coastal1 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 10 minutes ago, RyIe said: The team can barely contend for a playoff spot. What's the harm in letting some new guys play? The team is 2 points out of a playoff spot despite some serious injury setback. And you want to give roster spots to players that have not earned them for what purpose exactly? Why are people wanting Virtanen off this team now ( send him to the World Juniors and then to junior!!)? Because he is not good enough for the team at this point, has not earned a spot. That is the harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyIe Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 3 hours ago, coastal1 said: The team is 2 points out of a playoff spot despite some serious injury setback. And you want to give roster spots to players that have not earned them for what purpose exactly? Why are people wanting Virtanen off this team now ( send him to the World Juniors and then to junior!!)? Because he is not good enough for the team at this point, has not earned a spot. That is the harm. 2 points due to a weak pacific. And the fact that other teams have played 2-3 games less, 4 for Anahiem. So I guess if you call hoping other teams lose, contending for a spot you're completely accurate. Sure we might sneak in, but the team just doesn't have the personnel or assets to make getting into the playoffs worth while. We'd be better served in the longrun to get a high draft pick. I want to give a roster spot to Grenier or Jensen because this team has a dearth of experienced players in their mid 20s. Other than Tanev, Sbisa and Sutter there arent any with 200+ games under their belt. When guys like Higgins, Vrvata and Burrows get traded or don't get resigned I'd rather have someone from Utica take over who has a bit of NHL experience. I'd rather not ice a team of rookies like Edmonton, especially since ours are significantly less talented. As for Virtanen, he himself admitted that he made the team because Higgins was injured early in the preseason. How has Virtanen earned his roster spot over Gaunce who outplayed him in the preseason or Grenier who has steadily increased his point production in the AHL? Until Benning can clear some contracts, its better for Virtanen to play as much as he can instead of sitting in the press box every other game. The only place that can happen is at WJ and Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Whats all this "Higgins is great on the PK and defensively" BS? Does anyone actually watch him play? I was focused on him on that first Detroit goal, he was out on the right face off circle, never moved more than 2 feet the whole shift, had two chances to get the puck off Detroit players, but again, waved his stick instead of going after them, he waited for another Canuck player (think it was Bear) to do it. He literally did nothing but stand there that whole shift. Now tell me he's a veteran that is great defensively and on the PK. The GM and Coach should be seeing this lack of any try from him and either sit him or send him to the AHL or they're not doing their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CeeBee51 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Either Higgins is over the hill, playing injured, lost his mojo or wants out of Vancouver. The Alien kidnapping thing is the only other possibility and I'm not buying it just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiboynux4lifee******* Posted December 19, 2015 Author Share Posted December 19, 2015 that shoot out attempt by Higgins was nothing more then comedy for me to watch. need a guy like this https://streamable.com/kjet https://streamable.com/fntw he is ready for his shot, but will only get a chance due to injury, which is unfair just look at Beiga, we wouldn't of known how good Biega could be. Management needs to be more fair with the guys in the farm who are paying there dues for roster spots in the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 2 hours ago, CeeBee51 said: Either Higgins is over the hill, playing injured, lost his mojo or wants out of Vancouver. The Alien kidnapping thing is the only other possibility and I'm not buying it just yet. Union member to a tee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 12 hours ago, RyIe said: 2 points due to a weak pacific. And the fact that other teams have played 2-3 games less, 4 for Anahiem. So I guess if you call hoping other teams lose, contending for a spot you're completely accurate. Sure we might sneak in, but the team just doesn't have the personnel or assets to make getting into the playoffs worth while. We'd be better served in the longrun to get a high draft pick. I want to give a roster spot to Grenier or Jensen because this team has a dearth of experienced players in their mid 20s. Other than Tanev, Sbisa and Sutter there arent any with 200+ games under their belt. When guys like Higgins, Vrvata and Burrows get traded or don't get resigned I'd rather have someone from Utica take over who has a bit of NHL experience. I'd rather not ice a team of rookies like Edmonton, especially since ours are significantly less talented. As for Virtanen, he himself admitted that he made the team because Higgins was injured early in the preseason. How has Virtanen earned his roster spot over Gaunce who outplayed him in the preseason or Grenier who has steadily increased his point production in the AHL? Until Benning can clear some contracts, its better for Virtanen to play as much as he can instead of sitting in the press box every other game. The only place that can happen is at WJ and Jr. My comment would be that this season is all about ice time for younger players who as you suggest need NHL experience. The decision to keep Virtanen is OK IMO as it was either that or the Hitman. His play has not hurt the Canucks. Benning wants vet structure to help the rookies and that is OK to. The players I would want gone are Higgins and Weber. Both these players might have Feb.29th value but will have to improve to make it that far. The question is whether to move them now and use those spots for Utica players to be rotated through. I would opt for waiving them out. Biega has outplayed Weber hands down. Trade deadline moves have all Canuck vets open to deals. Some require bigger returns than others which might make or break deals. Green has got the Utica ship moving again this year. There are half a dozen players there who need NHL experience. They do not have to be full time. Again this year I prefer Utica make the Calder Cup playoffs. The Canucks are not going anywhere, time better spent in Utica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 Waiving Higgins would have little effect on the team results. His replacement (Gaunce) is just starting to get his offensive game going and continues to work on improving the other parts of his game. Don't rush him. This team is far from being a contender. There will be many losses before they come anywhere close to being a contender. Have patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 2 hours ago, desiboynux4lifee******* said: he is ready for his shot, but will only get a chance due to injury, which is unfair just look at Beiga, we wouldn't of known how good Biega could be. Management needs to be more fair with the guys in the farm who are paying there dues for roster spots in the NHL. everyone knew how good Biega could be - he was - fairly - recalled last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokes Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I would waive no one right now just because of the fact the Canucks are dropping like flies right now. Injury after injury. There is too much bad luck going on to just go aroung and give players away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Canuck Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 10 minutes ago, smokes said: I would waive no one right now just because of the fact the Canucks are dropping like flies right now. Injury after injury. There is too much bad luck going on to just go aroung and give players away. buddy if you can give Higgins or Weber away , you give like Santa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.53 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 People immediately are bashing this thread for what? What has Higgins done this season that proves, or shows that he deserves a spot, let alone over other guys who have. The only argument I have against this is, I am not sold that Gaunce or Grenier being a consistent force night in, night out, for a lengthy regular season. That being said, Higgins has shown not to be a force this year either. It's not a ridiculous idea. To me it depends on whether we can get something for him. But Higgins is showing to be less and less valuable every game. His prowess is to be a relaible 200 foot player, who plays a solid all around game. He doesn't excel at anything, but he has no real holes and consistently gives solid effort and performs. Well this year, he has not been a reliable 200 foot player. He hasn't played that well defensively, although he hasn't been horrible. However his offensive production has also dropped to a comical low. Benning said that players on this team have to earn their spots. He doesn't care what their name is, how much the get paid, how old they are etc. You want a spot, you earn it. And Higgins has not done so this year if you ask me. Don't get me wrong, I'm for keeping him up or trading him, as I think he does still have value. But on the basis of what he desearves, well he doesn't desearve much at this point, and if Benning believes someone else in the organization can play his role better (I still say a healthy Kenins could be just that when he gets rolling) I would have no problem sending him down. Message to everyone in the organization. You earn what you get here. You earn your playtime, your role, your minutes per game, and if you get booted off the team to the minors, you earn that too. You want your spot back, fight for it and earn it. This is the pros, not house league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksrock!88 Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 I don't see the point in waiving Higgins no one will claim him, but put him in the press box for a few games maybe it will motivate him. frankly there's no one else ready to be called up and be a regular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Kneel Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 On 12/16/2015 at 7:51 PM, Kazmanian Devil said: Higgins is to offence what Weber is to defence not top 6 material..we've known that soooooooooooooooooooooo long now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocksterh8 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 8 hours ago, higgyfan said: Waiving Higgins would have little effect on the team results. His replacement (Gaunce) is just starting to get his offensive game going and continues to work on improving the other parts of his game. Don't rush him. This team is far from being a contender. There will be many losses before they come anywhere close to being a contender. Have patience. It's got nothing to do with winning, it's all about getting the young players that are ready to be in the NHL playing time. Even if Higgins and Weber are gone, there are still plenty of vet's left to mentor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 1 minute ago, Rocksterh8 said: It's got nothing to do with winning, it's all about getting the young players that are ready to be in the NHL playing time. Even if Higgins and Weber are gone, there are still plenty of vet's left to mentor. I know what you're saying, but there should be a rule: no using Weber and Higgins in the same sentence with mentor. We should toss the two because they are the opposite of...that word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakyWalton Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Agreed...he should be gone and dring up Gaunce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jovocop55 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 hope he and burrows are gone by the trading deadline.. burrows gone because nhl and refs will always have something against him and the canucks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Wish we could just buy him out. I don't want him down in Utica either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raph Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Even if one of our kids is a better option, it doesn't necessarily mean we should do it. Unless if the kid was a significantly better option, which is unlikely. We don't want to be an Edmonton type team where we throw the kids in on a trial by fire basis. If we can let them develop in the AHL, we should let them do that. Overloading our roster with kids when they are not ready is not good in the long run. And dumping Higgins mid-season will just put another black mark for the club. Try to trade him for a 6th rounder, or buy him out when the season is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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