luckylager Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 It's tough to unload a shop full of stale bread ("dayolds") without giving some away. Hard to restock the shelves with nothing in the kitchen. Gillis kinda f$%ked us. That's life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xereau Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 No look low percentage side or back passes. Is a big part of the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 2 hours ago, MJDDawg said: The problem is not "are defence men" or "are" forwards, or "are" goalies. In case you missed the 10 years of amazing hockey this team has just gone through, "are" team is now in a rebuild. Nothing more, nothing less. The actual problems are the expectations of fans of this team at this point in teams' cycle. How can you nitpick when JB is in the midst of trying to transform this team? It's not yet a finished product, so come back to CDC in three years. There'll be more to talk about then. Why do you guys keep saying we are in a "rebuild". Again I have said a rebuild would include a "teardown" in which we have our 3 top dmen(Edler,Tanev and Hamhuis) we have our top line guys(Burrows and the Twins) and we have our vet goalie not to mention Hansen and Higgins. So how have we rebuilt when our core players are still here. A team would have to be foolish to not try to improve their team year after year. So by your guess at the ultimate plan to rebuild what are they going to do with all of the cap space they are going to have next year, put it in the bank for a rainy day. I don`t think this team has admitted that they have made a mistake and so has decided to rebuild their team. How dumb. If you think you have witnessed ``10 years of amazing hockey`` or you do not think our defense is not a problem, you are sadly mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamth Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 i hAVE AN IDEA - i think if we bring big bert back- let convince him we need another torries.. he will make our last 2 lines better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 ^That's a capital idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 11 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said: First, I will point out quickly the problems we most know are problems. Our - are - two different words. OUR school system sucks. ARE you still in school? After the third time it was to painful to read further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 10 hours ago, BanTSN said: Contending teams rely on centers and defensemen. Right now with Sutter out the lineup of centers includes a hall-of-fame vet, a 2nd year player, a rookie, and a career AHLer. Effective minutes for each player: 16mins, 10mins, 8mins, 6mins = 40 mins per game. So even if Sutter were healthy, that's not enough. Clearly this is not good enough to compete for a long stretch of time. To improve you need more effective minutes from the young centers, and so far this isn't happening. It's premature to expect it. As for the defense, we have Edler and Tanev on top of their game. Hamhuis is on the decline and seems disinterested most games now, but he's still top-4 capable. The other top-4 guy has been a mixture of all the others. Weber is a power play specialist who needs to be sheltered. Sbisa is a mistake-prone physical guy. Bartkowski is a low-upside mixed bag. Hutton is an offensive-minded youngster. and Biega is a career AHLer. While a lot of people might view the defense as THE problem, and it's certainly a problem, it's not near as big as the problem we have with our centers. Because of the lack of effective minutes we have up the middle, our defense is being put under too much pressure and is being exposed night after night. What's really telling here is how horrible our pk has gotten. This issue has been the Canucks' achilles heel for years and years. Not enough capable-minutes centermen. Injuries to centermen. And not enough pk-capable centers. It's not really fair to give that task to primarily Horvat, but so far he's been brave with it. Benning is slowly addressing the issue we have with centers through drafts and trades, but results won't be instant. We have some nice center prospects. In the meantime, he cannot afford to forget about our aging defense that's half full of projects instead of prospects. Hutton is a nice surprise, but his true upside is unknown at this point and he's slowing his progress as we run into trouble here in the schedule. Our defensive pool has depth, but whether it's top-4 capable depth is unknown. Discerning what the core will be is a priority, but it's nice to have options. Benning probably should have selected some more defensemen instead of trading 2nd rounders away for project wingers, and he'll need these defensemen to be on a swift development path if he hopes to use them for any run that's carried by this group of young centers we have. This negated your whole opinion for me. The guy has been just short of a revelation since first taking his chance last season. He is not prone to mistakes, keeps it simple, plays the man old school style and chips in with some good offence when the opportunity arises. If indeed he is a career AHLer please can we get some more like him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom_de_plume Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 11 hours ago, Adamth said: i LIKE prust IN HIM I trust THE REST OF THE TEAM IS A bust lol , nicely said i agree with alot of it. Adamth, this post was a little easier to understand. Still had to work for it, but I got it. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom_de_plume Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 11 hours ago, Adamth said: i LIKE prust IN HIM I trust THE REST OF THE TEAM IS A bust lol , nicely said i agree with alot of it. Adamth, this post was a little easier to understand. Still had to work for it, but I got it. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom_de_plume Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 11 hours ago, Adamth said: i LIKE prust IN HIM I trust THE REST OF THE TEAM IS A bust lol , nicely said i agree with alot of it. Adamth, this post was a little easier to understand. Still had to work for it, but I got it. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom_de_plume Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 11 hours ago, Adamth said: i LIKE prust IN HIM I trust THE REST OF THE TEAM IS A bust lol , nicely said i agree with alot of it. Adamth, this post was a little easier to understand. Still had to work for it, but I got it. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom_de_plume Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 11 hours ago, Adamth said: i LIKE prust IN HIM I trust THE REST OF THE TEAM IS A bust lol , nicely said i agree with alot of it. Adamth, this post was a little easier to understand. Still had to work for it, but I got it. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 Dump and chase, drop passes and D are the problem. With Weber out and Biega and Hutton in our D looked far better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 14 hours ago, FlyLow_ said: nece I've been advocating blowing this b*tch up since 2012, when our assets still had real value. Now it would be a much more painful process, but I still desperately hope for it. It is happening through necessity or perhaps Linden and Benning are moving at a speed they think they can get away with. After the 2012 season I was for a serious rebuild. |As you pointed out the assets were only going to become less valuable. It is all about winning a CUP and not about the players. Failure to rebuild simple delays the inevitable and extends the pain over a longer rebuild period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HK Phooey Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 14 hours ago, DIBdaQUIB said: You are right. Look at Chicago. While they really had no choice, they have been re-tooling almost annually be letting high-quality vets go and bringing in new youth. This has kept them competitive whilst also staying young. Nucks waited too long to begin moving contributing vets and now they are on the decline and hold insufficient value to attract top prospects or picks. Add to that the generous contracts for past deeds and NTCs and Gillis left this team in a shambles. Don't have the source but Gillis wanted to start a real rebuild after 2012 but was nixed by ownership. Gillis was not the problem...the Aquilinis were in love with the core and vetoed Gillis' plan that was presented. The only thing Gillis can be blamed for is bad draft picks. During the cup run years, he did what he could to add players that would help win the cup. His limited assets were 2nd and 3rd round picks. He also gave out NTCs like halloween candy because he got players to sign for discounts (though Hansen/Higgins were unneccesary - but they have limited NTCs) -- these are trade offs. And the Ballard and Booth deals at the time they happened looked good. Too bad Ballard had hip issues and Booth was, well, Booth. If you recall Hamhuis hand't signed with the Canucks, and Ballard was a big-minute PMD and everyone was calling for Bieksa to be moved at the time Ballard trade happened. The dark days that we are going through right now should have happened a couple of years ago...it was delayed because the owners didn't want to bite the bullet after 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 I just do not get how people do not listen to what this group has said they will do!We have seen Benning do what he has said and keep the team competitive which we are only two points out of a playoff spot so why are people so pissed?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 15 hours ago, Adamth said: sTARTWITH THE SMALL THINGS MAKE SURE THIS TEAM - doesnt not easily be HAPPY W 1 GOAL- WE HAVE NOT WOn the cup yet LETS do this YOU lazy Canucks!!! dont make yourselves look like you SUCK. What? Wait what's happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmahyoung Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 7 hours ago, alfstonker said: This negated your whole opinion for me. The guy has been just short of a revelation since first taking his chance last season. He is not prone to mistakes, keeps it simple, plays the man old school style and chips in with some good offence when the opportunity arises. If indeed he is a career AHLer please can we get some more like him? Agreed. Biega has been just fine. Solid defensively and will join in on the rush if there is an opportunity. He's playing like he wants to be here, every shift full on effort. This is the kind of guy we need to fill defensive holes on a lethargic team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyLow_ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 5 hours ago, Boudrias said: It is happening through necessity or perhaps Linden and Benning are moving at a speed they think they can get away with. After the 2012 season I was for a serious rebuild. |As you pointed out the assets were only going to become less valuable. It is all about winning a CUP and not about the players. Failure to rebuild simple delays the inevitable and extends the pain over a longer rebuild period. It is just hard for me to believe the Tortellini's will allow it to happen. They've never done anything to indicate building for the future is more important than the money it will cost them. 5 hours ago, cripplereh said: I just do not get how people do not listen to what this group has said they will do!We have seen Benning do what he has said and keep the team competitive which we are only two points out of a playoff spot so why are people so pissed?????? Because some of us would like to see the Canucks win a cup before we die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyLow_ Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 2 hours ago, jmahyoung said: Agreed. Biega has been just fine. Solid defensively and will join in on the rush if there is an opportunity. He's playing like he wants to be here, every shift full on effort. This is the kind of guy we need to fill defensive holes on a lethargic team. You can give me Biega over Bartkowski every day of the week. All he does is skate past everyone then throw the puck in someone's feet. Doesn't seem to matter what jersey they are wearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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