aqua59 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 9 hours ago, ruilin96 said: not a fan of Weber and I don't like him in the line-up but there is no need of any more other "bash-our-players" thread. Show the guys some respect and at the end of the day they are all Canucks and we are all Canucks fans. Ya right, lets shield every one from the truth, whats a forum for? Weber sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 If not Weber....who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Just now, TheGuardian said: If not Weber....who? Back in the offseason when we were 1.5 million richer? .....................Anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, TheGuardian said: If not Weber....who? Seriously, anyone from the farm team would do at this point. That second goal last night showed how much of a detriment he is to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 3 minutes ago, EdgarM said: Seriously, anyone from the farm team would do at this point. That second goal last night showed how much of a detriment he is to the team. Let's look at some of Weber's positives: ummmmm.... ummmmm... His laces were done up nicely. His sticks were taped up to all match. ummmmmmmmmmm..... ummmmmmmm.... He makes are really good Suisse chocolate fondue. ummmmmmm.... ummmmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Let's look at some of Weber's positives: ummmmm.... ummmmm... His laces were done up nicely. His sticks were taped up to all match. ummmmmmmmmmm..... ummmmmmmm.... He makes are really good Suisse chocolate fondue. ummmmmmm.... ummmmmmm.... Well at the beginning of the season it was "well he has a hard shot" now its like" well he didn't cost us that much" or his "contract is not that long". Some people will never admit they were wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucknalberta Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The whole defensive unit collectively are not playing as top 6, let alone Weber. One could argue that he is not big enough to play physical so he must be there to contribute offensively...but he is not doing that either. Biega is roughly the same size but plays a physical game and finishes checks (seems to be the only one over the past few games). Karlson in Ottawa does not play a physical game but contributes offensively. As it has been noted on here usually when a goal goes in there our defenders are fishing for the puck or trying to play goal behind miller instead of punishing the other teams forwards. Until we actually get a "mean" attitude in our own zone these threads of frustration will be never ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Just now, EdgarM said: Well at the beginning of the season it was "well he has a hard shot" now its like" well he didn't cost us that much" or his "contract is not that long". Some people will never admit they were wrong. Yup. He's pretty much just a warm body out there. I would rather a tough D man played his minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nom_de_plume Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 56 minutes ago, elvis15 said: Because aliens - I mean, injuries. Having Hamhuis and Sbisa out injured (combined with a lack of right handed shots) tends to leave some pretty big holes. As much as you'd like to call people up from the farm at a whim, there's a reason you have a #7 depth D-man like Weber. You just have to play him until you can upgrade and/or are healthy again. That can be said now... Before Hamhuis' injury, not so much. And why not give the guys on the farm a chance? It couldn't be any worse than Weber could it? In fact, someone might surprise in the meantime. With Weber we know what we're getting, or not getting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 1 minute ago, nom_de_plume said: That can be said now... Before Hamhuis' injury, not so much. And why not give the guys on the farm a chance? It couldn't be any worse than Weber could it? In fact, someone might surprise in the meantime. With Weber we know what we're getting, or not getting... Yes they could be worse.....way worse for all we know. Then WD will have to shorten the bench and go with 5 d-men and well you can pretty much assume how that will go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patchoball Cannons Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I am not one of the people in our fanbase looking for a scapegoat every time we lose. I like Edler and Hamhuis, Tanev and Sbisa. Do they make some bad mistakes out there? Sure, but so do most of the top 4 D men in the league, their mistakes just aren't as amplified as we seem to do in this market. But Yanick Weber has been brutal all year, I can pick the good plays he makes about as frequently as I can find bad plays others have made. There was 1 game I can remember all year where I thought he looked good out there and that was the 2-1 loss to La on our last road trip. Other than that I've seen nothing from him that shows he's an NHL defenseman. He gets pushed around by rookies, he jumps into the play at the worst times, and doesn't create anything offensively. He's apparently out there for his shot, yet never gets it through, and is being outscored by a guy in Bartkowski, who before this year never had scored in the NHL, he is not helping us win and he costs us games. Maybe Pedan isn't ready yet, but he can't be worse than Weber has been, and at least he bring some toughness to our back end. I'd rather fail with Pedan than with Weber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 We don't have that shut down pair...we have some D that don't make errors but don't make a difference either...Honestly Bart is my new fav..his stick handling skillz into the offensive zone is NOICE~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the harry Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The fanbase here is quite harsh, but that's ok for me. I would prefer to talk about the things the players doing right and not always about their mistakes, but in Webers case, well, he plays bad this year, obviously worse than previous years. Don't know the reason why. But it isn't the end of the world, we are all human and the players too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 1 hour ago, EdgarM said: Biega and Hutton have already outplayed him. I would bet that if they bring up one of the other AHLer's they will do the same. See a pattern here? Biega's playing, as is Hutton even though he's on the left side and has no impact on Weber anyway. If you have a player on your roster an only so much room to make call ups, then at some point you can't make any more call ups and have to play him. You also don't want to disrupt your farm team any more than you already have just because your depth defenceman is having a tough go. Also, a sample size of two is not a pattern. You're seeing a pattern where there isn't necessarily one, especially when our quality of depth at the AHL level starts to drop the deeper we get into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 42 minutes ago, nom_de_plume said: That can be said now... Before Hamhuis' injury, not so much. And why not give the guys on the farm a chance? It couldn't be any worse than Weber could it? In fact, someone might surprise in the meantime. With Weber we know what we're getting, or not getting... Even before Hamhuis' injury there was the lack of right handed D. I mentioned that but you ignored it in your response. Sbisa was playing right side ahead of Weber, and Weber has played in 2/3rds of our games out of necessity as a result of the lack of options. We've been able to call up Biega due to injuries and he's been good in his small sample of games, but we got goals out of Weber last year, which we didn't out of Biega, and we needed help offensively so it was worth giving Weber a try. As I already said, you have a roster of so many players and can only make so many call ups. You take advantage when there are injuries, but you still have to use your depth players from the roster. But really it's all moot in light of the larger point - we're a transition team and can afford to use Weber for now. Will we be looking to upgrade? Absolutely, but does this really need a dedicated bashing thread for a player in Weber's position? I understand Edler, even if any semblance of reason in the main post for that was pretty much a farce, but Weber? C'mon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 37 minutes ago, Patchoball Cannons said: I am not one of the people in our fanbase looking for a scapegoat every time we lose. I like Edler and Hamhuis, Tanev and Sbisa. Do they make some bad mistakes out there? Sure, but so do most of the top 4 D men in the league, their mistakes just aren't as amplified as we seem to do in this market. But Yanick Weber has been brutal all year, I can pick the good plays he makes about as frequently as I can find bad plays others have made. There was 1 game I can remember all year where I thought he looked good out there and that was the 2-1 loss to La on our last road trip. Other than that I've seen nothing from him that shows he's an NHL defenseman. He gets pushed around by rookies, he jumps into the play at the worst times, and doesn't create anything offensively. He's apparently out there for his shot, yet never gets it through, and is being outscored by a guy in Bartkowski, who before this year never had scored in the NHL, he is not helping us win and he costs us games. Maybe Pedan isn't ready yet, but he can't be worse than Weber has been, and at least he bring some toughness to our back end. I'd rather fail with Pedan than with Weber. And did you notice as soon as Weber was removed from the lineup, how much better and more confident the defensemen played? He's a sieve at the best of times. He has to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Prophet Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 9 hours ago, RRypien37 said: People need to remember he is a #7 guy at best. An occasional fill in and PP specialist. NOTHING more than that. Not his fault WD is set on putting him constantly in the line up and mostly in the top 4. He should be playing ONLY when injuries occur. Don't blame Weber, blame WD for playing him and JB for giving him an extension....and an overpaid one at that. Seriously? Last time I checked, both parties are involved in contract signings. I think it's fair to assume that before resigning him, Benning told Weber what his expectations were. So far, I would say Weber has failed in every single expectation that has been set out for him. He's a NHL player, he's expected to perform at an NHL level at the bare minimum. Stop defending players who don't deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 time to move on from him via trade or let him walk. Need some more grit for the spot he fills imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 35 minutes ago, elvis15 said: Biega's playing, as is Hutton even though he's on the left side and has no impact on Weber anyway. If you have a player on your roster an only so much room to make call ups, then at some point you can't make any more call ups and have to play him. You also don't want to disrupt your farm team any more than you already have just because your depth defenceman is having a tough go. Also, a sample size of two is not a pattern. You're seeing a pattern where there isn't necessarily one, especially when our quality of depth at the AHL level starts to drop the deeper we get into it. "Disrupt the farm team" is your excuse now? The pattern is that our "rookies" our outplaying him no matter how many of them there are. You just need to admit that you are wrong and Weber is just a plain awful hockey player no matter what kind of spin you want to put on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 29 minutes ago, elvis15 said: Even before Hamhuis' injury there was the lack of right handed D. I mentioned that but you ignored it in your response. Sbisa was playing right side ahead of Weber, and Weber has played in 2/3rds of our games out of necessity as a result of the lack of options. We've been able to call up Biega due to injuries and he's been good in his small sample of games, but we got goals out of Weber last year, which we didn't out of Biega, and we needed help offensively so it was worth giving Weber a try. As I already said, you have a roster of so many players and can only make so many call ups. You take advantage when there are injuries, but you still have to use your depth players from the roster. But really it's all moot in light of the larger point - we're a transition team and can afford to use Weber for now. Will we be looking to upgrade? Absolutely, but does this really need a dedicated bashing thread for a player in Weber's position? I understand Edler, even if any semblance of reason in the main post for that was pretty much a farce, but Weber? C'mon. No I think he is last years Vey in that JB is not willing to admit he made a mistake and is hoping he is going to miraculously turn into an offensive Dman. Since he has started his career in the NHL, he has always been a -minus player. Nothing indicated he was going to be defensively responsible and being offensive was going to be his only assett. 4 points and 0 goals in 22 games? I would say that its a fail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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