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6 minutes ago, MovesLikeDatsyuk said:

Look at Washington's D. Look at Chi's D. That would be a big reason why.

Definitely. Washington also has s better goalie though. 

All I'm saying is winning matters and Stammer hasn't done it. He's got a good defense, scoring depth, and solid goaltending yet he hasn't won (though some of that supporting cast are more recent developments). Across all sports some guys win more than others despite being less talented than their peers while others never win despite possessing greater talent, or even equal/superior teams. I'll take championships over scoring titles any day.

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3 hours ago, DeNiro said:

I hope Toronto loses a pick for tampering and don't end up getting Stamkos. This is ridiculous.

It's obvious the Leafs use TSN for their own agenda. They've been doing it for years.

in other news, corrado played his FIRST game of the season TODAY.


They love walking that line

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41 minutes ago, Wild Sean Monahan said:

I'd agree he's slightly overrated, but what I said there, would you not agree it's true? He's the best player on the best team. He flat out wins, it's seemingly followed him everywhere he's gone. Ovechkin is definitely a more talented player but hasn't been able to win in the NHL, for one example. 

Toews hasn't been the best player on the Hawks this year. We all know who that is. In fact I would say this is probably the worst start he has had in the past few years. I would still pay him the money but if you are arguing players not living up to their contracts, Toews would be option #2 right after Voracek at #1.

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9 minutes ago, Toews said:

Toews hasn't been the best player on the Hawks this year. We all know who that is. In fact I would say this is probably the worst start he has had in the past few years. I would still pay him the money but if you are arguing players not living up to their contracts, Toews would be option #2 right after Voracek at #1.

Yeah doesn't he have only like 20 points? Over the framework of their entire careers though, toews is their guy.

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15 hours ago, CanuckGAME said:

I'm not even that big of a fan of Stamkos... there are literally 20 players I'd take over him. But come on the logic of your post is absolutely ridiculous...  "if Gretzky couldn't bring a cup to LA Stamkos won't bring one to Toronto" like WHAT???  


I don't care about the Leafs, have no like or dislike towards them, but if they can add Stamkos for absolutely nothing given up in return, they instantly become a much better team up front.

Yeah idk why ythe fact that he WON'T singlehandedly bring him the Cup somehow makes it a bad move.  He's a star player in his prine, adding him would be a no brainer.

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17 hours ago, Gstank29 said:

Toronto is delusional thinking Stamkos would go to them. I mean seriously there are 29 other teams in the NHL and about 20 of them have a better chance at the cup than Toronto

You're delusional to think that Stamkos doesn't want to go to Toronto. I understand your hate for the Leafs but if there is one place to play that makes sense, it's Toronto, for the sheer fact that Babcock is the coach.

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11 minutes ago, Me_ said:

You're delusional to think that Stamkos doesn't want to go to Toronto. I understand your hate for the Leafs but if there is one place to play that makes sense, it's Toronto, for the sheer fact that Babcock is the coach.

Are you serious? If so lol

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Stamageddon breezed in and out of Toronto this week. We all managed to survive it.

So, now what?

In all likelihood, not much.

As in, literally not much at all.

If there is one take-away for me from a week or so of Stammeramain the self-proclaimed Centre of the Hockey Universe, it is as follows:

Steven Stamkos won't be playing for the Tampa Bay Lightning next season.

I can't say that ‎unequivocally, with 100 per cent, dead-set certainty, because, you know, never say never, there's always a chance, blah blah blah...

But c'mon, if Stamkos and the Bolts were going to live happily ever after they'd be at least a little cozied up by now, sort of like where it currently stands with Anze Kopitar and the Los Angeles Kings.

Stamkos and the Lightning aren't even holding hands.  ‎Absent a lightning bolt out of the blue, they're not going to either.

What's interesting for me now is how they will go about going their separate ways.

In the short term, their respective self-interests are somewhat aligned.

Stamkos needs to play better.

He was mostly invisible in Tampa's 5-4 overtime win in Toronto. He has only two goals in his last 14 games and none in his last 10. The 25-year-old doesn't look like himself at all.

Some might suggest he's not been the same player since he broke his tibia on Nov. 11, 2013, but that would conveniently overlook his 43 goals and 72 points last season.

Whatever is ailing him now, or in an uneven playoff performance last spring, his interests and those of the Lightning are best served by him re-discovering his form.

He's basically auditioning for July 1.‎ The better he plays, the more he increases his value and the number of teams interested in signing him. 

As for the Lightning, coach Jon Cooper noted after the Toronto game they are 8-4 in their last 12 games without any measurable goal contribution from the captain‎. He said it a little nicer than that, but point taken. To say nothing of the fact the Lightning has also been decimated with injuries lately.

They're just barely below the playoff line in the Eastern Conference, so imagine where they might get to if Stamkos starts scoring like he can and they get healthy.

If Tampa isn't going to sign Stamkos, or at least get fully engaged in talks towards that end, the Lightning have three options:

1. Trade him as a rental on or before the Feb. 29 trade deadline. Grab a first-round pick and a prospect or two — the going rental rates at the deadline — and move on. 

2. Sign and trade Stamkos. 

It is, by hockey standards, an unconventional approach, but if Stamkos did designate a favoured landing spot, Tampa could do a contract extension on behalf of the new team and trade him there, presumably for a higher trade yield than rental prices. 

3. ‎Don't trade Stamkos and play it out; go as far and as deep as they can with him in their lineup and then bid him adieu in the off-season, taking his current $7.5 million in cap space, or the $9 to $11 million they might've paid him, and spend it elsewhere next season.

Of course, the Bolts are not masters of their own destiny in the first two of those three options. 

Stamkos has full no-movement and no-trade clauses. He isn't going anywhere before the trade deadline unless he wants to engineer his own departure. It seems doubtful he would go down that road, but no sense speculating. It's too early. 

The only advantage to the sign-and-trade for Stamkos is that he can get an eight-year deal from Tampa, a seven-year deal from anyone else on July 1. Does that even matter to him? Beyond that, is there any advantage to picking a new home by Feb. 29 instead of July 1?

And, realistically, what team is going to give up significant players and/or draft pick assets to Tampa before Feb. 29 when it could just sign him on July 1 with an acquisition price of gratis?

Nevertheless, it will still be fascinating to see if Tampa approaches Stamkos on either of the rental trade or sign-and-trade scenarios.

The presumption is Tampa is more likely to play out the rest of the season with Stamkos in the lineup. Again, though, it’s probably too soon to say.

So, for now, it should be a whole lot of status quo (nothing), outside of the ongoing speculation of not only what both parties will do prior to Feb. 29, but what Stamkos may do come July 1.

Leaf fans, and perhaps the team's hierarchy, get giddy at the prospect of a local boy and star of that stature ‎possibly coming home.

But this whole Stamkos-to-Toronto-as-a-foregone-conclusion‎ thing has gotten way out of hand. If Stamkos goes to free agency, the NHL is his oyster.

I said on radio yesterday he would be a great fit in Montreal or Nashville, only to illustrate the point is he'll have many options. Not every team is able to take him, logistically or financially, but there'll no shortage of choice.

There has been all sorts of speculation Stamkos will be looking for mega-millions, potentially more than Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane at $10.5 million AAV. I don't necessarily buy that money will be the primary motivation here.

I never say "it's not about the money" because, in some form or another, it often is. And I don't doubt his agent Don Meehan will ask for the sun, moon and stars. Who wouldn't with a 26-year-old free agent with those skills?

But anyone who knows Stamkos even a bit is aware there are many other important considerations and, depending on location, his decision is likely to be a moving target combination of multiple factors:

- Intangible value. How he feels about the coach and how the coach feels about him? What position is he playing - centre or right wing?‎ Role? Minutes? Does he get that warm and fuzzy feeling?

- Tangible value. How much money?

- Contending status. Right there?‎ On the way up? No shot?

- Traditional hockey market. If he leaves a non-traditional locale (Tampa), would he prefer a more traditional market? Original Six? Canadian?

- Proximity to family and friends.‎ Drop a pin on Toronto and work your way out from there. 

Doing the free-agent dance‎ in the summer gives Stamkos the most options and allows him to use a sliding scale of the above factors to weigh his decision. Teams that otherwise couldn't afford him or not make it fit in-season could get into the game at the draft or July 1.

It's way too early to presume which franchises would/could/should have interest in Stamkos and/or vice versa. But let's throw some fertilizer, and it's just that, against the wall:

Buffalo? The Sabres expressed interest before last summer's draft and it's a rebuilding franchise with a desire to make bold moves.

Detroit? Pav and Z aren't getting any younger. Wings' GM Kenny Holland could harken back to the good, old (pre-salary cap) days and find the money to go UFA shopping.

Edmonton? Not sure how the Oilers could shoe-horn Stamkos money into McDavid/Hall/Draisaitl et al money, to say nothing of what they would do with Ryan Nugent-Hopkins or others, but dare to dream of the possibilities. 

Montreal? Sure, why not. Price, Subban, Stamkos, nice trio to build around. Cap complications? Probably, but Stamkos would address a need.

Nashville? Not a traditional hockey market, maybe not as close to contending status as one might like but a No. 1 offensive centre‎ may go a long way towards remedying that. 

New York Rangers? The Blueshirts have some financial shackles, but for the right player at the right price, moves could be made.

St. Louis? I can think of a lot of reasons why it couldn't happen but I can think of one - trying to beat Chicago - that it could.

Toronto? Did you know this is where Stamkos grew up?

We could play this game all day. I guess, in interests of accuracy, because no doors have been slammed shut just yet, we have to also include Tampa as a possibility. I hear taxes are very low there.

In the meantime, we wait and we wonder.

When is the next Leafs-Lightning game in Toronto anyway?

Feb. 29. Trade Deadline Day. 



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I let myself believe. 

Anyone who says the Leafs shouldn't sign Stamkos is a blooming idiot though. There is a massive difference between shelling out millions for a guy like Clarkson who will never win you a game and a guy like Stammer. 

There is no reason not to attempt to get that type of player, for free. 

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I guarantee if the Canucks pulled the same tactics with signing Lucic we'd get charged for tampering.

I can't believe Toronto is still doing this. Didn't they learn their lesson with the Sedins? If I'm Yzerman I'm filing tampering charges against the Leafs. It's pretty obvious they're using the media to do their bidding.


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