insight for players like McCann and Virtanen. I'd like to think that when free agency frenzy rolls around, Benning will do his best to sign a couple or three players who possess a willingness to battle (like Desjardins likes to say). Players who will fight for the puck, fight to defend, and fight for each other I think that's what is killing the team right now. The veterans, outside of the Sedins and Hansen, are pathetic. They are an embarrassment to fan base. These kids are watching far too many vets mailing it in and seeing that nothing is done to them, re: benching or sitting out for a game. Therefore if the coaching staff doesn't demand accountability (which let's face it, they don't) those lazy asses keep getting shifts when they don't deserve it. I know a lot of that has to do with Benning failing to address depth issues on this team since taking over, but I think a winning environment is more so one, where even if the team loses, they can take solace in the fact that they tried their hardest and played their asses off. Instead the Canucks presently have a loser environment where players who have been here for years are playing like they couldn't give two shifts, and it's pathetic. And yes the Oilers do suck, but now so do the Canucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Prophet Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 5 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Totally. The Sedins are good players to learn from and aren't going anywhere. They have provided insight for players like McCann and Virtanen. I'd like to think that when free agency frenzy rolls around, Benning will do his best to sign a couple or three players who possess a willingness to battle (like Desjardins likes to say). Players who will fight for the puck, fight to defend, and fight for each other I think that's what is killing the team right now. The veterans, outside of the Sedins and Hansen, are pathetic. They are an embarrassment to fan base. These kids are watching far too many vets mailing it in and seeing that nothing is done to them, re: benching or sitting out for a game. Therefore if the coaching staff doesn't demand accountability (which let's face it, they don't) those lazy asses keep getting shifts when they don't deserve it. I know a lot of that has to do with Benning failing to address depth issues on this team since taking over, but I think a winning environment is more so one, where even if the team loses, they can take solace in the fact that they tried their hardest and played their asses off. Instead the Canucks presently have a loser environment where players who have been here for years are playing like they couldn't give two shifts, and it's pathetic. And yes the Oilers do suck, but now so do the Canucks. It's true that these vets are currently not setting a good example. But that's no reason to throw the rookies to the wolves. You always need veteran presence throughout the lineup, not just two players who are stuck together on the top line. Edmonton realized this error very late. I support trading the older players for future assets, but not in December. I would wait till around trade deadline... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 1 minute ago, Canucks Prophet said: It's true that these vets are currently not setting a good example. But that's no reason to throw the rookies to the wolves. You always need veteran presence throughout the lineup, not just two players who are stuck together on the top line. Edmonton realized this error very late. I support trading the older players for future assets, but not in December. I would wait till around trade deadline... Really as long as Weber is out of the lineup, the team plays better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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