canuckistani Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Looking at Islanders, they have 6.1 million in cap space available. Now, if Harmonic really wants out, what would be his value ? If we did something like this: To Vancouver: Hamonic To Islanders: Hamhuis ( 1.5 million retained), Sbisa, Baertschi Is that a comparable deal ? PS: I know its a right handed D for 2 left handed D but the argument is, there are plenty of right handed Ds available at this UFA, plus it leaves NYI with 2 million in capspace (accommodating Sbisa and Baertchi). Thoughts ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I was always thinking Hamhuis + Higgins + 2nd for Hamonic was pretty fair. Hamonic is essentially a 25 year old, physical, shutdown defenceman playing top pairing minutes on a relatively deep NYI team which tells you how good he is. Doesn't bring much offence though which hurts his trade value, but he's EXACTLY what the Canucks need on the right side to complement their younger, puck moving defencemen (in paticular Hutton but also Bartkowski to some extent). NYI want a top-4 defenceman back to replace Hamonic's minutes at the least. That's why Hamhuis + Higgins + 2nd works perfectly. Hamhuis replaces Hamonic's minutes this season. Because of the age discrepency and the fact that Hamhuis is a UFA, we give a 2nd to replace future losses which I think is pretty fair for a 25 year old defenceman. Then throw in Higgins for the difference in value between an ageing Hamhuis and a prime Hamonic. The Islanders get current value in Hamhuis + Higgins for their Cup run and future value in the 2nd for what they lose in Hamonic's next few years. To be honest I'd still be willing to wait until Hamhuis returns from injury (hopefully before the TD) and make the trade then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockhart Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Hamhuis won't have that much trade value. 3rd pairing on most teams and will be coming off a long term injury. He hasn't been good this year either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 56 minutes ago, canuckistani said: Looking at Islanders, they have 6.1 million in cap space available. Now, if Harmonic really wants out, what would be his value ? If we did something like this: To Vancouver: Hamonic To Islanders: Hamhuis ( 1.5 million retained), Sbisa, Baertschi Is that a comparable deal ? PS: I know its a right handed D for 2 left handed D but the argument is, there are plenty of right handed Ds available at this UFA, plus it leaves NYI with 2 million in capspace (accommodating Sbisa and Baertchi). Thoughts ? Quantity does not equal quality. Maybe Sbisa would work if we really added a top piece, but if they're already rumoured to have asked for Tanev plus a prospect like Horvat, Virtanen or Shinkaruk then the '+' for Sbisa would have to be sweetened a little more. Also, the Isles have Leddy and DeHaan in their top four left side. They might look at a positive upgrade like Edler on that side, but aren't likely to just take on equal or depth players in comparison and clog that side up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 and how would you feel about either of these deals which include hamhuis if you were the islanders and strongly suspected he will go the free agency route and resign with the canucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coastal1 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I would do Tanev and Horvat. Tanev for Hamonic would not be enough so we add Horvath who still has some value based on last year. Fact is, centers that can't check, win face-offs or score are not that hard to replace. Maybe the Isles bite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 To NYI Hamhuis Higgins 2nd To VAN Hamonic It may seem like a little much but Haminoc is exactly the young D we need. Wouldnt mind rolling this D for a while Edler Tanev Hutton Hamonic Sbisa Bartkowski Biega Weber That top 4 would look real good. If i were Benning i would be on the phone with the Islanders. If the Hamhuis injury prevents it i would offer Sbisa+weber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 21 minutes ago, McHortanen said: To NYI Hamhuis Higgins 2nd To VAN Hamonic It may seem like a little much but Haminoc is exactly the young D we need. Wouldnt mind rolling this D for a while Edler Tanev Hutton Hamonic Sbisa Bartkowski Biega Weber That top 4 would look real good. If i were Benning i would be on the phone with the Islanders. If the Hamhuis injury prevents it i would offer Sbisa+weber 2 inept UFA-to-be (included one that may have played his last NHL game) and a second round pick for an established young defenceman signed longterm at a good contract! That is so far from reality, it is a TOTAL waste of time to propose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Just now, coastal1 said: 2 inept UFA-to-be (included one that may have played his last NHL game) and a second round pick for an established young defenceman signed longterm at a good contract! That is so far from reality, it is a TOTAL worth of time to propose it. Higgins would deffiently resign in his home town. And hamhuis will not retire lol. I dont believe that for a 2nd. And if it was an issue throw in Subban to make up for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 Just now, McHortanen said: Higgins would deffiently resign in his home town. And hamhuis will not retire lol. I dont believe that for a 2nd. And if it was an issue throw in Subban to make up for it Higgins is way past his usefulness, Hamhuis may not have a choice, and bottom line is, those two together represent a negative value in that their performance is far below their cap space. The Islanders are looking for a Nurse type return. So I say Tanev and Horvat to take advantage of the little value that Horvat still has. In another year or two, it may be too late to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hortankin Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 2 hours ago, coastal1 said: Higgins is way past his usefulness, Hamhuis may not have a choice, and bottom line is, those two together represent a negative value in that their performance is far below their cap space. The Islanders are looking for a Nurse type return. So I say Tanev and Horvat to take advantage of the little value that Horvat still has. In another year or two, it may be too late to trade him. U are insane. Horvat is a beast, little value? Im not even going to get into that. Do your research on sophomore slumps and then talk to me. A lot of great players have gone through it. Horvat is going to be a major reason for us winning our 1st cup. Just wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 3 hours ago, coastal1 said: Higgins is way past his usefulness, Hamhuis may not have a choice, and bottom line is, those two together represent a negative value in that their performance is far below their cap space. The Islanders are looking for a Nurse type return. So I say Tanev and Horvat to take advantage of the little value that Horvat still has. In another year or two, it may be too late to trade him. Are you serious? One bad year on an awful team and suddenly he's worthless? I think you'd be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 2 hours ago, McHortanen said: U are insane. Horvat is a beast, little value? Im not even going to get into that. Do your research on sophomore slumps and then talk to me. A lot of great players have gone through it. Horvat is going to be a major reason for us winning our 1st cup. Just wait and see OK, we will wait and see. How long? Horvat a beast! 2 goals in 31 games, minus 14, which puts him #741 in the league in +/-. Some beast. Just to compare to another beast that has taken his team to the Cup, Toews had 24 goals in his first year, and in his sophomore slump, he only got 34. Horvat can't check and he can't score. I am not clear what kind of beast that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 instead of Hamhuis put Weber in there and add a 4th! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 13 hours ago, cripplereh said: instead of Hamhuis put Weber in there and add a 4th! This is all so so so far from what will get a deal done. First of all, it has to include Tanev. Then you can discuss what to add and it can't be a reject because that actually is negative value (taken cap scpace). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neutral Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 ideally edler is involved some how, but even moving tanev for him I think is best for the team. Over pay with edler though with adding something to him to get hamonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 14 hours ago, cripplereh said: instead of Hamhuis put Weber in there and add a 4th! Or we could just strap Weber to a rocket ship and bid farewell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal1 Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 3 hours ago, PhillipBlunt said: Or we could just strap Weber to a rocket ship and bid farewell. but what would that say about the GM that just signed him last summer. Or about the team president that just hired that GM the summer before? Don't you trust that they know more about hockey than you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 7 minutes ago, coastal1 said: but what would that say about the GM that just signed him last summer. Or about the team president that just hired that GM the summer before? Don't you trust that they know more about hockey than you?? It would say that they somehow managed to commandeer a rocket ship legally and that they were also able to circumvent federal laws in Canada pertaining to human rights and freedoms regarding high speed travel on the exterior of said rocket ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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